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What if? An afterlife with an ultimatum
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Daniel9878 wrote:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


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ohhh its Jesus thats doing the judging now?

i thought it was a judge that judged his own creations
like " ohh i made this cake, time to judge it. You fail at making cake, ohh wait i made this cake "

but its the creation judging the creation " hahah he made me better than you "


but seriously, how stupid is the idea of the Judge and the creator being the same person
judging your own creation


You shouldn't compare Human beings with cakes. Those cake, after someone created them, they couldn't do anything nor improving themselves. God created humans, and humans could develop their way of thinking and choose the paths they desire. Whether a humans want to be a criminals or good persons, it's their choice, no one controlling them. Because they can develop and think obviously way better than cakes.

It just like farmer grow his field at their farm. The farmers created a yard of plants after a seasons and seasons the times farmers harvest them comes. After the farmers come to harvest his farm, there are plants that can be harvested perfectly BUT there are also plants who didn't grow perfectly as the farmer expected.
The farmer then choose his plants carefully, selecting which plants is more benefit for him. The perfect plants would stay by his side, and the failure plants would be burn because it didn't meet the farmer expectation.

That's also occur in human life, humans are free to choose, the bad way or good way. After the time comes, God will selecting the humans who did good thing in their life to stay by God's side and enjoyed their times, meanwhile the humans who failed to meet God expectation would be burn in hell.....





the thing is, 'god' has the power to create and destroy universes
he has the power to create good humans
where as the farmer doesn't have the power to create perfect crops

whats the meaningless point of purposely making failable humans
we have the possibility of failing
its not out of his control, he made us unstable

ok so lets say that i created a robot that could 'develop', and respond to stimulus.
and this robot becomes bad and decides to murder a few people

would the police prosecute me or the robot ????


Yes what you said is true about God has power to creates entirely good humans from the beginning and farmer's power who is unable to do that.The difference is Objectives. Farmer's objectives is to harvest his plants all good, while God. Creates humans a human who has free will to chose whether he wants to be a good or evil.

If the God creates human all good. Then, there's no purpose to obey him, follows his teaching(religion). Since we will be fine without God interfere human's life. Then if all humans are good, there's no purpose believing in him. Thus, there will be no religion and there will be no one needs God, since all humans are already good after all.

Referring to your question about Robot.
I think it would be robot's fault if the robot has will to decide whether he want to be a good robot or not.

Please take reference to The Matrix and I-Robots (Movies) or Time Eve (anime) about machines and robot's laws.


hmmm i have asked the 'robot' question to alot of people
everyone has a different answer, maybe it might even be the start of a new topic
it's realy interesting how the creators are treated in those movies
keep in mind that they are movies, and that people might feel differently in real life

in everyones eyes, they have a good reason in all thier actions
they dont see themselves as the 'bad guy'
in anyones eyes, they are allways right, even when they accept they were wrong, then they believe they are right that they were wrong

peoples perception of right and wrong, justice and injustice, moral and immoral, vary
so do thier perceptions on god
thats why there are loads of religions, because people have different views

in my eyes, none are right, cause they cant all be right
they have good points, its good that people follow the morals the religions teach
i find my morals in other things
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Yes what you said is true about God has power to creates entirely good humans from the beginning and farmer's power who is unable to do that.The difference is Objectives. Farmer's objectives is to harvest his plants all good, while God. Creates humans a human who has free will to chose whether he wants to be a good or evil.

If the God creates human all good. Then, there's no purpose to obey him, follows his teaching(religion). Since we will be fine without God interfere human's life. Then if all humans are good, there's no purpose believing in him. Thus, there will be no religion and there will be no one needs God, since all humans are already good after all.

Referring to your question about Robot.
I think it would be robot's fault if the robot has will to decide whether he want to be a good robot or not.

Please take reference to The Matrix and I-Robots (Movies) or Time Eve (anime) about machines and robot's laws.


hmmm i have asked the 'robot' question to alot of people
everyone has a different answer, maybe it might even be the start of a new topic
it's realy interesting how the creators are treated in those movies
keep in mind that they are movies, and that people might feel differently in real life

in everyones eyes, they have a good reason in all thier actions
they dont see themselves as the 'bad guy'
in anyones eyes, they are allways right, even when they accept they were wrong, then they believe they are right that they were wrong

peoples perception of right and wrong, justice and injustice, moral and immoral, vary
so do thier perceptions on god
thats why there are loads of religions, because people have different views

in my eyes, none are right, cause they cant all be right
they have good points, its good that people follow the morals the religions teach
i find my morals in other things


umm you were asking about "Robot" right?
Not about their creator which is human. Those movies showed us about how if Robot has feel and has free will to decide their life. Hence, it's Robot's fault for committing those mistake, not humans. (Referring to your question early)

Well, since we reached mature age. We can differ which one is bad and which one is good right?
Like taken someone's things is bad unless you bought it from them. Punching is bad, but patting their head is good.

Indeed, humans tend to not realize or ignoring their own bad act. But society does valuating individuals.
And majority's opinion are more objectives than one person. If most of them think it's bad, then it is really bad thing.
That's why we can't live alone. We need other people too.

In my eyes, many are absolutely wrong. But they could be corrected by laws of society also God's guidance too. if necessary, though.
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I think the more appropriate question is, what if it's not Jesus who welcomed you in the afterlife? What if it's Buddha, Odin, Osiris, Allah, Zeus or any of the many gods? How can you be sure that it's Jesus that will welcome you to heaven if each and every religion from the past till the present claims that their "god" is the one and true "god"?

Well if it's indeed that Jesus was the one who welcomed me, maybe we can spend the eternity talking to each other coz the world he and his father made is a big screw up.
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


Daniel9878 wrote:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


Daniel9878 wrote:

ohhh its Jesus thats doing the judging now?

i thought it was a judge that judged his own creations
like " ohh i made this cake, time to judge it. You fail at making cake, ohh wait i made this cake "

but its the creation judging the creation " hahah he made me better than you "


but seriously, how stupid is the idea of the Judge and the creator being the same person
judging your own creation


You shouldn't compare Human beings with cakes. Those cake, after someone created them, they couldn't do anything nor improving themselves. God created humans, and humans could develop their way of thinking and choose the paths they desire. Whether a humans want to be a criminals or good persons, it's their choice, no one controlling them. Because they can develop and think obviously way better than cakes.

It just like farmer grow his field at their farm. The farmers created a yard of plants after a seasons and seasons the times farmers harvest them comes. After the farmers come to harvest his farm, there are plants that can be harvested perfectly BUT there are also plants who didn't grow perfectly as the farmer expected.
The farmer then choose his plants carefully, selecting which plants is more benefit for him. The perfect plants would stay by his side, and the failure plants would be burn because it didn't meet the farmer expectation.

That's also occur in human life, humans are free to choose, the bad way or good way. After the time comes, God will selecting the humans who did good thing in their life to stay by God's side and enjoyed their times, meanwhile the humans who failed to meet God expectation would be burn in hell.....





the thing is, 'god' has the power to create and destroy universes
he has the power to create good humans
where as the farmer doesn't have the power to create perfect crops

whats the meaningless point of purposely making failable humans
we have the possibility of failing
its not out of his control, he made us unstable

ok so lets say that i created a robot that could 'develop', and respond to stimulus.
and this robot becomes bad and decides to murder a few people

would the police prosecute me or the robot ????


Yes what you said is true about God has power to creates entirely good humans from the beginning and farmer's power who is unable to do that.The difference is Objectives. Farmer's objectives is to harvest his plants all good, while God. Creates humans a human who has free will to chose whether he wants to be a good or evil.

If the God creates human all good. Then, there's no purpose to obey him, follows his teaching(religion). Since we will be fine without God interfere human's life. Then if all humans are good, there's no purpose believing in him. Thus, there will be no religion and there will be no one needs God, since all humans are already good after all.

Referring to your question about Robot.
I think it would be robot's fault if the robot has will to decide whether he want to be a good robot or not.

Please take reference to The Matrix and I-Robots (Movies) or Time Eve (anime) about machines and robot's laws.


Wow, I really like how you put this. A very insightful idea. It makes so much sense.
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If when I die, I find that there really is Heaven and Hell, and Jesus (or God) asks me if I have been a good Christian...He would never get an answer because I'd be so dumbstruck. But seriously, I don't believe that all that stuff exists. I also grew up in a Christian home, but I began questioning the truth in a religion that bases whether someone's soul should find happiness on whether that person attended church and read his/her Bible, etc. I personally don't know what will happen to my soul when my body dies, but I have confidence that my soul will be fine because I live life to the fullest and I do my best to take care of myself and others. If I do end up going to Hell for that, then so be it, I have been happy with myself.
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I can't imagine any decent God rejecting Gandhi and sending him to hell. He made all his own clothes!!!!! Jesus didn't even do that.
Posted 7/8/09 , edited 7/8/09

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I would be overjoyed that an angel has appeared before me.
Every day I wake, I think about my death and how that rly is the end of me.
That once I die everything disappears.
That I don't have a soul and that I am just a living thing.

To see an angel after passing away - would be the most poetic ending to my existense.

My opinion is, that there wouldn't be a question "Were you a good Christian." I think it would be - "Were you a good person."
Then again, I don't think you'd be asked something like that. I think the angel would be there to help you to the next step.

I know what you're saying though, what if they're right?
Well then my answer would be "I was a selfish one."
No point in lying to a spiritual being that most likely feels things like dishonesty.


I agree with his question being "Were you a good person?"
I think it would be totally unfair if only the Christians were sent to heaven and everyone else would burn in hell for not being one.
But then again, most religions says that "God is Merciful". What I wonder is 'Will your answer affect his decision?'


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Well, if by any chance there was a jesus or a god to judge me, then I'd be going to hell.
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I'm an apatheist. If I die and all this (previously thought to be) nonsense turned out to be true ... well that's just fine. I'll make it into that loving-one's Heaven. If not then that's just fine too, as I lived a good life.
Posted 7/15/09
I'd probably ask, "Well, I just lived an entire lifetime...why would I need another? So where's the nearest exit to complete and utter oblivion so that I can actually sleep in peace?"
Posted 7/23/09
As a human, I've tried to beleive. My mother's parents are from Texas and...yeah. They are VERY religous. She is too. They've raised me as a Roman Catholic and have attended private Catholic schools (2) since Kindergarden. I've pondered about if God exsists or not. I really don't care if he does or doesn't. All I want is some kind of proof that life can continue after death. My greatest fear is to cease to exsist. As we all know, this proof will never come. So, I don't know what to do. Either to beleive just to have my faith crushed in the end or, patiently wait until I am erased from any kind of life.
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Here is what I think.If Jesus comes and judges me.And if Im good enough to go to heaven,I will say "No,after all that happens to humanity and beyond.You think that cause you are Gods son and sacrificed yourself for our ancestors,excuse the crimes done?No it doesnt.And if I dont believe in your cause Im sent to hell?My friend,that is discrimination and against some of democracys basic principles.To not allow some of us in heaven cause us not believing in you even though we are good people is just sick.It is against freedom of expression and freedom of speech.You know why?Cause you let us have our fun but now we have to die and be sent to hell for being who we are?.Im sorry,but it is the truth.Sure,send me to hell,but know that you are condeming half of the world.Your actions will lead to nothing but Christians.How diverse of a culture....."

Thats what I would say.I believe that humans should be at peace with all the Gods.But the one in Christianity has to be set to trial for what he has done.God and the Devil are to blame for the worlds problem.We humans are responsible too.But thats why we got to stand up against what they have done.I dont mean to offend Christians,but look at God.....Is he the single ruler of this world?We never voted for him.So that would mean Heaven(Christianity's version of Heaven) is a monarchy.Will we surrender to a monarchy?I hope not.And the Devil must too be sent to trial for his crimes.

You wanna know why I dont want them died?Cause,they both need a fair trial by the UN.And it is in our constitution.But this isnt about just America,but about what the world has done for these 10,000 years.And how everyone must take responsibilty for their actions.

"No one,even God(s),is perfect."

In the end,I rather fight and dissappear into nothing then go to either.To free humanity.I may be self-righteous,but it what must be done for *true* freedom.
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