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Was Hitler a Jew?
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There is some debate among historians concerning this question. At various points several witnesses did testify that Hitler’s grandfather was at least half-Jewish, but this was in a time when false rumors were flying wild. The British propagandist Toby O’Brien, for example, attempted to defame Hitler and motivate allied troops by creating a jaunty rhyme titled, “Hitler has Only Got One Ball.”

Hitler has only got one ball
Goering has two but very small
Himmler is somewhat sim’lar
But poor Goebbels has no balls at all

An earlier version of the song had Hitler and Goering switched, but the ditty stuck and to this day many people are convinced that Adolf had lost a cherished part of his male anatomy. So, what about the story concerning his ancestry?

Well, historians aren’t sure. Hitler was secretive about his ancestry, doing everything within his power to cover up his roots. As a result we have very few affirmable sources concerning his heredity. It is actually possible that Hitler’s secrecy gave rise to some of the earliest rumors. Opposition eager for dirt and paranoid supporters may’ve created the story simply to explain his behavior in an interesting light. Another possibility, however, is that Hitler was trying to cover up a family history of mental instability. One of Hitler’s relatives committed suicide. Another was severely retarded, another ‘feeble minded,’ and yet another had been admitted to an insane asylum.

The rumors, however, were later affirmed by Hans Frank who served as Hitler’s lawyer before the war and later a high ranking Nazi General as well as the fuher’s personal advisor. During the Nuremberg trials he also testified that Hitler had been covering up his ancestry because his grandmother had been seduced by a Jew and that Hitler’s father, Alois, resulted from their relation.

Hans Frank was executed after admitting to war crimes and crimes against humanity. Because of his honesty in other areas I personally consider his testimony fairly reliable. Still, it doesn’t prove anything and historians are debating the issue. Some people cannot fathom that somebody of Jewish heredity can be anti-Semitic, but I don’t actually consider this a difficult task. After all, many of the Arabs in Palestine are in fact Semites. So, if Jews can be bigoted against fellow Semites as so many Israeli’s are, why can Jews not also be bigoted against fellow Jews?

I do not think we will ever prove the truth. Hitler didn't even have the certificate of origin used to map the roots of other German citizens.and His grandmother refused to name the father of her son and her maiden name was also Jewish, but historical evidence suggests that it was derived from abnormal roots. So, there's no 'fact,' here, but what are your thoughts?

http://www.abelard.org/hitler/hitler.php
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/NurembergNews10_16_46.html

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Well if he was purposely trying to hide his ancestry, then he had a reason, so I'd say its safe to assume, that somewhere in his family tree, exists a jew. If there wasn't any jews in his family / ancestors then he wouldn't have any need to cover his past up. it'd make him look bad if we was preaching "kill the jews", and he's jewish himself. Well that's just how I see it.
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Well if he was purposely trying to hide his ancestry, then he had a reason, so I'd say its safe to assume, that somewhere in his family tree, exists a jew. If there wasn't any jews in his family / ancestors then he wouldn't have any need to cover his past up. it'd make him look bad if we was preaching "kill the jews", and he's jewish himself. Well that's just how I see it.


Well, maybe he was trying to cover up a history of mental disabilities? Then again, all of the relatives I mentioned before were on his mother’s side. It’s the father’s side that’s in question, and we don’t seem (as far as –I- am aware, not necessarily historians,) to have anything suggesting a tendency towards mental instability amongst Alois’ family. So, it’s just as likely that there was a Jew somewhere along the lines: more so, since that’s what Hans and others were telling us.
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eh, i don't care really since we're all related genetically anyway~
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No, he wasn't Jewish. Maybe related through generations and long lost cousins, since basically everyone is related if you go really, really far back, but his mother wasn't Jewish so according to Jewish law, he is not a Jew.
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Jew hating the Jews......odd.
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anti-Semantic


I lol'ed. Kinda sad that no one else caught it.


I'm surprised that many people still think Judaism is a race or an ethnicity that can be inherited genetically. It's a religion, nothing more and nothing less. If someone doesn't practice the Jewish faith then they aren't Jewish, it doesn't matter what their parents or grandparents were. So since Hitler did not live by the Jewish faith then he was not Jewish. He wasn't a Semite either since (I'm assuming) he didn't know any Semitic languages or live by any Semitic cultures.
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I agree with cuddlebuns. And yeah, I noticed anti-semantic, but I thought if I pointed it out, he would ask for sources again. Which I dont have. Anyway you cant be a jew unless your mother is a jew. If you father is a jew, and mother not, you cant be a jew. That is why judaism was advanced culture/religion in middle east: while other tribes had custom to expose female (and crippled) children to the desert, thus keeping the number of females as low as possible, jewish tribes (12 of them) needed women to keep them whole! - so no slaves (they had slaves, but not for doing the nasty), no raids to abduct other women etc. You had to stick with what you got.
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Allhailodin wrote:

Well if he was purposely trying to hide his ancestry, then he had a reason, so I'd say its safe to assume, that somewhere in his family tree, exists a jew. If there wasn't any jews in his family / ancestors then he wouldn't have any need to cover his past up. it'd make him look bad if we was preaching "kill the jews", and he's jewish himself. Well that's just how I see it.


Well, maybe he was trying to cover up a history of mental disabilities? Then again, all of the relatives I mentioned before were on his mother’s side. It’s the father’s side that’s in question, and we don’t seem (as far as –I- am aware, not necessarily historians,) to have anything suggesting a tendency towards mental instability amongst Alois’ family. So, it’s just as likely that there was a Jew somewhere along the lines: more so, since that’s what Hans and others were telling us.


I thought Hitler's dad was pretty unstable. *shrug*
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Yes he was. He killed his own kind because they are annoying and always in nazi's way.
Or so I heard.............
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Yes he was. He killed his own kind because they are annoying and always in nazi's way.
Or so I heard.............


Just some clearance is needed; you think that Jews are annoying, or that Hitler thought that they were annoying?
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SeraphAlford wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:

Well if he was purposely trying to hide his ancestry, then he had a reason, so I'd say its safe to assume, that somewhere in his family tree, exists a jew. If there wasn't any jews in his family / ancestors then he wouldn't have any need to cover his past up. it'd make him look bad if we was preaching "kill the jews", and he's jewish himself. Well that's just how I see it.


Well, maybe he was trying to cover up a history of mental disabilities? Then again, all of the relatives I mentioned before were on his mother’s side. It’s the father’s side that’s in question, and we don’t seem (as far as –I- am aware, not necessarily historians,) to have anything suggesting a tendency towards mental instability amongst Alois’ family. So, it’s just as likely that there was a Jew somewhere along the lines: more so, since that’s what Hans and others were telling us.


I thought Hitler's dad was pretty unstable. *shrug*


Hitlers dad used to beat hitler when he was a child, so he was an asshole, dunno about unstable tho.
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^ I consider this as pretty unstable.
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Cuddlebuns

I lol'ed. Kinda sad that no one else caught it.


I'm surprised that many people still think Judaism is a race or an ethnicity that can be inherited genetically. It's a religion, nothing more and nothing less. If someone doesn't practice the Jewish faith then they aren't Jewish, it doesn't matter what their parents or grandparents were. So since Hitler did not live by the Jewish faith then he was not Jewish. He wasn't a Semite either since (I'm assuming) he didn't know any Semitic languages or live by any Semitic cultures.



Jew:
1. believer in Judaism: somebody whose religion is Judaism
2. member of Semitic people: a member of a Semitic people descended from the ancient Hebrews, sharing cultural and religious ties based on Judaism
3. somebody from ancient Judea: somebody who lived or was born in ancient Judea

Hitler claims that he became an anti-Semite while living in the slums of Vienne. After being rejected from art school twice he had no career plan. His mother then died and he lost financial support. This forced him to work very low class occupations, and after losing some jobs to ‘dishonest,’ Jews he grew to resent them. So, he was surrounded by Jewish culture…but Jewish culture at that time was ambiguous at best.

I once read a Jewish scholars article about how denying your Judaism and hating other Jews actually became a part of Jewish culture throughout the nineteenth and twentieth century.

So, what’s the lesson? Well, art schools need to lower their flipping standards.
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I thought Hitler's dad was pretty unstable. *shrug*


I really wouldn't know. I’m not a historian or even a history major.
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