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The Earth is only 6,000 years old!
Posted 7/11/09
The world is probably 4.2 - 4.6 billion years old. Religion or no religion.
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easy way to find an answer build a time machine. go back several billion years if you find dinosuars or god you'll have your answer.
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Okay, then what about ancient egypt?...there are proofs that they existed more than 30,000 years old...so how can the earth be only 6,000 years old ha? and the wise craft is Witchcraft, or paganism..or which ever you chose to take..


I'm pretty sure ancient Egypt isn't that old. As far as I know, it is dated to be about 6-7000 years old.

No its not...do some research, and there are things even far more ancient than that...


I did do research, and found stuff that I already knew, like the fact that the earliest known civilization (which came long before Egypt) is dated to be around 10,000 years old. If you know of any sources that claim that ancient Egypt is 30,000 years old, I'd like to see them.
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Posted 7/12/09
Dinosaurs Fossils has proven that this is not true. nuff said?
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I never said a theory was a lie, but a theory isn't proven fact. Laws are based on theories, but they are no longer theories because they have been proven true. All I am saying is evolution isn't proven fact, the fine details within the theory haven't been proven either, we don't understand ambiogensisis, which is the basis for evolution and finding an understanding of how things got here. Just because something is a theory doesn't make it true, many theories in the past have been debunked and proven false.


How can scientific laws be facts if they are based on theories, which aren't facts? And why does abiogenesis have to be the start of evolution? There's nothing about evolution that says the first cell(s) weren't created.


And the soft tissues fossilized, regardless, it was rare to find soft tissue that old and even evolutionists are angry because there isn't any way it could have survived for over 60 million years. I am not too sure either, but what I do know is that with this distinct fossil they found heme (the protein). The protein would have naturally denatured well before 60 million years could pass, meaning that it must have been much much younger. The other issue is that the soft tissue wasn't fossilized. If you want, here is what the evolutionary scientists explained about this phenomenon, there is also a rebuttal of it too. http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur


I still don't see how this proves that every single fossil ever discovered is only a few thousand years old. Wouldn't there be a lot more with soft tissues if that were the case? I only keep hearing about this single T-rex bone.


I found an article that talks about it and it cites a source, but the source is a book and not online http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/science/SC0104W1E.htmThe article (not the posted one) does state though that even a national organization that is the mouthpiece against creationism advises scientists not to debate with creation scientists. It also shows that many well respected evolutionary scientists refuse to debate with creationists. Here is an article talking somewhat about the debates of evolution, but more importantly the academic monopoly to prevent the theory from being debated http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v12i10f.htm


It seems odd that the only time I hear evolution referred to as a fact is when creationists say it is not a fact. I was never taught that it was infallible, unquestionable fact, every non-creationist article that I've read about evolution never claimed it was a fact. I've always been taught that it is a theory, one that has a decent amount of evidence but is still subject to be changed or removed if enough evidence appears to refute it completely. I don't get where creationists get this idea that kids are being brainwashed into believing in evolution, not including the "extreme" evolutionists who think it should be indoctrinated.

And I still haven't seen anything that shows that creationism is a science that tries to find evidence for creation, rather than evidence against evolution. It seems like both sides are just pointing fingers at each other and saying "they're wrong."


And new strains of the same pathogen are caused when they take traits from other pathogens, that is what happened with the black plague, an experiment was also done ont hat to find if DNA or proteins was genetic material back in the 1900's. That isn't evolution and it isn't the same kind of evolution scientist say all living organisms went through to become what they are.


Evolution is the changes in the genome of a population over time. If a pathogen becomes immune to a medicine that killed off the rest of it's species and reproduces, the new population will be essentially the same but have that immunity as well. That means that the genome of the population changed and has evolved. A new species does not have to be created in order for evolution to occur.


I've been wondering, what does creationism say about the remains of other human species that have been discovered?


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Okay, then what about ancient egypt?...there are proofs that they existed more than 30,000 years old...so how can the earth be only 6,000 years old ha? and the wise craft is Witchcraft, or paganism..or which ever you chose to take..


I'm pretty sure ancient Egypt isn't that old. As far as I know, it is dated to be about 6-7000 years old.
The Dogon religion is about 9000 to 10,000 years old.

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The Dogon religion is about 9000 to 10,000 years old.


It's more of an ethnicity than a religion. Any sources? Google just shows stuff about tourist attractions there.
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The wonderful Ted Haggard explains the mentality of fundamentalists here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibl2A3Ai7o


And for fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA

lol hypocrite of the century
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Darkphoenix3450
The Dogon religion is about 9000 to 10,000 years old.


It's more of an ethnicity than a religion. Any sources? Google just shows stuff about tourist attractions there.
Last time I looked up the dogon religion was about 4 years ago. But what the hell, I do a search for you...

Ok... lets see what I have found.

' Dogon religion oldest "known" mythology in the world.
http://dickinsg.intrasun.tcnj.edu/diaspora/dogon.html
http://www.everyculture.com/Africa-Middle-East/Dogon-Religion-and-Expressive-Culture.html
http://thenummo.com/thetruth.html
http://thenummo.com/themasterofspeech.html
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Posted 7/13/09
I love how the religious devote their lives on what is written on a book. Lovely. Btw, the world is just 6,000 years old?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Is that a joke?!
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I love how the religious devote their lives on what is written on a book. Lovely. Btw, the world is just 6,000 years old?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Is that a joke?!


nope there are people that really belive that
Posted 7/13/09
Someone seriously said this world is only 6000 years old!? Wow, What has society come to?
Also, lol at your over 9000 reference.
Posted 7/14/09

marumo-kun wrote:

Someone seriously said this world is only 6000 years old!? Wow, What has society come to?
Also, lol at your over 9000 reference.


well people do have the right to believe what they want, no matter how inane or silly it sounds =T
Posted 7/14/09

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marumo-kun wrote:

Someone seriously said this world is only 6000 years old!? Wow, What has society come to?
Also, lol at your over 9000 reference.


well people do have the right to believe what they want, no matter how inane or silly it sounds =T


True, Just such a notion almost disturbs me.
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True, Just such a notion almost disturbs me.


me too but that's why i ignore it & make fun of it (well sort of)~
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I never said a theory was a lie, but a theory isn't proven fact. Laws are based on theories, but they are no longer theories because they have been proven true. All I am saying is evolution isn't proven fact, the fine details within the theory haven't been proven either, we don't understand ambiogensisis, which is the basis for evolution and finding an understanding of how things got here. Just because something is a theory doesn't make it true, many theories in the past have been debunked and proven false.

And the soft tissues fossilized, regardless, it was rare to find soft tissue that old and even evolutionists are angry because there isn't any way it could have survived for over 60 million years. I am not too sure either, but what I do know is that with this distinct fossil they found heme (the protein). The protein would have naturally denatured well before 60 million years could pass, meaning that it must have been much much younger. The other issue is that the soft tissue wasn't fossilized. If you want, here is what the evolutionary scientists explained about this phenomenon, there is also a rebuttal of it too. http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur

I found an article that talks about it and it cites a source, but the source is a book and not online http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/science/SC0104W1E.htmThe article (not the posted one) does state though that even a national organization that is the mouthpiece against creationism advises scientists not to debate with creation scientists. It also shows that many well respected evolutionary scientists refuse to debate with creationists. Here is an article talking somewhat about the debates of evolution, but more importantly the academic monopoly to prevent the theory from being debated http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v12i10f.htm

And new strains of the same pathogen are caused when they take traits from other pathogens, that is what happened with the black plague, an experiment was also done ont hat to find if DNA or proteins was genetic material back in the 1900's. That isn't evolution and it isn't the same kind of evolution scientist say all living organisms went through to become what they are.


so are you saying the bible is also a theory? maybe not a lie but not a proven fact either. Much of the bible cant be conclusively proven especially the how humanity will end. sure you can quote somethings that have happened that fits in but the same can be said of Nostradamus.

personally i think the real reason people atempt to defend their religion against something like this is because if it turns out to be true and that religion was wrong than that religion in its entirety would be compromised. i think of religion merely as a way to keep the hordes of animals known as humans in line. A very clever and effective method i must say. All personal belief yes, proof of it not so much, but it seems to all fit. oh hey! this is what you're doing...

face it if the bible had said that evolution was real then we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we...
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