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[Have you not read what I posted before? Gandhi did good things, he helped the people of India, but he still refused to repent of sin. He still refused to worship false gods, and he chose to bear his sin and to take his own punishment for them. He did read the Bible, and if Gandhi is going to be set as a moral standard in this discussion then maybe we should hear about what his personal views of Jesus were]


translation: Gandhi deserve eternal damnation because he refused to submitted to the celestial dictatorship described in the bible even though he liberated India from the U.K

[There is no get out free card, because those who abuse forgiveness aren't forgiven. Many will think they are because they believe the right stuff, but God forgives a heart of repentance, and repentance is real, not fake. We are personally responsible for our actions and we are judged for our choices. The forgiveness of Christ cannot be abused, it isn't a free "heaven ticket" in the sense that you can repent but not change your heart or your actions. That isn't repentance,]


it is a get out free card according to christianity especially the right wing evangelaicals doing good workd like liberating India from the U.K and improving humanity will not get you into heaven only accepting the immoral notion of scapegoating which is believe that jesus died for your sins is the only way and if you believe in personal responsiblity you contradict youself by believeing that a man died for your sins over 2000 years ago our criminal justice system don't tolerate this kind of scapegoating you do the crime you pay the consequences
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[Have you not read what I posted before? Gandhi did good things, he helped the people of India, but he still refused to repent of sin. He still refused to worship false gods, and he chose to bear his sin and to take his own punishment for them. He did read the Bible, and if Gandhi is going to be set as a moral standard in this discussion then maybe we should hear about what his personal views of Jesus were]


translation: Gandhi deserve eternal damnation because he refused to submitted to the celestial dictatorship described in the bible even though he liberated India from the U.K

[There is no get out free card, because those who abuse forgiveness aren't forgiven. Many will think they are because they believe the right stuff, but God forgives a heart of repentance, and repentance is real, not fake. We are personally responsible for our actions and we are judged for our choices. The forgiveness of Christ cannot be abused, it isn't a free "heaven ticket" in the sense that you can repent but not change your heart or your actions. That isn't repentance,]


it is a get out free card according to christianity especially the right wing evangelaicals doing good workd like liberating India from the U.K and improving humanity will not get you into heaven only accepting the immoral notion of scapegoating which is believe that jesus died for your sins is the only way and if you believe in personal responsiblity you contradict youself by believeing that a man died for your sins over 2000 years ago our criminal justice system don't tolerate this kind of scapegoating you do the crime you pay the consequences


No, we all deserve eternal damnation because we have all sinned. It's not about appeasing an angry dictator who maybe will let us into heaven if we slouch enough, it's about removing our sins. God wants us in heaven, it's us keeping us out, not Him. He amply provided for everyone to enter in, all we have to do is repent and be forgiven. God judges the events and deeds of our lives, but again, what sends us to hell is our sins, and the only way to get rid of them is to have them forgiven by Jesus. Only He can forgive because only He has atoned and paid for all sins and has Authority to forgive them. Nothing but Love
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[No, we all deserve eternal damnation because we have all sinned. ]

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes." Gene Roddenberry


and what sin we commited in order to deserve eternal damnation? why kand bible god use is powers to fix what he screwed up?


[It's not about appeasing an angry dictator who maybe will let us into heaven if we slouch enough, it's about removing our sins. God wants us in heaven, it's us keeping us out, not Him. He amply provided for everyone to enter in, all we have to do is repent and be forgiven. God judges the events and deeds of our lives, but again, what sends us to hell is our sins, and the only way to get rid of them is to have them forgiven by Jesus. Only He can forgive because only He has atoned and paid for all sins and has Authority to forgive them. Nothing but Love]


This is about apeasing a insecure dictator who created us faulty and expect us to pay for his incompetence and get rid of personal responsibility by scapegoating an innocent man.
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No one is truly brainwashed into Christianity because we all have the same free will. And even the "brainwashed" may still not be Christian if they don't repent of their sins. Many believe in Jesus, but they don't repent. Many who think they are saved aren't, because they aren't living it and just "believing all the right things." Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mat 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

And those who haven't heard about Christianity still have the conviction of the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit works in the hearts of everyone to move them to repentance and seek the truth in Christ. God displays his power through creation, and everyone has that. God judges the heart.


The point is people raised in very conservative Christian families are more likely to become true Christians than people raised in conservative Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or anything other than Christian families, right? So it's not fair. God would have to be crazy to expect everyone to be able to convert to Christianity.

What happens to non-Christian kids?
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i wonder who reported my post to the moderators
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Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

No one is truly brainwashed into Christianity because we all have the same free will. And even the "brainwashed" may still not be Christian if they don't repent of their sins. Many believe in Jesus, but they don't repent. Many who think they are saved aren't, because they aren't living it and just "believing all the right things." Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mat 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

And those who haven't heard about Christianity still have the conviction of the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit works in the hearts of everyone to move them to repentance and seek the truth in Christ. God displays his power through creation, and everyone has that. God judges the heart.


The point is people raised in very conservative Christian families are more likely to become true Christians than people raised in conservative Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or anything other than Christian families, right? So it's not fair. God would have to be crazy to expect everyone to be able to convert to Christianity.

What happens to non-Christian kids?


This is true, but why is that not fair? It's still bent on their choice. Many conservative Christians turn out to be "good ol' boys." Basically church goers who drink, sex it up, etc... You can be raised with a strong understanding, but in the end it's still someone's decision. It's fair for everyone, because we all have the same nature and we all have to make the same choice. God doesn't "expect" us to because He gives us the choice to turn and love Him. He hopes that we do and it's His desire that all may be saved, but He doesn't force it upon people.

And what do you mean by what happens to non-Christian kids? Like if they die? Or you mean people not raised in a Christian home?

@Shinto- even though we're debating I promise it wasn't me who reported your post.
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digs wrote:


Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

No one is truly brainwashed into Christianity because we all have the same free will. And even the "brainwashed" may still not be Christian if they don't repent of their sins. Many believe in Jesus, but they don't repent. Many who think they are saved aren't, because they aren't living it and just "believing all the right things." Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mat 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

And those who haven't heard about Christianity still have the conviction of the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit works in the hearts of everyone to move them to repentance and seek the truth in Christ. God displays his power through creation, and everyone has that. God judges the heart.


The point is people raised in very conservative Christian families are more likely to become true Christians than people raised in conservative Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or anything other than Christian families, right? So it's not fair. God would have to be crazy to expect everyone to be able to convert to Christianity.

What happens to non-Christian kids?


This is true, but why is that not fair? It's still bent on their choice. Many conservative Christians turn out to be "good ol' boys." Basically church goers who drink, sex it up, etc... You can be raised with a strong understanding, but in the end it's still someone's decision. It's fair for everyone, because we all have the same nature and we all have to make the same choice. God doesn't "expect" us to because He gives us the choice to turn and love Him. He hopes that we do and it's His desire that all may be saved, but He doesn't force it upon people.

And what do you mean by what happens to non-Christian kids? Like if they die? Or you mean people not raised in a Christian home?

@Shinto- even though we're debating I promise it wasn't me who reported your post.


Yeah, but there are some people who will never hear of christanity in their entire life, usually because they live somewhere isolated, like in a forest in the amazon, those people will never hear of christanity in their entire life, because they can't, they have no computers, no radios, no electricity, none of that, so they are unable to hear of christanity through no fault of their own, what happens to them ? Do they go to hell because of something they have absolutely no control over ? They can't be "Saved" because its impossible for them to be saved, they have no means of communication to any place where christanity is. So do they still go to hell ?
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Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

No one is truly brainwashed into Christianity because we all have the same free will. And even the "brainwashed" may still not be Christian if they don't repent of their sins. Many believe in Jesus, but they don't repent. Many who think they are saved aren't, because they aren't living it and just "believing all the right things." Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mat 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

And those who haven't heard about Christianity still have the conviction of the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit works in the hearts of everyone to move them to repentance and seek the truth in Christ. God displays his power through creation, and everyone has that. God judges the heart.


The point is people raised in very conservative Christian families are more likely to become true Christians than people raised in conservative Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or anything other than Christian families, right? So it's not fair. God would have to be crazy to expect everyone to be able to convert to Christianity.

What happens to non-Christian kids?


This is true, but why is that not fair? It's still bent on their choice. Many conservative Christians turn out to be "good ol' boys." Basically church goers who drink, sex it up, etc... You can be raised with a strong understanding, but in the end it's still someone's decision. It's fair for everyone, because we all have the same nature and we all have to make the same choice. God doesn't "expect" us to because He gives us the choice to turn and love Him. He hopes that we do and it's His desire that all may be saved, but He doesn't force it upon people.

And what do you mean by what happens to non-Christian kids? Like if they die? Or you mean people not raised in a Christian home?

@Shinto- even though we're debating I promise it wasn't me who reported your post.


Yeah, but there are some people who will never hear of christanity in their entire life, usually because they live somewhere isolated, like in a forest in the amazon, those people will never hear of christanity in their entire life, because they can't, they have no computers, no radios, no electricity, none of that, so they are unable to hear of christanity through no fault of their own, what happens to them ? Do they go to hell because of something they have absolutely no control over ? They can't be "Saved" because its impossible for them to be saved, they have no means of communication to any place where christanity is. So do they still go to hell ?


I have already addressed that. They still have the Holy Spirit that convicts them and tries to help guide them to the Truth, they also have the creation (everyone has that). God judges the hearts, if those people came to the understanding that their tribal gods were fake and wanted to know the Truth God would provide someone to teach that to them. In fact, God says the end of the world and the tribulation shall not come until the Gospel has been preached to all nations. God looks at the heart, here is a link that may help. http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html Here is another you might want to read http://www.web-church.com/articles-christian/never-heard-jesus.htm
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digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

No one is truly brainwashed into Christianity because we all have the same free will. And even the "brainwashed" may still not be Christian if they don't repent of their sins. Many believe in Jesus, but they don't repent. Many who think they are saved aren't, because they aren't living it and just "believing all the right things." Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mat 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

And those who haven't heard about Christianity still have the conviction of the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit works in the hearts of everyone to move them to repentance and seek the truth in Christ. God displays his power through creation, and everyone has that. God judges the heart.


The point is people raised in very conservative Christian families are more likely to become true Christians than people raised in conservative Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or anything other than Christian families, right? So it's not fair. God would have to be crazy to expect everyone to be able to convert to Christianity.

What happens to non-Christian kids?


This is true, but why is that not fair? It's still bent on their choice. Many conservative Christians turn out to be "good ol' boys." Basically church goers who drink, sex it up, etc... You can be raised with a strong understanding, but in the end it's still someone's decision. It's fair for everyone, because we all have the same nature and we all have to make the same choice. God doesn't "expect" us to because He gives us the choice to turn and love Him. He hopes that we do and it's His desire that all may be saved, but He doesn't force it upon people.

And what do you mean by what happens to non-Christian kids? Like if they die? Or you mean people not raised in a Christian home?

@Shinto- even though we're debating I promise it wasn't me who reported your post.


Yeah, but there are some people who will never hear of christanity in their entire life, usually because they live somewhere isolated, like in a forest in the amazon, those people will never hear of christanity in their entire life, because they can't, they have no computers, no radios, no electricity, none of that, so they are unable to hear of christanity through no fault of their own, what happens to them ? Do they go to hell because of something they have absolutely no control over ? They can't be "Saved" because its impossible for them to be saved, they have no means of communication to any place where christanity is. So do they still go to hell ?


I have already addressed that. They still have the Holy Spirit that convicts them and tries to help guide them to the Truth, they also have the creation (everyone has that). God judges the hearts, if those people came to the understanding that their tribal gods were fake and wanted to know the Truth God would provide someone to teach that to them. In fact, God says the end of the world and the tribulation shall not come until the Gospel has been preached to all nations. God looks at the heart, here is a link that may help. http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html Here is another you might want to read http://www.web-church.com/articles-christian/never-heard-jesus.htm


the Holy Spirit another thing that has no evidence for it. Do you base any of your Ideals off from evidence? Or Is everything your about is nothing but Blind uneducated Faith?
I love how there are religions older than what you think earth is, and yet out of all those 5,000,000 religions that have been out there your religion is right and all there religions are just tickits to hell. 'Hate to tell you this but your chances of picking the right religion is next to 0.002% after you add in all the religions and sub,branches to them religions. At everyone from every religion believe there right so without evidence your no more right than they are. So If there is a God, Gods and Goddesses, or Whatever, I be seeing you in one of there hells... Lucky for me most of the older religions did not use that fear tactic known as Hell. So atleast Older religions was not trying to use fear to force there ideals on people.
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i wonder who reported my post to the moderators


Absolutely nothing wrong with your post, its a discussion...i believe in free speech...maybe someone who strongly disagree with you..
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

No one is truly brainwashed into Christianity because we all have the same free will. And even the "brainwashed" may still not be Christian if they don't repent of their sins. Many believe in Jesus, but they don't repent. Many who think they are saved aren't, because they aren't living it and just "believing all the right things." Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mat 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

And those who haven't heard about Christianity still have the conviction of the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit works in the hearts of everyone to move them to repentance and seek the truth in Christ. God displays his power through creation, and everyone has that. God judges the heart.


The point is people raised in very conservative Christian families are more likely to become true Christians than people raised in conservative Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or anything other than Christian families, right? So it's not fair. God would have to be crazy to expect everyone to be able to convert to Christianity.

What happens to non-Christian kids?


This is true, but why is that not fair? It's still bent on their choice. Many conservative Christians turn out to be "good ol' boys." Basically church goers who drink, sex it up, etc... You can be raised with a strong understanding, but in the end it's still someone's decision. It's fair for everyone, because we all have the same nature and we all have to make the same choice. God doesn't "expect" us to because He gives us the choice to turn and love Him. He hopes that we do and it's His desire that all may be saved, but He doesn't force it upon people.

And what do you mean by what happens to non-Christian kids? Like if they die? Or you mean people not raised in a Christian home?

@Shinto- even though we're debating I promise it wasn't me who reported your post.


Yeah, but there are some people who will never hear of christanity in their entire life, usually because they live somewhere isolated, like in a forest in the amazon, those people will never hear of christanity in their entire life, because they can't, they have no computers, no radios, no electricity, none of that, so they are unable to hear of christanity through no fault of their own, what happens to them ? Do they go to hell because of something they have absolutely no control over ? They can't be "Saved" because its impossible for them to be saved, they have no means of communication to any place where christanity is. So do they still go to hell ?


I have already addressed that. They still have the Holy Spirit that convicts them and tries to help guide them to the Truth, they also have the creation (everyone has that). God judges the hearts, if those people came to the understanding that their tribal gods were fake and wanted to know the Truth God would provide someone to teach that to them. In fact, God says the end of the world and the tribulation shall not come until the Gospel has been preached to all nations. God looks at the heart, here is a link that may help. http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html Here is another you might want to read http://www.web-church.com/articles-christian/never-heard-jesus.htm


the Holy Spirit another thing that has no evidence for it. Do you base any of your Ideals off from evidence? Or Is everything your about is nothing but Blind uneducated Faith?
I love how there are religions older than what you think earth is, and yet out of all those 5,000,000 religions that have been out there your religion is right and all there religions are just tickits to hell. 'Hate to tell you this but your chances of picking the right religion is next to 0.002% after you add in all the religions and sub,branches to them religions. At everyone from every religion believe there right so without evidence your no more right than they are. So If there is a God, Gods and Goddesses, or Whatever, I be seeing you in one of there hells... Lucky for me most of the older religions did not use that fear tactic known as Hell. So atleast Older religions was not trying to use fear to force there ideals on people.


I have proof of the Holy Spirit. In my life God's Spirit has spoken to me. He made two promises to me that are coming true. I have seen people healed miraculously by the power of God's Spirit, I have been given prophetic words and words given to others that have come true. All of the Biblical prophecies have come true, and the conviction we all feel is the conviction of the Holy Spirit. It is very real. It may not have a substance but it is real, or rather He is real.

And religion isn't like a roulette with luck. Truth can be found, and the truth is in Jesus. If we seek truth and seek God with all of our harts and listen and heed the call of the Holy Spirit, we will find truth in Christ. Many have done that already.
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screw christianity. When I was a child in the early 60's all these baptist missionaries came to our Indian Reservation on Lake Okeechobee Florida. They tried to tell us all our customs were wrong. Our language was wrong. We looked wrong - we needed to look more white to be loved by their God. We dressed wrong. We ate and sept wrong. Even our clan beliefs were wrong. BUT... they could not keep their hands out of the native children's pants. I will not tell of my experience with them. Let's just say I hate Christians and their hypocritical beliefs. All the men are perverts.
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By the way we believe in the Breath-Giver. We have believed in this Great Spirit since he created us here in America over 50 thousand years ago. We go to our own heaven-like place if we live good lives. We simply die into oblivian if he live bad lives. Now... here is where you are supposed to come in all big -shot -like and tell me I am going to a white christian hell because you are better than me. I did not like you bringing my Amazonian brothers and sisters into this discussion either. Deplorable.
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digs wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


digs wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


digs wrote:


Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

No one is truly brainwashed into Christianity because we all have the same free will. And even the "brainwashed" may still not be Christian if they don't repent of their sins. Many believe in Jesus, but they don't repent. Many who think they are saved aren't, because they aren't living it and just "believing all the right things." Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. Mat 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

And those who haven't heard about Christianity still have the conviction of the Holy Spirit. God's Spirit works in the hearts of everyone to move them to repentance and seek the truth in Christ. God displays his power through creation, and everyone has that. God judges the heart.


The point is people raised in very conservative Christian families are more likely to become true Christians than people raised in conservative Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or anything other than Christian families, right? So it's not fair. God would have to be crazy to expect everyone to be able to convert to Christianity.

What happens to non-Christian kids?


This is true, but why is that not fair? It's still bent on their choice. Many conservative Christians turn out to be "good ol' boys." Basically church goers who drink, sex it up, etc... You can be raised with a strong understanding, but in the end it's still someone's decision. It's fair for everyone, because we all have the same nature and we all have to make the same choice. God doesn't "expect" us to because He gives us the choice to turn and love Him. He hopes that we do and it's His desire that all may be saved, but He doesn't force it upon people.

And what do you mean by what happens to non-Christian kids? Like if they die? Or you mean people not raised in a Christian home?

@Shinto- even though we're debating I promise it wasn't me who reported your post.


Yeah, but there are some people who will never hear of christanity in their entire life, usually because they live somewhere isolated, like in a forest in the amazon, those people will never hear of christanity in their entire life, because they can't, they have no computers, no radios, no electricity, none of that, so they are unable to hear of christanity through no fault of their own, what happens to them ? Do they go to hell because of something they have absolutely no control over ? They can't be "Saved" because its impossible for them to be saved, they have no means of communication to any place where christanity is. So do they still go to hell ?


I have already addressed that. They still have the Holy Spirit that convicts them and tries to help guide them to the Truth, they also have the creation (everyone has that). God judges the hearts, if those people came to the understanding that their tribal gods were fake and wanted to know the Truth God would provide someone to teach that to them. In fact, God says the end of the world and the tribulation shall not come until the Gospel has been preached to all nations. God looks at the heart, here is a link that may help. http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html Here is another you might want to read http://www.web-church.com/articles-christian/never-heard-jesus.htm


the Holy Spirit another thing that has no evidence for it. Do you base any of your Ideals off from evidence? Or Is everything your about is nothing but Blind uneducated Faith?
I love how there are religions older than what you think earth is, and yet out of all those 5,000,000 religions that have been out there your religion is right and all there religions are just tickits to hell. 'Hate to tell you this but your chances of picking the right religion is next to 0.002% after you add in all the religions and sub,branches to them religions. At everyone from every religion believe there right so without evidence your no more right than they are. So If there is a God, Gods and Goddesses, or Whatever, I be seeing you in one of there hells... Lucky for me most of the older religions did not use that fear tactic known as Hell. So atleast Older religions was not trying to use fear to force there ideals on people.


I have proof of the Holy Spirit. In my life God's Spirit has spoken to me. He made two promises to me that are coming true. I have seen people healed miraculously by the power of God's Spirit, I have been given prophetic words and words given to others that have come true. All of the Biblical prophecies have come true, and the conviction we all feel is the conviction of the Holy Spirit. It is very real. It may not have a substance but it is real, or rather He is real.

And religion isn't like a roulette with luck. Truth can be found, and the truth is in Jesus. If we seek truth and seek God with all of our harts and listen and heed the call of the Holy Spirit, we will find truth in Christ. Many have done that already.


'You just said what every other religous person would say from every other religion. "

People are Healed do to a doctor or there body is able to fight off whatever they have. That is not a miracal. Name three Biblical Prohecies that came true that could have not been translated 300 other ways to make it seem like they came true.
Feeling something like a holy spirit is in the mind nothing more Its a trick that all religous people can do, or non religous.

'You find that more Christians leave than other religous people or even atheist join the Church. At that you find that the only people that gives the church there numbers are kids that are brainwashed into the religion as a kid.
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