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Was Hitler a Jew?
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Posted 7/14/09

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Yes he was. He killed his own kind because they are annoying and always in nazi's way.
Or so I heard.............


Just some clearance is needed; you think that Jews are annoying, or that Hitler thought that they were annoying?


Probably both. I know that illegal immigrants can be incredibly irritating and that’s what the Jews were in most cases. They had no home so they infiltrated the homes of European nations. Just like the Gypsies
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anti-Semantic


I lol'ed. Kinda sad that no one else caught it.


I don't know what you're talking about...*eyes dart.* :p



I'm surprised that many people still think Judaism is a race or an ethnicity that can be inherited genetically. It's a religion, nothing more and nothing less.


That’s not true.

...there are secular, political, and ancestral identification factors in defining who is a Jew...


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/903585.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

Educate thyself.
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Jew:
1. believer in Judaism: somebody whose religion is Judaism
2. member of Semitic people: a member of a Semitic people descended from the ancient Hebrews, sharing cultural and religious ties based on Judaism
3. somebody from ancient Judea: somebody who lived or was born in ancient Judea

Hitler claims that he became an anti-Semite while living in the slums of Vienne. After being rejected from art school twice he had no career plan. His mother then died and he lost financial support. This forced him to work very low class occupations, and after losing some jobs to ‘dishonest,’ Jews he grew to resent them. So, he was surrounded by Jewish culture…but Jewish culture at that time was ambiguous at best.

I once read a Jewish scholars article about how denying your Judaism and hating other Jews actually became a part of Jewish culture throughout the nineteenth and twentieth century.

So, what’s the lesson? Well, art schools need to lower their flipping standards.





SeraphAlford
That’s not true.

...there are secular, political, and ancestral identification factors in defining who is a Jew...


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/903585.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

Educate thyself.


Apparently someone who is a Jew isn't necessarily someone who is Jewish, like I originally thought. I've seen various sources that say it isn't an ethnicity, and just as many that say it is an ethnicity, so I can't be sure which one it is. Although I'm pretty sure that people can't convert out of or into an ethnicity.
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I read the links but still I think Judaism is a religion.


Haaretz:
And how did millions of Jews appear around the Mediterranean Sea?

Shlomo Sand*- a Professor of History at TAU :
The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others"


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* not classified as anti-Semitic yet.
Posted 7/14/09
It's both; religion and ethnicity. There are various forms of ethnic Jews. You have the Ashkenazi Jews, the Mizrahi Jews...
One and the other don't have to be together though, meaning that you can be an ethnic Jew, but not practising the Jewish belief; Christian Jew for example. Judaism is the term that is used for the specific Hebraic religion. And Hebrew is the ethnical term.
It's probably misleading to see the same term being used as a substitute for both nomenclatures.


Footnote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Jewish_ethnic_divisions_-_Divisions/id/1530657
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As I recall his mother was Jewish but his father was Austrian or German. At best he was half Jewish by ethnicity, but he never practiced the Jewish faith in his life. However, the reason he dumped on the Jews had nothing to do with his old job issues or art school. Long story short the Nazi's started as a workers union and to rise to power he needed someone to use as a punching bag. The Jews were richer than most Germans, owned a number of businesses, and tended to occupy the "professional" jobs like Dentists. When you are trying to rabble rouse a bunch of poor people who can't get a job there aren't many better targets than "the Man" who is holding you down while sitting on top.
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Cuddlebuns
Apparently someone who is a Jew isn't necessarily someone who is Jewish, like I originally thought. I've seen various sources that say it isn't an ethnicity, and just as many that say it is an ethnicity, so I can't be sure which one it is. Although I'm pretty sure that people can't convert out of or into an ethnicity.


That’s because there are actually two separate but identical words in play here. Jew as an ethnicity is derived from Judea-the proper term was originally Judean but this changed with time and confusion since the Judean tribe is also the last surviving of twelve tribes that adhered to the Jewish religion. So, Judaism as a religion outdates Judaism as an ethnicity, you understand? Two terms: one is a religious title, the other an ethnic title. They are spelt the same, sound the same, but have different meanings and possible etymological roots.
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ShroomInferno wrote:


Ryutai-Desk wrote:

Yes he was. He killed his own kind because they are annoying and always in nazi's way.
Or so I heard.............


Just some clearance is needed; you think that Jews are annoying, or that Hitler thought that they were annoying?


Hitler thought that.....
Me too, if they keep expand their house and build more to reducing Palestine territory. Even US gets annoyed.

I think Judaism is religion, btw
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Hehe
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Posted 7/16/09
Sad to see this thread dying. I was interested in hearing some historical debate....
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My question is where does this hate for Jews come from? How come they were being persecuted and driven out of so many countries. It is just confusing to me because personally I have no ill feelings towards them and I am trying to see what will bring some kind of hate towards them out of me. How do you know if someone is a Jew if they don't tell you? Unlike racism where you can clearly distinguish them Jews can come in all races, shapes, sizes and color. You have to do something to someone for you to just up and hate them but if you all your doing is being innocent then why?
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^ probably jealously or envy.
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drizza wrote:

My question is where does this hate for Jews come from? How come they were being persecuted and driven out of so many countries. It is just confusing to me because personally I have no ill feelings towards them and I am trying to see what will bring some kind of hate towards them out of me. How do you know if someone is a Jew if they don't tell you? Unlike racism where you can clearly distinguish them Jews can come in all races, shapes, sizes and color. You have to do something to someone for you to just up and hate them but if you all your doing is being innocent then why?


First of all, being Jewish is mostly looked at as an ethnicity, or a race; Hitler figured it out by just looking at their grandparents. Antisemitism exists for religious reasons, they supposedly defied God and some prophets in both Islam and Christianity, I'm not sure of the specifics of that. I know there's some antisemitic Hadiths people believe in, and some Christians have the idea they killed Jesus. They were always nomadic, like gypsies, with no real home country and a very unique culture and religious practices, so people persecuted them from the start for being different and being easy targets/scapegoats. A whole bunch of stereotypes of them being untrustworthy and deceitful developed over time because of how smart they are. And like mystic said, jealousy or envy also developed because of how smart they are despite their small numbers.

Of course today it's just a cultural thing people inherit, and is justified by religion and Israel.
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You know thats one religion I know nothing about have to learn a lot more about. I know Islams, Christianity (on certain aspects pretaining to God and the prophets.), but I dont know anything about the Jewish side of it. I know all three religions believe in one God but I want to know what the major differences from Islam and Judaism and the similarities. I have heard much about the Talmud but little about the Torah. There aren't enough Jewish threads on here unless it deals with Palestine and Israel lol. Seems interesting though. Oh well I am straying too far off topic my bad.
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