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The Earth is only 6,000 years old!
Posted 7/14/09 , edited 7/14/09
Yeah, I think I'll save my self a long winded conversation on how IGNORANT it is to believe in a book that provides ZERO evidence in such claims by sharing this with you guys:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

Just because somebody says it's true doesn't mean it really must be. The scientific community is constantly trying to disprove all that is under scrutiny in order to find the one truth for whatever it may be; Even if the one truth is found it may later be disproved...the bible doesn't provide this kind of flexibility which is why it is full of nonsense.

And yes, organisms have been known to be coaxed into activity after being in stasis for millions of years.
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Yeah, I think I'll save my self a long winded conversation on how IGNORANT it is to believe in a book that provides ZERO evidence in such claims by sharing this with you guys:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

Just because somebody says it's true doesn't mean it really must be. The scientific community is constantly trying to disprove all that is under scrutiny in order to find the one truth for whatever it may be; Even if the one truth is found it may later be disproved...the bible doesn't provide this kind of flexibility which is why it is full of nonsense.

And yes, organisms have been known to be coaxed into activity after being in stasis for millions of years.


exactly thank you i agree
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For me i think the age of earth is 4.5,000,000,000 yrs old ^_-
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i think theres no answer for that know bcause the scientist still didn't know what cause and why the universe exist ! you know !-!
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i think theres no answer for that know bcause the scientist still didn't know what cause and why the universe exist ! you know !-!


Or why it could not have always been? who said the Universe needed a beginning.

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I never said a theory was a lie, but a theory isn't proven fact. Laws are based on theories, but they are no longer theories because they have been proven true. All I am saying is evolution isn't proven fact, the fine details within the theory haven't been proven either, we don't understand ambiogensisis, which is the basis for evolution and finding an understanding of how things got here. Just because something is a theory doesn't make it true, many theories in the past have been debunked and proven false.

And the soft tissues fossilized, regardless, it was rare to find soft tissue that old and even evolutionists are angry because there isn't any way it could have survived for over 60 million years. I am not too sure either, but what I do know is that with this distinct fossil they found heme (the protein). The protein would have naturally denatured well before 60 million years could pass, meaning that it must have been much much younger. The other issue is that the soft tissue wasn't fossilized. If you want, here is what the evolutionary scientists explained about this phenomenon, there is also a rebuttal of it too. http://creation.com/squirming-at-the-squishosaur

I found an article that talks about it and it cites a source, but the source is a book and not online http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/science/SC0104W1E.htmThe article (not the posted one) does state though that even a national organization that is the mouthpiece against creationism advises scientists not to debate with creation scientists. It also shows that many well respected evolutionary scientists refuse to debate with creationists. Here is an article talking somewhat about the debates of evolution, but more importantly the academic monopoly to prevent the theory from being debated http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/v12i10f.htm

And new strains of the same pathogen are caused when they take traits from other pathogens, that is what happened with the black plague, an experiment was also done ont hat to find if DNA or proteins was genetic material back in the 1900's. That isn't evolution and it isn't the same kind of evolution scientist say all living organisms went through to become what they are.


so are you saying the bible is also a theory? maybe not a lie but not a proven fact either. Much of the bible cant be conclusively proven especially the how humanity will end. sure you can quote somethings that have happened that fits in but the same can be said of Nostradamus.

personally i think the real reason people atempt to defend their religion against something like this is because if it turns out to be true and that religion was wrong than that religion in its entirety would be compromised. i think of religion merely as a way to keep the hordes of animals known as humans in line. A very clever and effective method i must say. All personal belief yes, proof of it not so much, but it seems to all fit. oh hey! this is what you're doing...

face it if the bible had said that evolution was real then we wouldn't be having this discussion now would we...

I am not saying the Bible is a theory, I am saying it is true and if scientifically speaking, it would be law. People should question the Bible and find truth, but when we really question and really seek truth with all our prejudiced and preconceived ideas and beliefs aside, we will find that the Bible is true, not just through seeking it but through critical thinking as well.

The Bible does have prophecies, but unlike Nostradamus all the prophecies in the Bible came true, and the ones given weren't vague and were extremely literal. Every prophecy given in the Old Testament came to pass. The exile into Babylon, the Hebrews leaving Egypt, the division of the Kingdoms. God warned of these things and foretold these things and they happened, we have historical proof that backs it up as well. The prophecies of the New Testament are mainly about the end times, and if you read Revelation you will see that all things things are playing out. It gives a lot of imagery though, but still much is literal. The prophecies of Jesus have also come true to the very word. Jesus said the Temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed around 30 A.D. The Roman Empire came in and destroyed the temple in around 70 A.D. Many of the people who heard that prophecy were still alive and watched it happen. Even in this instance another prophecy given about the destruction of Israel came true. Mic 3:12 Therefore because of you, Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble, the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets. Literally, in 135 A.D. the Roman Empire took a plow and plowed over the Temple Area that had been destroyed, not only that but the minted a coin in honor of plowing over the Temple and setting up the city of Aelia Capitolina on the very spot that Jerusalem was. There are many many prophecies and blessing recorded in the Bible that have come true to the very word. Even to the very literal words. When God speaks thing happen.

Many religions do intend to keep humans in line, many are used to make people allegiant to their government. Many are created to rationalize bad behavior, and many and most are created to give mankind a false sense of knowing God. Christianity isn't a "religion." It's about a relationship with God and showing how we can do that. It gives guidelines for our lives, but there aren't mystic rituals we have to preform to know God, there aren't appeasements to God we have to make, and it's not a hit or miss thing either. Meaning if we do a ritual maybe God will care or hear us. It's about a relationship with God the Creator who wants a relationship with us.

And if the Bible said evolution was real, I bed many scientists would make up a whole new theory just to combat the Word of God. Human nature despises the truth because it's uncomfortible in the flesh to believe it and many just don't want to believe it. It's human nature to oppose the Holy Spirit, and I bet if evolution were recorded in the Bible scientists would call it absurd and make new theories to explain how the Bible is wrong and "science" is right.
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I love how the religious devote their lives on what is written on a book. Lovely. Btw, the world is just 6,000 years old?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Is that a joke?!


nope there are people that really belive that


Oh, I thought it was a joke.

Why would the Earth be 6,000 years old if artifacts from ancient civilizations were much older? Never mind, at least I've prepared myself not to laugh at someone believing in it.
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I am not saying the Bible is a theory, I am saying it is true and if scientifically speaking, it would be law. People should question the Bible and find truth, but when we really question and really seek truth with all our prejudiced and preconceived ideas and beliefs aside, we will find that the Bible is true, not just through seeking it but through critical thinking as well.

The Bible does have prophecies, but unlike Nostradamus all the prophecies in the Bible came true, and the ones given weren't vague and were extremely literal. Every prophecy given in the Old Testament came to pass. The exile into Babylon, the Hebrews leaving Egypt, the division of the Kingdoms. God warned of these things and foretold these things and they happened, we have historical proof that backs it up as well. The prophecies of the New Testament are mainly about the end times, and if you read Revelation you will see that all things things are playing out. It gives a lot of imagery though, but still much is literal. The prophecies of Jesus have also come true to the very word. Jesus said the Temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed around 30 A.D. The Roman Empire came in and destroyed the temple in around 70 A.D. Many of the people who heard that prophecy were still alive and watched it happen. Even in this instance another prophecy given about the destruction of Israel came true. Mic 3:12 Therefore because of you, Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble, the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets. Literally, in 135 A.D. the Roman Empire took a plow and plowed over the Temple Area that had been destroyed, not only that but the minted a coin in honor of plowing over the Temple and setting up the city of Aelia Capitolina on the very spot that Jerusalem was. There are many many prophecies and blessing recorded in the Bible that have come true to the very word. Even to the very literal words. When God speaks thing happen.

Many religions do intend to keep humans in line, many are used to make people allegiant to their government. Many are created to rationalize bad behavior, and many and most are created to give mankind a false sense of knowing God. Christianity isn't a "religion." It's about a relationship with God and showing how we can do that. It gives guidelines for our lives, but there aren't mystic rituals we have to preform to know God, there aren't appeasements to God we have to make, and it's not a hit or miss thing either. Meaning if we do a ritual maybe God will care or hear us. It's about a relationship with God the Creator who wants a relationship with us.

And if the Bible said evolution was real, I bed many scientists would make up a whole new theory just to combat the Word of God. Human nature despises the truth because it's uncomfortible in the flesh to believe it and many just don't want to believe it. It's human nature to oppose the Holy Spirit, and I bet if evolution were recorded in the Bible scientists would call it absurd and make new theories to explain how the Bible is wrong and "science" is right
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it seemes u don't even know the meaning of the word truth

truth-
1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.
2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
4. the state or character of being true.
5. actuality or actual existence.
6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
8. (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience: the basic truths of life.
9. agreement with a standard or original.
10. accuracy, as of position or adjustment.
11. Archaic. fidelity or constancy.
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i fail to see how the bible is "verified" or a "indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like" etc.

for all we know the bible could have been altered to include these prophecies... if i remember correctly the bible was made sometime after the time of christ so his teaches were preserved by word of mouth and i dont know bout u but i learned early on that words are awefully flexible until written

christianity is a religion as much as u would like to argue, simply because you follow your respective god/ teachings just like Islam, Hinduism, etc. if you dont follow those teaches more often than not you go to a bad place or if you do follow then you are rewarded (i dont speak for all religions just some of the big ones). The "relationship with God" is part of the religion called christianity. Terrorists seem to think something good happens when they go blow themselves up. I digress though christianity has shown to help people find purpose in life, to better themselves and find peace. As i said earlier religion is a clever and effective method...

your right humans do like to agrue the truth, but this is what makes science so great. i think another person wrote something to the effect of that because the bible is so inflexible compared to science that its so full of nonesense. simply accepting the truth with no solid evidence is the same as a lie
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I am not saying the Bible is a theory, I am saying it is true and if scientifically speaking, it would be law. People should question the Bible and find truth, but when we really question and really seek truth with all our prejudiced and preconceived ideas and beliefs aside, we will find that the Bible is true, not just through seeking it but through critical thinking as well.

The Bible does have prophecies, but unlike Nostradamus all the prophecies in the Bible came true, and the ones given weren't vague and were extremely literal. Every prophecy given in the Old Testament came to pass. The exile into Babylon, the Hebrews leaving Egypt, the division of the Kingdoms. God warned of these things and foretold these things and they happened, we have historical proof that backs it up as well. The prophecies of the New Testament are mainly about the end times, and if you read Revelation you will see that all things things are playing out. It gives a lot of imagery though, but still much is literal. The prophecies of Jesus have also come true to the very word. Jesus said the Temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed around 30 A.D. The Roman Empire came in and destroyed the temple in around 70 A.D. Many of the people who heard that prophecy were still alive and watched it happen. Even in this instance another prophecy given about the destruction of Israel came true. Mic 3:12 Therefore because of you, Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble, the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets. Literally, in 135 A.D. the Roman Empire took a plow and plowed over the Temple Area that had been destroyed, not only that but the minted a coin in honor of plowing over the Temple and setting up the city of Aelia Capitolina on the very spot that Jerusalem was. There are many many prophecies and blessing recorded in the Bible that have come true to the very word. Even to the very literal words. When God speaks thing happen.

Many religions do intend to keep humans in line, many are used to make people allegiant to their government. Many are created to rationalize bad behavior, and many and most are created to give mankind a false sense of knowing God. Christianity isn't a "religion." It's about a relationship with God and showing how we can do that. It gives guidelines for our lives, but there aren't mystic rituals we have to preform to know God, there aren't appeasements to God we have to make, and it's not a hit or miss thing either. Meaning if we do a ritual maybe God will care or hear us. It's about a relationship with God the Creator who wants a relationship with us.

And if the Bible said evolution was real, I bed many scientists would make up a whole new theory just to combat the Word of God. Human nature despises the truth because it's uncomfortible in the flesh to believe it and many just don't want to believe it. It's human nature to oppose the Holy Spirit, and I bet if evolution were recorded in the Bible scientists would call it absurd and make new theories to explain how the Bible is wrong and "science" is right
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it seemes u don't even know the meaning of the word truth

truth-
1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth.
2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
4. the state or character of being true.
5. actuality or actual existence.
6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
8. (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience: the basic truths of life.
9. agreement with a standard or original.
10. accuracy, as of position or adjustment.
11. Archaic. fidelity or constancy.
-dictionary.com

i fail to see how the bible is "verified" or a "indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like" etc.

for all we know the bible could have been altered to include these prophecies... if i remember correctly the bible was made sometime after the time of christ so his teaches were preserved by word of mouth and i dont know bout u but i learned early on that words are awefully flexible until written

christianity is a religion as much as u would like to argue, simply because you follow your respective god/ teachings just like Islam, Hinduism, etc. if you dont follow those teaches more often than not you go to a bad place or if you do follow then you are rewarded (i dont speak for all religions just some of the big ones). The "relationship with God" is part of the religion called christianity. Terrorists seem to think something good happens when they go blow themselves up. I digress though christianity has shown to help people find purpose in life, to better themselves and find peace. As i said earlier religion is a clever and effective method...

your right humans do like to agrue the truth, but this is what makes science so great. i think another person wrote something to the effect of that because the bible is so inflexible compared to science that its so full of nonesense. simply accepting the truth with no solid evidence is the same as a lie


The Bible is verified and fact but people don't accept that because of our human nature. We tend to formulate our own beliefs around what we want to hear. The Bible is historically accurate and contains the mind of God, it's an unrecognized fact.

And the prophecies weren't added, the Bible was completed about a hundred years after Jesus died. But many of the books in the Bible are several thousand years old. The prophets who prophecies wrote and spoke their prophecies before those things happened. The Books of the Bible all have different dates in which they were written, some about 2 thousand years ago and others are far longer back. We know that the Bible we have today has not been altered, and we can prove it through the hundreds and sometimes thousands of ancient copies of the Biblical texts. We have the original works to reference to, so people can't just add and take away from the Bible when we have what was originally written and in hundreds of copies of what was originally written.

And Christianity is a religion, but unlike others it is about a relationship with God and not about rituals. I say Christianity isn't a religion in the sense that it is unique and doesn't teach us to keep rituals to appease God, or to do good in order to earn forgiveness. It teaches to do good to love God and that forgiveness is free to those who repent in Jesus Name. Although several Christian groups have turned it into rituals and made rituals of repentance and other things (like the Catholic Church has).

And your last paragraph is very wise. We should question things and truly find the truth. But what I believe and base my beliefs on is that the Bible is fact. Because I believe the Bible is the Word of God I base my philosophies and my life after what is written in it. This being said, I do not believe in evolution for two reasons. I believe in the Biblical account for creation, and I also recognize the false science and the holes in the evolutionary theory that make it impossible to be true. There is scientific evidence that points to a roughly 6,000 year old earth, and there is strong evidence that life was created. Now just because the creation demands a creator doesn't mean that the Biblical account is true by scientific means, but the discoveries and proofs we have found are very precise with what the Bible says about creation and mankind.
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maybe 6000 bible years represent 6 billions of years in reality? Wouldn't be that far of those almost 5 billions of years, no?

good thing, issue solved, now lets move on.
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I love how the religious devote their lives on what is written on a book. Lovely. Btw, the world is just 6,000 years old?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Is that a joke?!


nope there are people that really belive that


Oh, I thought it was a joke.

Why would the Earth be 6,000 years old if artifacts from ancient civilizations were much older? Never mind, at least I've prepared myself not to laugh at someone believing in it.


Ask Digs he has it in his head that the earth is 6000 year old, and what ever is in the bible is 100% fact. No stories in there.



Now for a song




Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
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If the bible is fact, then how come none of the historians that lived around the time of Jesus didn't think to document his life?

Such historians lived in the area and around the time of Jesus:

Lucius Iunius Moderatus Columella
Julius Florus
Silius Italicus
And many more did not document his life. (research it)

Why not?

Because he didn't exist.

Jesus was the solar deity of the Gnostic Christian Sect and all facts point to the name of Christ as being an actual title that means "The Anointed." It was the political establishment that sought to historize this mythical pagan figure to gain social control over the masses. Although the actual bible its self (in its earliest form) does hold some truth in the way that originally it was nothing more than an astrological literary hybrid.

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I'm not trying to debunk religion but rather I'm trying to prove that much of what is taught is a means for enslaving you to a system that is meant to dictate what they want you to do. Many political systems over the centuries have falsified much of what's in the bible in order to gain full control over you.

If you truly believe in your religion then try to find what is real and see past what has been made into prefabricated lies designed for enslaving the masses.
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The Bible is verified and fact but people don't accept that because of our human nature. We tend to formulate our own beliefs around what we want to hear. The Bible is historically accurate and contains the mind of God, it's an unrecognized fact.

And the prophecies weren't added, the Bible was completed about a hundred years after Jesus died. But many of the books in the Bible are several thousand years old. The prophets who prophecies wrote and spoke their prophecies before those things happened. The Books of the Bible all have different dates in which they were written, some about 2 thousand years ago and others are far longer back. We know that the Bible we have today has not been altered, and we can prove it through the hundreds and sometimes thousands of ancient copies of the Biblical texts. We have the original works to reference to, so people can't just add and take away from the Bible when we have what was originally written and in hundreds of copies of what was originally written.

And Christianity is a religion, but unlike others it is about a relationship with God and not about rituals. I say Christianity isn't a religion in the sense that it is unique and doesn't teach us to keep rituals to appease God, or to do good in order to earn forgiveness. It teaches to do good to love God and that forgiveness is free to those who repent in Jesus Name. Although several Christian groups have turned it into rituals and made rituals of repentance and other things (like the Catholic Church has).

And your last paragraph is very wise. We should question things and truly find the truth. But what I believe and base my beliefs on is that the Bible is fact. Because I believe the Bible is the Word of God I base my philosophies and my life after what is written in it. This being said, I do not believe in evolution for two reasons. I believe in the Biblical account for creation, and I also recognize the false science and the holes in the evolutionary theory that make it impossible to be true. There is scientific evidence that points to a roughly 6,000 year old earth, and there is strong evidence that life was created. Now just because the creation demands a creator doesn't mean that the Biblical account is true by scientific means, but the discoveries and proofs we have found are very precise with what the Bible says about creation and mankind.


verified how exactly? u seem to neglect the fact there is not solid evidence. what... somethings have happen and suddenly it all must b correct?

how do u know u have the original? how do u know that there werent more copies that held a different version and were erased? as the religion says humans are imperfect... thus u cant trust humans. if a group were adamant enough they could do it. this of course is just my view nothing more.

see now your mincing words first u say it isnt a religion now ur saying it is? thats the chief failing of christianity blindly follow god and you will b saved.... id like to do that myself. sounds kinda selfish to me. god making man simply to follow him unconditionally isnt appealing to me. besides half the bibical characters r plagiarized... want proof?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

good its nice to see we r on the same page for once... my beliefs r based on that which can b proven not something that u need to blindly follow. No one makes me do this, no one requires anything but the pursuit of truth. in other words i want choice.... u might b right when u say there r holes, however, every new day brings up new dicoveries. one day i hope to see the theory of evolution become law, but i fear it wont b in my lifetime. wat evidence? link me buddy i care to view this evidence myself. the simple fact that we share 96% of our genome with chimps is proof enough for evolution. y does there need to b a creator? y cant our extistance b a result of the universe? my opinion... cuz if our existance isnt substantiated with a creator and a purpose then whats the point of living? curse of being sentient i say
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0831_050831_chimp_genes.html
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I'm a strong advocate of Zeitgeist and find the words spoken within the film to be most revealing. But not without first doing your own research to ensure what is being said has been throughly scrutinized. Such as the part where it says that the only known person to have documented Jesus's existence was the apologist (a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc) Flavius Josephus(aka Yosef Ben Matityahu).

"Josephus was an important apologist in the Roman world for the Jewish people and culture, particularly at a time of conflict and tension. He always remained, in his own eyes, a loyal and law-observant Jew. He went out of his way both to commend Judaism to educated Gentiles, and to insist on its compatibility with cultured Graeco-Roman thought. He constantly contended for the antiquity of Jewish culture, presenting its people as civilised, devout and philosophical. Eusebius reports that a statue of Josephus was erected in Rome."

During the time of Rome it was well known that Cesar took advantage of the people by turning the democratic society that had been forged into a dictatorship by means of altering the peoples beliefs in religion. Only by doing so was he able to forcibly move the people of Rome into war. This is the earliest and strongest form of using religion to move people for ones own political gain and it is proven method that has been used over and over again by many high end powers throughout the world -The US uses it to this day...

Josephus played a strong part in establishing this highly tuned and secretive method of dictatorship by falsifying the existence of Jesus.
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the geologist has proof that the world exist billions of years using carbon dating.Even some scientist use ice as evidence that the global warming happened 10,000 years ago
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