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What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Then why is evolution still a theory? It hasn't been proven, that's a lie. Genetic codes don't change as according to evolution, and if you read the topics on this site I posted you'll find how evolution is fundamentally flawed, wrong, and impossible. Nonetheless it proves how the earth and universe are not billions of years old. Evolution is paraded as fact because it's secular and adheres to a naturalistic philosophy. Through the study of trying to prove evolution we have found much about genetics which has helped science greatly, but that doesn't prove evolution to be true, especially when there are proofs and fundamental scientific laws that disprove it.


Evolution itself has been proven, countless times, Organisms gentic code changes, human evolution is where the misconception lies, since it is a new science it is not well understood. But evolution itself has been proven to exist many times. And yes organisms genetic code does change, that is what evolution is. For example, If you have 2 dogs, and they have puppies, and included with the puppies, is 2 runts, a male runt and a female runt, you sell off every other dog execpt the 2 runts, they grow up into adult dogs, you breed them, the puppies are going to be smaller the originals, again you take the 2 runts of the litter and breed them, the puppies of them will be smaller then their parents, that is evolution, it is done by changing the genetic code of the animals through the generations, that is the very definition of evolution. Evolution exists, it has been proven lots of times.


It hasn't, again I state it hasn't been proven and still remains a theory. We don't know about common ancestors, we haven't witnessed a biological evolution. We have seen organisms change and vary within their kind, but they haven't changed species and evolved. breeding 2 runs means that you still have dog babies that are smaller due to heredity. If parent A and Parent B both have the gene that gives the trait of being a runt, then the offspring will have that trait. However, if the offspring mate with a dog that isn't a runt the offspring (based on dominance of the gene) will be runts or normal. I took a genetics course in university last semester. What you are talking about is genetic heredity, not evolution.


Evolution has been proven, deny it alll you want, but it irrefutably exists. It has been proven, and it exists. We have witnessed biological evolution, in single celled creatures, thats one of the ways evolution was proven lol.


You are talking about genetic heredity which is fact. I edited my post above while you posted this one. And evolution is still a theory, it isn't law. We have seen single celled organism change, but this doesn't prove the evolutionary theory, it only shows how single celled organisms can borrow traits and vary. That isn't evolution, and it certainly didn't take millions of years like evolution states, more like 5 min.
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I hope I'm not flaming I try to respect others. If my language is offensive I'll change it, but I don't see how it is. But sorry if my debating seems disrespectful
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debating sometimes turn into arguing =T
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

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I hope I'm not flaming I try to respect others. If my language is offensive I'll change it, but I don't see how it is. But sorry if my debating seems disrespectful


oh your not but i love to watch you two debate all the time ^^ it's really fun for me to watch sorry >.< did not mean to offend ^^
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digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:

What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Then why is evolution still a theory? It hasn't been proven, that's a lie. Genetic codes don't change as according to evolution, and if you read the topics on this site I posted you'll find how evolution is fundamentally flawed, wrong, and impossible. Nonetheless it proves how the earth and universe are not billions of years old. Evolution is paraded as fact because it's secular and adheres to a naturalistic philosophy. Through the study of trying to prove evolution we have found much about genetics which has helped science greatly, but that doesn't prove evolution to be true, especially when there are proofs and fundamental scientific laws that disprove it.


Evolution itself has been proven, countless times, Organisms gentic code changes, human evolution is where the misconception lies, since it is a new science it is not well understood. But evolution itself has been proven to exist many times. And yes organisms genetic code does change, that is what evolution is. For example, If you have 2 dogs, and they have puppies, and included with the puppies, is 2 runts, a male runt and a female runt, you sell off every other dog execpt the 2 runts, they grow up into adult dogs, you breed them, the puppies are going to be smaller the originals, again you take the 2 runts of the litter and breed them, the puppies of them will be smaller then their parents, that is evolution, it is done by changing the genetic code of the animals through the generations, that is the very definition of evolution. Evolution exists, it has been proven lots of times.


It hasn't, again I state it hasn't been proven and still remains a theory. We don't know about common ancestors, we haven't witnessed a biological evolution. We have seen organisms change and vary within their kind, but they haven't changed species and evolved. breeding 2 runs means that you still have dog babies that are smaller due to heredity. If parent A and Parent B both have the gene that gives the trait of being a runt, then the offspring will have that trait. However, if the offspring mate with a dog that isn't a runt the offspring (based on dominance of the gene) will be runts or normal. I took a genetics course in university last semester. What you are talking about is genetic heredity, not evolution.


Evolution has been proven, deny it alll you want, but it irrefutably exists. It has been proven, and it exists. We have witnessed biological evolution, in single celled creatures, thats one of the ways evolution was proven lol.


You are talking about genetic heredity which is fact. I edited my post above while you posted this one. And evolution is still a theory, it isn't law. We have seen single celled organism change, but this doesn't prove the evolutionary theory, it only shows how single celled organisms can borrow traits and vary. That isn't evolution, and it certainly didn't take millions of years like evolution states, more like 5 min.


Only Mathmatical equashions become laws. In the science world Theories are at the top. A science theory is the the explaination for something that we know to be a fact. It not be called a Science theory if evidence was found that shows it to be wrong. No matter how small that evidence is. Being there is no such evidence Evolution is still known as both a fact and a science theory.



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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:

What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Then why is evolution still a theory? It hasn't been proven, that's a lie. Genetic codes don't change as according to evolution, and if you read the topics on this site I posted you'll find how evolution is fundamentally flawed, wrong, and impossible. Nonetheless it proves how the earth and universe are not billions of years old. Evolution is paraded as fact because it's secular and adheres to a naturalistic philosophy. Through the study of trying to prove evolution we have found much about genetics which has helped science greatly, but that doesn't prove evolution to be true, especially when there are proofs and fundamental scientific laws that disprove it.


Evolution itself has been proven, countless times, Organisms gentic code changes, human evolution is where the misconception lies, since it is a new science it is not well understood. But evolution itself has been proven to exist many times. And yes organisms genetic code does change, that is what evolution is. For example, If you have 2 dogs, and they have puppies, and included with the puppies, is 2 runts, a male runt and a female runt, you sell off every other dog execpt the 2 runts, they grow up into adult dogs, you breed them, the puppies are going to be smaller the originals, again you take the 2 runts of the litter and breed them, the puppies of them will be smaller then their parents, that is evolution, it is done by changing the genetic code of the animals through the generations, that is the very definition of evolution. Evolution exists, it has been proven lots of times.


It hasn't, again I state it hasn't been proven and still remains a theory. We don't know about common ancestors, we haven't witnessed a biological evolution. We have seen organisms change and vary within their kind, but they haven't changed species and evolved. breeding 2 runs means that you still have dog babies that are smaller due to heredity. If parent A and Parent B both have the gene that gives the trait of being a runt, then the offspring will have that trait. However, if the offspring mate with a dog that isn't a runt the offspring (based on dominance of the gene) will be runts or normal. I took a genetics course in university last semester. What you are talking about is genetic heredity, not evolution.


Evolution has been proven, deny it alll you want, but it irrefutably exists. It has been proven, and it exists. We have witnessed biological evolution, in single celled creatures, thats one of the ways evolution was proven lol.


You are talking about genetic heredity which is fact. I edited my post above while you posted this one. And evolution is still a theory, it isn't law. We have seen single celled organism change, but this doesn't prove the evolutionary theory, it only shows how single celled organisms can borrow traits and vary. That isn't evolution, and it certainly didn't take millions of years like evolution states, more like 5 min.


Only Mathmatical equashions become laws. In the science world Theories are at the top. A science theory is the the explaination for something that we know to be a fact. It not be called a Science theory if evidence was found that shows it to be wrong. No matter how small that evidence is. Being there is no such evidence Evolution is still known as both a fact and a science theory.





And the scientific Laws of Thermodynamics are not mathematical. The scientific theory goes from idea, hypothesis, theory, and scientific law. A scientific law is a theory that has been irrefutably proven to be true. A scientific Law governs the physical universe. Therefore, if evolution was proven it would be called the law of evolution, because all organisms are bound by the law of evolution and evolve. However, this isn't true, and at the same time two theories can exist to explain the same thing. A theory isn't proven true and is a tested hypothesis with some supportive evidence that may still be refuted. There are different theories that try to explain how the first cell formed and lived, there are theories within evolution as to how organisms changed, there are theories about things in the evolutionary theory (as a broad general term) and none has been proven. Intelligent Design is also a scientific theory, there is evidence that supports that the universe was created, it also obeys the laws of thermodynamics. The problem with science is that it always wants a naturalists explanation to everything, when naturalism is a flawed and false philosophy. If they can't prove it naturally or empirically they dismiss it because that means something beyond science has acted upon the universe (or it's creation). Besides, governments are mainly secular and like the idea of a secular explanation (or model) for the existence of life, this explanation is evolution. Evolution neither adheres to nor openly rejects/contradicts any religion (some may argue), and they feel it isn't offensive because it's secular. To find the truth and say that truth is the Biblical Creation story would be offensive to non-Christians, and therefore scientists reject the Biblical Creation story and Christian Apologetics and Prophecies that have been fulfilled because they don't want to say Christianity is correct. And somewhat rightly so, science is about finding the truth objectively and shouldn't come from a pre-believed premise. However, because truth is an absolute science will find it, and that truth is in the Bible, which is rejected due to secular nature.

@Cecil, you didn't offend, I was just wondering if I was going overboard XD



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We've gone over this several times in other forum topics. Your "creationism" or.. "intelligent design" are in no way intelligent. Everything that ID and creationism stands for is falsehood in hopes of trying to debunk evolution. There has been NO proven facts and or tests proving that ID or creationism is real. It's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo created to act against the evolution theory debunking the bible. Honestly, get over thinking that the world is 6,000 years old as there is tons more proof in the world that it's way older than that. Just because you give one site talking about the subject doesn't mean you're right while the other side has common sense and the backings of hundreds of other articles. Really now, get over it.
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We've gone over this several times in other forum topics. Your "creationism" or.. "intelligent design" are in no way intelligent. Everything that ID and creationism stands for is falsehood in hopes of trying to debunk evolution. There has been NO proven facts and or tests proving that ID or creationism is real. It's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo created to act against the evolution theory debunking the bible. Honestly, get over thinking that the world is 6,000 years old as there is tons more proof in the world that it's way older than that. Just because you give one site talking about the subject doesn't mean you're right while the other side has common sense and the backings of hundreds of other articles. Really now, get over it.


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We've gone over this several times in other forum topics. Your "creationism" or.. "intelligent design" are in no way intelligent. Everything that ID and creationism stands for is falsehood in hopes of trying to debunk evolution. There has been NO proven facts and or tests proving that ID or creationism is real. It's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo created to act against the evolution theory debunking the bible. Honestly, get over thinking that the world is 6,000 years old as there is tons more proof in the world that it's way older than that. Just because you give one site talking about the subject doesn't mean you're right while the other side has common sense and the backings of hundreds of other articles. Really now, get over it.


The first and second law of thermodynamics maybe? Those alone prove that the universe was created. There are many facts that support Intelligent Design. You are right in that just because evolution is false and because there is evidence against it doesn't prove Intelligent Design, but regardless there are independent proofs that support it. Intelligent Design isn't proven by the fact that evolution is wrong, it is proven because the creation demands a creator and naturalism is wrong. And the world very may well be 6,000 years old, not just because the Bible supports it, but because scientists do too and there is proof for it. The links I posted contain some. you are right about just because I found a link doesn't mean it's proven, what is right is the information on the link that proves how the earth may be roughly 6,000 years old. The place isn't a blog or a site, it's an internaitonal scientific community that studies Biblical Creationism. It isn't by one scientists, but rather is a very large organization of scientists who argue for the Biblical Creation theory, and their science proves it and at the same time debunks evolution. Besides, quantity doesn't mean it's proof, it could be propaganda. Many times in the past the majority of scientists supported something for selfish reasons or because of fear of rejection, and yet they were proven false (like with spontaneous generation). If you control the grants, you largely control the science. If the governments wants info proving evolution to support a secular agenda, they pay scientists to find what they want to hear. Did you know that Evolutionists lose more debates that Creationists do? http://www.icr.org/article/811/
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digs wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:

What is the "wise craft"? And dinosaurs aren't millions of years old, in fact just thousands. This is proven by the fact that scientists have found bone marrow, red blood cells, and tissue from dinosaurs that couldn't have lasted millions or even several tens of thousands of years. http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue-and-proteineven-more-confirmation http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur. I think evolution is naturalist propaganda that is fed by secular political correctness. There is proof against an old universe/earth and there are impossibilities for it being millions/billions of years old. It's fact that the earth is about 6,000 years old. People just choose to believe it because it goes against naturalism and is consistent with Biblical Creationism.


Evolution has been proven to exist countless times by scientists, all evolution is, is the change to the genetic code of an organism, selective breeding is evolution, by breeding out traits through generations, changes the genetic code of the animal, thus it is evolution, an organism adapting to a new enviroment is evolution, for the same reason, as it adapts, it's genetic code changes, bacteria becoming drug resistant is evolution, again same reason, so evolution exists, this already been proven countless times. Organisms evolve, how humans evolved is not completely known, but there is tons of evidence to support it, added with the fact that evolution irrefutably exists, dictates humans evolved. It is not known the history of how we evolved, nor is the path we took completely know or understood, although it is becoming more and more understood and known, with all the new evidence being discovered. So as time goes on, human evolution, will become more and more complete and understood.


Then why is evolution still a theory? It hasn't been proven, that's a lie. Genetic codes don't change as according to evolution, and if you read the topics on this site I posted you'll find how evolution is fundamentally flawed, wrong, and impossible. Nonetheless it proves how the earth and universe are not billions of years old. Evolution is paraded as fact because it's secular and adheres to a naturalistic philosophy. Through the study of trying to prove evolution we have found much about genetics which has helped science greatly, but that doesn't prove evolution to be true, especially when there are proofs and fundamental scientific laws that disprove it.


Evolution itself has been proven, countless times, Organisms gentic code changes, human evolution is where the misconception lies, since it is a new science it is not well understood. But evolution itself has been proven to exist many times. And yes organisms genetic code does change, that is what evolution is. For example, If you have 2 dogs, and they have puppies, and included with the puppies, is 2 runts, a male runt and a female runt, you sell off every other dog execpt the 2 runts, they grow up into adult dogs, you breed them, the puppies are going to be smaller the originals, again you take the 2 runts of the litter and breed them, the puppies of them will be smaller then their parents, that is evolution, it is done by changing the genetic code of the animals through the generations, that is the very definition of evolution. Evolution exists, it has been proven lots of times.


It hasn't, again I state it hasn't been proven and still remains a theory. We don't know about common ancestors, we haven't witnessed a biological evolution. We have seen organisms change and vary within their kind, but they haven't changed species and evolved. breeding 2 runs means that you still have dog babies that are smaller due to heredity. If parent A and Parent B both have the gene that gives the trait of being a runt, then the offspring will have that trait. However, if the offspring mate with a dog that isn't a runt the offspring (based on dominance of the gene) will be runts or normal. I took a genetics course in university last semester. What you are talking about is genetic heredity, not evolution.


Evolution has been proven, deny it alll you want, but it irrefutably exists. It has been proven, and it exists. We have witnessed biological evolution, in single celled creatures, thats one of the ways evolution was proven lol.


You are talking about genetic heredity which is fact. I edited my post above while you posted this one. And evolution is still a theory, it isn't law. We have seen single celled organism change, but this doesn't prove the evolutionary theory, it only shows how single celled organisms can borrow traits and vary. That isn't evolution, and it certainly didn't take millions of years like evolution states, more like 5 min.


Only Mathmatical equashions become laws. In the science world Theories are at the top. A science theory is the the explaination for something that we know to be a fact. It not be called a Science theory if evidence was found that shows it to be wrong. No matter how small that evidence is. Being there is no such evidence Evolution is still known as both a fact and a science theory.





And the scientific Laws of Thermodynamics are not mathematical. The scientific theory goes from idea, hypothesis, theory, and scientific law. A scientific law is a theory that has been irrefutably proven to be true. A scientific Law governs the physical universe. Therefore, if evolution was proven it would be called the law of evolution, because all organisms are bound by the law of evolution and evolve. However, this isn't true, and at the same time two theories can exist to explain the same thing. A theory isn't proven true and is a tested hypothesis with some supportive evidence that may still be refuted. There are different theories that try to explain how the first cell formed and lived, there are theories within evolution as to how organisms changed, there are theories about things in the evolutionary theory (as a broad general term) and none has been proven. Intelligent Design is also a scientific theory, there is evidence that supports that the universe was created, it also obeys the laws of thermodynamics. The problem with science is that it always wants a naturalists explanation to everything, when naturalism is a flawed and false philosophy. If they can't prove it naturally or empirically they dismiss it because that means something beyond science has acted upon the universe (or it's creation). Besides, governments are mainly secular and like the idea of a secular explanation (or model) for the existence of life, this explanation is evolution. Evolution neither adheres to nor openly rejects/contradicts any religion (some may argue), and they feel it isn't offensive because it's secular. To find the truth and say that truth is the Biblical Creation story would be offensive to non-Christians, and therefore scientists reject the Biblical Creation story and Christian Apologetics and Prophecies that have been fulfilled because they don't want to say Christianity is correct. And somewhat rightly so, science is about finding the truth objectively and shouldn't come from a pre-believed premise. However, because truth is an absolute science will find it, and that truth is in the Bible, which is rejected due to secular nature.

@Cecil, you didn't offend, I was just wondering if I was going overboard XD





A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them. One way to tell a law and a theory apart is to ask if the description gives you a means to explain 'why'.

Example: Consider Newton's Law of Gravity. Newton could use this law to predict the behavior of a dropped object, but he couldn't explain why it happened.

Theory are explanations for things that are known at this time to be facts for no evidence has been found to disprove them, once that happens there no longer Theories anymore.
Being that Evolution is still a science thoery, tells you there has yet to be anyone that has found evidence that it is wrong.

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We've gone over this several times in other forum topics. Your "creationism" or.. "intelligent design" are in no way intelligent. Everything that ID and creationism stands for is falsehood in hopes of trying to debunk evolution. There has been NO proven facts and or tests proving that ID or creationism is real. It's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo created to act against the evolution theory debunking the bible. Honestly, get over thinking that the world is 6,000 years old as there is tons more proof in the world that it's way older than that. Just because you give one site talking about the subject doesn't mean you're right while the other side has common sense and the backings of hundreds of other articles. Really now, get over it.


The first and second law of thermodynamics maybe? Those alone prove that the universe was created. There are many facts that support Intelligent Design. You are right in that just because evolution is false and because there is evidence against it doesn't prove Intelligent Design, but regardless there are independent proofs that support it. Intelligent Design isn't proven by the fact that evolution is wrong, it is proven because the creation demands a creator and naturalism is wrong. And the world very may well be 6,000 years old, not just because the Bible supports it, but because scientists do too and there is proof for it. The links I posted contain some. you are right about just because I found a link doesn't mean it's proven, what is right is the information on the link that proves how the earth may be roughly 6,000 years old. The place isn't a blog or a site, it's an internaitonal scientific community that studies Biblical Creationism. It isn't by one scientists, but rather is a very large organization of scientists who argue for the Biblical Creation theory, and their science proves it and at the same time debunks evolution. Besides, quantity doesn't mean it's proof, it could be propaganda. Many times in the past the majority of scientists supported something for selfish reasons or because of fear of rejection, and yet they were proven false (like with spontaneous generation). If you control the grants, you largely control the science. If the governments wants info proving evolution to support a secular agenda, they pay scientists to find what they want to hear. Did you know that Evolutionists lose more debates that Creationists do? http://www.icr.org/article/811/


I really still don't get how you found any "facts" on ID. All of the statements I read from your past posts were just observations or educated guesses. Quit saying facts, because they aren't facts at all. I honestly don't understand how you can call it science when the lead man behind ID is not even a scientist?... Their "science" has not, and will not debunk anything about evolution until they prove their theories with real science. There has not ever been any proof behind what ever your ID and Creationism scientists have stated. Propaganda works with everything, and I don't believe the media, nor do i believe what others tell me. I believe what I read, what makes the most intelligent sense in my eyes, and what has the most proof behind it. And quite honestly, if you think that the government only promotes evolution you're just playing victim. Sure it's opinion somewhat, but if you really think about it and look into the real facts. It's no wonder evolution has been the theory to outlast all and will until somehow it gets disproved. Every community has their good and bad sides, but evolution and the scientific community backing it have proven it to be the most logical.
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You are talking about genetic heredity which is fact. I edited my post above while you posted this one. And evolution is still a theory, it isn't law. We have seen single celled organism change, but this doesn't prove the evolutionary theory, it only shows how single celled organisms can borrow traits and vary. That isn't evolution, and it certainly didn't take millions of years like evolution states, more like 5 min.


Evolution = change to the genetic code of an organism(or a population of them) from one generation to the next.

It doesn't have to be millions of years of changes, evolution can occur within the offspring of one generation. By definition heredity, which you said is fact is technically evolution. Selective breeding is man made evolution. Mutations can cause evolution. Evolution is fact. It has been proven to exist. When bacteria change their genetic code from one generation to the next, for example, in response(adapting to) to a harsh environment, that is evolution. When a bacteria species become drug resistant, that is evolution. So yes it is evolution.
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I didn't know the Koran said that. Actually the Bible says pretty much the same exact thing. 2Pe 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. So I guess it could be the same for the Biblical record, but I personally believe that the Creation account in Genesis is literal.


Honestly, I thought I heard about that, but since I couldn't find the verse, I thought I was wrong. And no surprise about that .

Well, actually, prophet Muhammad's companions had divergent views in the interpretation of this verse, Is it applied to six days of creation or not?

Whatever, I also do believe that God created the heavens and the earth in six days[10:3], How much each day actually? I don't know and I don't think I need to know to believe Becuase I also believe that nothing is a matter of time to God when He intends anything.

[36:82]His command, when He intends anything, is only to say to it: Be, so it is.


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digs wrote:

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I didn't know the Koran said that. Actually the Bible says pretty much the same exact thing. 2Pe 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. So I guess it could be the same for the Biblical record, but I personally believe that the Creation account in Genesis is literal.


Honestly, I thought I heard about that, but since I couldn't find the verse, I thought I was wrong. And no surprise about that .

Well, actually, prophet Muhammad's companions had divergent views in the interpretation of this verse, Is it applied to six days of creation or not?

Whatever, I also do believe that God created the heavens and the earth in six days[10:3], How much each day actually? I don't know and I don't think I need to know to believe Becuase I also believe that nothing is a matter of time to God when He intends anything.

[36:82]His command, when He intends anything, is only to say to it: Be, so it is.


God knows best.











The Qur'an was written about 650 years after the last books of the Bible were compiled. This is the reason for some of the apparently similar, do to the fact a lot was copied but don't feel Bad the bible did the same using other religouns as well. (fact.)



explain 250 million years ago and Pangaea?

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