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The Earth is only 6,000 years old!
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'I still do not believe there are people out there that think earth is only 6,000 years old. '
Wen it is a fact there are religions and human civilizations that are over 9,000 years old.
We also Have evidence such as carbon dating. Yet I have met two people today who said they believe the world is 6,000 years old.

On top of that:
Republican Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen says: the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
Lucky for her there Is no IQ test needed to get in office. People like that make me feel like America is
doomed.


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This is somewhat offensive because you are branding people who believe in a young earth as ignorant, having a low IQ, and moronic. I personally believe the earth is only several thousand years old, not solely because I believe in the Biblical Creation story, but also because there is strong evidence supporting that the earth and universe are that old. Here are many scientific proofs that support a young earth/universe http://creation.com/young-age-of-the-earth-universe-qa This page contains many articles, many debunks for millions/billions of years old theories for creation, and it scientifically supports a young earth.
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Oh please.
The wise craft existed more than 10,000 years ago.
and It was practiced even among cave men.

Oh and what about dinosaurs? -.-'

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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.
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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


I didn't know you were a fundamentalist. Why is saying the world is just thousands of years old important to your salvation or morality? I don't think the stories in the Bible are supposed to be taken literally.
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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Even though there is scientific evidence against all dinosaurs being millions of years old, that still doesn't probe that they are less than 6,000 years old. The article (and all of creationism really) makes the incorrect assumption that since scientists were wrong then the Bible must be true, without providing evidence that it is true.

And while there are several possibilities as to why soft tissues were found in those fossils (either a) they are only a few thousand years old, b) soft-tissues can stay preserved for longer than we originally thought, or c) it was preserved in a certain way that prevented decomposing organisms from getting to it) the article simply accepts the one that fits with their goals and dismisses the other without any real reason, which, if I'm not mistaken, sounds pretty biased. It would be more accurate and credible if they didn't make assumptions like that.
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carbon dating is accurate up to 60,000 years so considering the enormous amount of organic material we have found dated that are far older than 6,000 years... i lol. also uranium-lead dating has dated plenty rocks that are millions and even billions of years old.

this is basic stuff in chemistry and geology. even my 14 year old cousin knows this stuff -_-
and as one guy said bible stories... don't take them literally. please.
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'I still do not believe there are people out there that think earth is only 6,000 years old. '
Wen it is a fact there are religions and human civilizations that are over 9,000 years old.
We also Have evidence such as carbon dating. Yet I have met two people today who said they believe the world is 6,000 years old.

On top of that:
Republican Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen says: the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
Lucky for her there Is no IQ test needed to get in office. People like that make me feel like America is
doomed.




Well, the term IQ stands for intelligence quotient. So, regardless of how bizarre this republican’s beliefs may be, they’re in no way related to the IQ. Intelligence concerns your capacity for problem solving. I know a guy, for example, who honestly believes blacks have hollow bones. Naturally this is absurd, how would their bodies produce blood cells? But, that’s a common myth in the panhandle of Texas. This red neck is my mechanic. He’s also a mathematical genius. He actually tested in the top 2% of the world. He’s even been invited to join Mensa though he actually asked me what Mensa was and that kind of shocked me.

Anyway, I’d say that this belief is certainly ignorant in that it doesn’t coincide with fact. Ignorance, of course, is defined as: the lack of knowledge or education. Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Yet, the fact that you lacked the knowledge that a mistaken belief does not relate to IQ is technically ignorance too. So, it is possible that in this case the republican was just misinformed, but as a whole isn't an ignorant person. I don't think you're ignorant.

As far as carbon dating goes, I think most of the people who believe the earth is only a few thousand years old don’t actually understand what carbon dating is. Some time back I had a discussion with a coworker convinced that you couldn’t prove anything. She said to me, “This is eight thousand years old? According to your carbon dating machine, but maybe carbon dating is wrong?” But, of course carbon dating uses the mathematically proven rate of atomic decomposition to measure the age of a given item. So, it’s mathematically flawless—it’s fact. After I explained this to my coworker she responded with a simple, “Oh.”

So, in other words, the reason they don’t accept the obvious proof of the earth’s age is because they don’t understand the validity of the evidence.
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Well, Earth sciences estimate the age of the Earth to be around 4.54 billion years( i.e. 4.54 × 10^9 )

While the biblical age of the Earth is 6000 years?

but wait..

According to Quran:
a day = 1000 years in human reckoning.
[22:47] Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning

Let's see
biblical age* (the average length of a year "days")* 1000 years * (the average length of a year in day"days")/(the average length of a year in day)
6000 * 365.2425 * 1000 * 365.2425 / 365.2425= 2 191 455 000 years

Huh, it's 2.19 billion years.

Well, Islam does not have a set position on the actual age of the Earth. However, it always directs to look around and contemplate, and so since God left it to us, we may success to know the truth but we may fail too, I may tend to adopt the view of science but I wouldn't take it as a fact either and It's really interesting to know but not a big deal. God knows best.

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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


I didn't know you were a fundamentalist. Why is saying the world is just thousands of years old important to your salvation or morality? I don't think the stories in the Bible are supposed to be taken literally.


I believe that the Bible is infallible and 100% true. Therefore I believe in the literal interpretation of the Creation account in Genesis. Because I believe the Bible is the Word's of God, the contents within are all true, accurate, and correct.


Even though there is scientific evidence against all dinosaurs being millions of years old, that still doesn't probe that they are less than 6,000 years old. The article (and all of creationism really) makes the incorrect assumption that since scientists were wrong then the Bible must be true, without providing evidence that it is true.

And while there are several possibilities as to why soft tissues were found in those fossils (either a) they are only a few thousand years old, b) soft-tissues can stay preserved for longer than we originally thought, or c) it was preserved in a certain way that prevented decomposing organisms from getting to it) the article simply accepts the one that fits with their goals and dismisses the other without any real reason, which, if I'm not mistaken, sounds pretty biased. It would be more accurate and credible if they didn't make assumptions like that.


I know just because evidence proves fossils aren't millions of years old doesn't mean it is 6,000 years old or that it corresponds with the Biblical record. However, upon further research we find that these things do correspond with the Biblical record. This doesn't prove it, but the correspondance means that the Bible accurate in the literal description of the Creation story and we can assume that the Bible is right from the information we find. And as to your conclusions, the article I posted shows how the soft tissue being present means that the fossil is only several thousand years old, tissue and blood cells cannot last more then several thousand years, and not nearly one million years. The problem being presented is that this is a T-Rex fossil that scientifically has to be several thousand years old and not the usual millions of years. The fossil was preserved in the usual fossilized way, it was a typical T-Rex fossil. The links I posted have a debate regarding this particular fossil (a scientific one, not religious) and the other link provides more detail about the discovery and what was discovered and how it is thousands of years old.


carbon dating is accurate up to 60,000 years so considering the enormous amount of organic material we have found dated that are far older than 6,000 years... i lol. also uranium-lead dating has dated plenty rocks that are millions and even billions of years old.

this is basic stuff in chemistry and geology. even my 14 year old cousin knows this stuff -_-
and as one guy said bible stories... don't take them literally. please.


Carbon dating is theorized to be accurate to between 50,000-60,000 years old. However, this fails to take into account atmospheric changes, the earths magnetic field, the CO2 in the atmosphere that largely decides how much 14C will be in an organism, and the global flood (Noah's Flood) that would have buried and forced carbon into everything on the earth under the flood waters and into the soil. Here is a scientific essay on Carbon dating and the anomalies and assumptions that are made http://creation.com/radiometric-dating-questions-and-answers. It's a PDF download and is the first link on the page. The page also discusses the errors and assumptions made by other dating methods as well. We understand how 14C works and about dating and the mathematics behind the decay and transfomation into nitrogen, but we make too many assumptions regarding what may cause higher carbon rates or more 14C in the atmosphere. The essay and the links explain it and also prove from scientific experiments done by evolutionary scientists how 14C radiometric dating isn't always accurate and varies.

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I didn't know the Koran said that. Actually the Bible says pretty much the same exact thing. 2Pe 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. So I guess it could be the same for the Biblical record, but I personally believe that the Creation account in Genesis is literal.
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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Btw, tissue can survive for million of years, if its preserved, scientists have found organisms preserved for millions of years, tissue and all.
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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Then why is evolution still a theory? It hasn't been proven, that's a lie. Genetic codes don't change as according to evolution, and if you read the topics on this site I posted you'll find how evolution is fundamentally flawed, wrong, and impossible. Nonetheless it proves how the earth and universe are not billions of years old. Evolution is paraded as fact because it's secular and adheres to a naturalistic philosophy. Through the study of trying to prove evolution we have found much about genetics which has helped science greatly, but that doesn't prove evolution to be true, especially when there are proofs and fundamental scientific laws that disprove it.

And tissue can't be preserved for millions of years. Especially not blood cells and blood vessels that still contain the blood.
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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Then why is evolution still a theory? It hasn't been proven, that's a lie. Genetic codes don't change as according to evolution, and if you read the topics on this site I posted you'll find how evolution is fundamentally flawed, wrong, and impossible. Nonetheless it proves how the earth and universe are not billions of years old. Evolution is paraded as fact because it's secular and adheres to a naturalistic philosophy. Through the study of trying to prove evolution we have found much about genetics which has helped science greatly, but that doesn't prove evolution to be true, especially when there are proofs and fundamental scientific laws that disprove it.


Evolution itself has been proven, countless times, Organisms gentic code changes, human evolution is where the misconception lies, since it is a new science it is not well understood. But evolution itself has been proven to exist many times. And yes organisms genetic code does change, that is what evolution is. For example, If you have 2 dogs, and they have puppies, and included with the puppies, is 2 runts, a male runt and a female runt, you sell off every other dog execpt the 2 runts, they grow up into adult dogs, you breed them, the puppies are going to be smaller the originals, again you take the 2 runts of the litter and breed them, the puppies of them will be smaller then their parents, that is evolution, it is done by changing the genetic code of the animals through the generations, that is the very definition of evolution. Evolution exists, it has been proven lots of times.
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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Then why is evolution still a theory? It hasn't been proven, that's a lie. Genetic codes don't change as according to evolution, and if you read the topics on this site I posted you'll find how evolution is fundamentally flawed, wrong, and impossible. Nonetheless it proves how the earth and universe are not billions of years old. Evolution is paraded as fact because it's secular and adheres to a naturalistic philosophy. Through the study of trying to prove evolution we have found much about genetics which has helped science greatly, but that doesn't prove evolution to be true, especially when there are proofs and fundamental scientific laws that disprove it.


Evolution itself has been proven, countless times, Organisms gentic code changes, human evolution is where the misconception lies, since it is a new science it is not well understood. But evolution itself has been proven to exist many times. And yes organisms genetic code does change, that is what evolution is. For example, If you have 2 dogs, and they have puppies, and included with the puppies, is 2 runts, a male runt and a female runt, you sell off every other dog execpt the 2 runts, they grow up into adult dogs, you breed them, the puppies are going to be smaller the originals, again you take the 2 runts of the litter and breed them, the puppies of them will be smaller then their parents, that is evolution, it is done by changing the genetic code of the animals through the generations, that is the very definition of evolution. Evolution exists, it has been proven lots of times.


It hasn't, again I state it hasn't been proven and still remains a theory. We don't know about common ancestors, we haven't witnessed a biological evolution. We have seen organisms change and vary within their kind, but they haven't changed species and evolved. breeding 2 runs means that you still have dog babies that are smaller due to heredity. If parent A and Parent B both have the gene that gives the trait of being a runt, then the offspring will have that trait. However, if the offspring mate with a dog that isn't a runt the offspring (based on dominance of the gene) will be runts or normal. I took a genetics course in university last semester. The genetic code didn't change, the chromosome amount didn't change, the dogs are still dogs and can mate with other dogs, they just have different genes then others, no two organisms (except for single cell and cloned) have the same genetic code. If what you are saying is evolution, then every organsim is its own species. What you are talking about is genetic heredity, not evolution.
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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Then why is evolution still a theory? It hasn't been proven, that's a lie. Genetic codes don't change as according to evolution, and if you read the topics on this site I posted you'll find how evolution is fundamentally flawed, wrong, and impossible. Nonetheless it proves how the earth and universe are not billions of years old. Evolution is paraded as fact because it's secular and adheres to a naturalistic philosophy. Through the study of trying to prove evolution we have found much about genetics which has helped science greatly, but that doesn't prove evolution to be true, especially when there are proofs and fundamental scientific laws that disprove it.


Evolution itself has been proven, countless times, Organisms gentic code changes, human evolution is where the misconception lies, since it is a new science it is not well understood. But evolution itself has been proven to exist many times. And yes organisms genetic code does change, that is what evolution is. For example, If you have 2 dogs, and they have puppies, and included with the puppies, is 2 runts, a male runt and a female runt, you sell off every other dog execpt the 2 runts, they grow up into adult dogs, you breed them, the puppies are going to be smaller the originals, again you take the 2 runts of the litter and breed them, the puppies of them will be smaller then their parents, that is evolution, it is done by changing the genetic code of the animals through the generations, that is the very definition of evolution. Evolution exists, it has been proven lots of times.


It hasn't, again I state it hasn't been proven and still remains a theory. We don't know about common ancestors, we haven't witnessed a biological evolution. We have seen organisms change and vary within their kind, but they haven't changed species and evolved. breeding 2 runs means that you still have dog babies that are smaller due to heredity. If parent A and Parent B both have the gene that gives the trait of being a runt, then the offspring will have that trait. However, if the offspring mate with a dog that isn't a runt the offspring (based on dominance of the gene) will be runts or normal. I took a genetics course in university last semester. What you are talking about is genetic heredity, not evolution.


Evolution has been proven, deny it alll you want, but it irrefutably exists. It has been proven, and it exists. We have witnessed biological evolution, in single celled creatures, thats one of the ways evolution was proven lol.
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