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I love the way many Christian arguments begin by introducing an authority - and in this case one who's expertise is utterly irrelevant. Christianity depends on accepting Truth from Authority (the Bible and it's priests / pastors).

Dr. Simon Greenleaf, former professor of law at Harvard University and once recognized by the Supreme Court to be perhaps the greatest authority on legal evidence who has ever lived, made a detailed examination of the evidence relating to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, quoted by L.A. Drummon and P.R. Baxter in the 1986 book How to Respond to a Skeptic. (Chicago: Moody Press, p 117.) He concluded that in any uinbiased courtroom in the world, the evidence would establish the fact that Jesus was resurrected from the dead. The documentary evidence has been examined independently by millions of people, each of whom had the opportunity to find mistakes if there were any. St. Luke, for example, turns out to be as meticulous a geographer and historian as anyone now living. Calling his Gospel "mythology" is like calling Caesar's Gallic Wars "legendary." Contempt prior to investigation is no way to determine the facts. Unlike some religious literature, the Bible is filled with specific names, dates, places. Fifty or sixty years ago it was commonplace to scorn these as legendary or inaccurate, but having such an attitude today requires one to ignore libraries full of research in history, archeology and linguistics. Which of course is your privilege; but the recently-published "Under the Influence" by Alvin Schmidt shows that virtually everything that makes the world today better than it was in Roman times stems directly from the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
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I love the way many Christian arguments begin by introducing an authority - and in this case one who's expertise is utterly irrelevant. Christianity depends on accepting Truth from Authority (the Bible and it's priests / pastors).

Dr. Simon Greenleaf, former professor of law at Harvard University and once recognized by the Supreme Court to be perhaps the greatest authority on legal evidence who has ever lived, made a detailed examination of the evidence relating to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, quoted by L.A. Drummon and P.R. Baxter in the 1986 book How to Respond to a Skeptic. (Chicago: Moody Press, p 117.) He concluded that in any uinbiased courtroom in the world, the evidence would establish the fact that Jesus was resurrected from the dead. The documentary evidence has been examined independently by millions of people, each of whom had the opportunity to find mistakes if there were any. St. Luke, for example, turns out to be as meticulous a geographer and historian as anyone now living. Calling his Gospel "mythology" is like calling Caesar's Gallic Wars "legendary." Contempt prior to investigation is no way to determine the facts. Unlike some religious literature, the Bible is filled with specific names, dates, places. Fifty or sixty years ago it was commonplace to scorn these as legendary or inaccurate, but having such an attitude today requires one to ignore libraries full of research in history, archeology and linguistics. Which of course is your privilege; but the recently-published "Under the Influence" by Alvin Schmidt shows that virtually everything that makes the world today better than it was in Roman times stems directly from the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.



I have seen this same report word for word before. At the same time It has been refuted and proven to be a crock of you know what.

At that first you have to find what evidence in the bible is true. Anyone can date something and use names. Hell Jesus was a well used name in the past. A lot of what is in the bible are stories past of from myths from other religions. So first you have to prove what documents are real or not with evidence, found else where other than just one source.
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Before we start I like to make it clear this is not a thread attacking religion or about religion in it self. This is a thread about If Jesus the person was real or not.



The story of Jesus was originally an allegorical story based partly on the Jewish exodus myth and Joshua/Jesus ben Nun, successor of Moses, the Jewish Messiah-myth and the widespread pagan myth of the dying and resurrected godman Dionysos-Osiris. Later uneducated Christians in Rome, people without the insight and understanding of the deeper meaning of the texts, started to take these allegorical stories for their face value, and Literary Christianity as we know it was born.



All the teachings of Jesus are "borrowed" from older sources, for example from the teachings of Buddha. Many of Jesus teachings are almost word for word identical with some of Buddhas sayings (400 years earlier). The so-called "Golden rule" can be found in several earlier pagan Greek (and Jewish) texts. The famous "Sermon on the Mount" was never held by Jesus (of course, since he never existed), but also because it was actually first produced in the second century AD by Christian priests, assembled from what they assumed were sayings of Jesus in different other texts.



King Herod tried to kill Jesus as an infant, so famed was Jesus before he knew his own name. But nobody wrote about him. The Judaic and Roman cultures were literate, as we well know. True, maybe only ten percent of Romans — for example — were able to write, and most of them may have used literacy for no more than records of transaction. But nobody wrote about the King of Kings?... It's almost impossible.

It's more likely that Jesus did not exist.



No historians of the time mention Jesus. Suetonius (65-135) does not. Pliny the Younger only mentions Christians (Paulists) with no comment of Jesus himself. Tacitus mentions a Jesus, but it is likely that after a century of Christian preaching Tacitus was just reacting to these rumours, or probably talking about one of the many other Messiah's of the time. Josephus, a methodical, accurate and dedicated historian of the time mentions John the Baptist, Herod, Pilate and many aspects of Jewish life but does not mention Jesus. (The Testimonium Flavianum has been shown to be a third century Christian fraud). He once mentions a Jesus, but gives no information other than that he is a brother of a James. Jesus was not an unusual name, either. Justus, another Jewish historian who lived in Tiberias (near Kapernaum, a place Jesus frequented) did not mention Jesus nor any of his miracles. It is only in the evidence of later writers, writing about earlier times, that we find a Jesus.



Perhaps the most historically correct of all the theories is the apparently true theory that Christianity started out as much more Gnostic than it became from the 2nd century onwards, and the stories of Jesus and the disciples match those of other Mystery religions and Pagan religions precisely because Christianity was another Mystery Religion. Literalist Christianity as we know it was the Outer Mysteries of this spiritual religion. It explains why the historical centres of Christianity were all gnostic when literalist Christians went back to research the past, and why so many Pagan god-man elements are part of Christianity. It also explains why none of the scholars of the time mention Jesus or the miracles around his life, because even the Christians themselves knew that they were symbolic stories, not actual events.


"Elements that were common in Pagan mystery of religions include much of the religious content of Christianity. All elements of Jesus' life such as the events around his birth and death and ministry were also said of other god-men of the time. Peripheral elements such as there being twelve disciples were similarly present in other more ancient religions and sometimes with an astonishing amount of duplication. First century critics of Christianity voiced these accusations that Christianity was nothing but another copy of common religions, they are not new accusations.

All the actual sayings and teachings of Jesus were also not new, and much of the time speeches attributed to Jesus are more like collections of Jewish and Pagan sayings. Even distinctive texts like the Sermon on the Mount are not unique. If we remove all the content that Jesus could not have heard and repeated himself, there is nothing else left. If we remove the supernatural elements of Christianity that are copies of already existing thought and religion, there is nothing left which is unique! Even much of the sayings of subsequent Christians is not unique; Jesus appears to not have taught anyone anything that was not already present in the common culture of the time. This shows us that not only did Christianity follow on, as expected, from previous thought in history but that we do not even need to believe in God or supernatural events in order to account for the history of Christianity. Stephen Hodge very usefully lists many of the similarities found in the Dead Sea Scrolls to the teachings and organisation of Jewish Christianity. He also concludes that these Jewish documents make the teachings and appearance of Jewish Christianity less revolutionary."



Jesus and the other God-men are personifications of the Sun

"The reason why all these narratives are so similar, with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula (the "Mythos," as mentioned above) revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.


It's more than possible, I guess.... I always thought he was an actual being. No offense the dark, but, I couldn't really care one way or another.
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i dont know about all this

i think Jesus did exist but he was sort of like a Con artist he told people exacly what they wanted to hear and he believed in his own bullshit
like any good cult leader

check out this passage in Monty Phythons Life Of Brian that shows exacly how stupid this whole following a messiah is....It reminds of the catholic church ><


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc&feature=related
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It's more than possible, I guess.... I always thought he was an actual being. No offense the dark, but, I couldn't really care one way or another.


Well, very few scholars would argue that he didn’t exist, most think that this is a dead hypothesis. Like a few guys have even gone so far to say that in the academic world nobody legitimately believes it anymore. Mostly it’s a theory kept alive because it sells books. You know, like Richard Dawkings' God Delusion. Even atheists critics admit that his hatred of religion prevents him from being objective and that this is the least respectable of all his articles. Yet, it’s also the best selling. Why? Because we live in an age of skepticism. People like to doubt popular beliefs.
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openmindedatheist wrote:

It's more than possible, I guess.... I always thought he was an actual being. No offense the dark, but, I couldn't really care one way or another.


Well, very few scholars would argue that he didn’t exist, most think that this is a dead hypothesis. Like a few guys have even gone so far to say that in the academic world nobody legitimately believes it anymore. Mostly it’s a theory kept alive because it sells books. You know, like Richard Dawkings' God Delusion. Even atheists critics admit that his hatred of religion prevents him from being objective and that this is the least respectable of all his articles. Yet, it’s also the best selling. Why? Because we live in an age of skepticism. People like to doubt popular beliefs.


Alright then. This topic kinda puts me to sleep. No offence to anyone. I'm sure others can find something interesting within it.
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I have seen this same report word for word before. At the same time It has been refuted and proven to be a crock of you know what.

At that first you have to find what evidence in the bible is true. Anyone can date something and use names. Hell Jesus was a well used name in the past. A lot of what is in the bible are stories past of from myths from other religions. So first you have to prove what documents are real or not with evidence, found else where other than just one source.


Ah, if science and evidences is gonna explain anything, myths and legends would not exist. The line between God and science is faith.
I believe Jesus exist (not existed, he still lives!). I know you don't, so don't argue cuz it'll go nowhere. There are indeed many questions about life and faith, about beliefs, and the ultimate question is about God Himself. Some questions are not meant to be answered. To ask whether Jesus existed or not..now, that's curiosity. But such curiosity would lead you nowhere, because on faith alone stands the Church, stands Christianity no matter which branch it is.

Here you are, asking if Jesus was a real person. I have no proof that he existed, only faith. Of course, certain people would only believe in evidences. Aside from that, why would someone of the past write something so thick with millions of words and gain nothing? And, I believe many people over the world in the past did experienced him, and they might have wrote a testimony or statement(s). If the Bible is all made up, I don't think that there would be so many Gospels written by different individuals with almost everything in common, that is Jesus' life. That reason is only one of the countless.

Oh, by the way..even if he did not exist, I believe you words should be at least polite. I don't know if you're really asking a question about Jesus' existence, or willing yourself to believe that he did not exist.
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I have seen this same report word for word before. At the same time It has been refuted and proven to be a crock of you know what.

At that first you have to find what evidence in the bible is true. Anyone can date something and use names. Hell Jesus was a well used name in the past. A lot of what is in the bible are stories past of from myths from other religions. So first you have to prove what documents are real or not with evidence, found else where other than just one source.


Ah, if science and evidences is gonna explain anything, myths and legends would not exist. The line between God and science is faith.
I believe Jesus exist (not existed, he still lives!). I know you don't, so don't argue cuz it'll go nowhere. There are indeed many questions about life and faith, about beliefs, and the ultimate question is about God Himself. Some questions are not meant to be answered. To ask whether Jesus existed or not..now, that's curiosity. But such curiosity would lead you nowhere, because on faith alone stands the Church, stands Christianity no matter which branch it is.

Here you are, asking if Jesus was a real person. I have no proof that he existed, only faith. Of course, certain people would only believe in evidences. Aside from that, why would someone of the past write something so thick with millions of words and gain nothing? And, I believe many people over the world in the past did experienced him, and they might have wrote a testimony or statement(s). If the Bible is all made up, I don't think that there would be so many Gospels written by different individuals with almost everything in common, that is Jesus' life. That reason is only one of the countless.

Oh, by the way..even if he did not exist, I believe you words should be at least polite. I don't know if you're really asking a question about Jesus' existence, or willing yourself to believe that he did not exist.



You asked: (Aside from that, why would someone of the past write something so thick with millions of words and gain nothing?)
Ask your-self this, why is there a large amounts of documents and Eye witnesses for every god or gods ever dreamed up. There lot of eye witnesses to Thor Frey and Odin. Plus 1000s upon 1000s of stories about those gods, same for the Greek and Roman gods. Do you Believe Hercules was a real half god born from Zeus, and a Human Mother? You do he had statues put up in his image and stories from eye witnesses about him. So do you believe he was real?



You said: ( Some questions are not meant to be answered. To ask whether Jesus existed or not..now, that's curiosity. But such curiosity would lead you nowhere, because on faith alone stands the Church, stands Christianity no matter which branch it is. )
If that was the case than man wold not have felt the need to learn about the planets, and today people still believe that the sun and all the stars travel around the earth in a large circle. Nor-would we have learn that planets move in elliptical not circles around the sun. Because we all just chalked it up to gods divine plan and not explored it any further. Lucky for us there have been people who dare to challenged religious Ideals, and do to that we learn more about the world around us. Your Ideals on curiosity would lead you nowhere, because on faith alone stands the Church, would have left us in the Dark Ages!

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You asked: (Aside from that, why would someone of the past write something so thick with millions of words and gain nothing?)
Ask your-self this, why is there a large amounts of documents and Eye witnesses for every god or gods ever dreamed up. There lot of eye witnesses to Thor Frey and Odin. Plus 1000s upon 1000s of stories about those gods, same for the Greek and Roman gods. Do you Believe Hercules was a real half god born from Zeus, and a Human Mother? You do he had statues put up in his image and stories from eye witnesses about him. So do you believe he was real?



I've never heard of any eye witnesses, and they are myths. Myth is a fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology. Unlike religion, they are two different things. You should learn how to differentiate stuffs.



You said: ( Some questions are not meant to be answered. To ask whether Jesus existed or not..now, that's curiosity. But such curiosity would lead you nowhere, because on faith alone stands the Church, stands Christianity no matter which branch it is. )
If that was the case than man wold not have felt the need to learn about the planets, and today people still believe that the sun and all the stars travel around the earth in a large circle. Nor-would we have learn that planets move in elliptical not circles around the sun. Because we all just chalked it up to gods divine plan and not explored it any further. Lucky for us there have been people who dare to challenged religious Ideals, and do to that we learn more about the world around us. Your Ideals on curiosity would lead you nowhere, because on faith alone stands the Church, would have left us in the Dark Ages!


Like I said, SOME questions are not meant to be answered. I don't think you get what I mean, so nevermind that. Those things can be proven by science, but what about the existence of a person whom you barely know? Similarly, your curiosity of the existence of one man will lead you to nowhere because you don't even believe he exist in the first place. Try proving that he does or does not exist, where will that land you? I remember you saying some kinda DNA test earlier in other posts, but how would you do so if he has already ascended into Heaven? Like I said, some questions are not meant to be answered, not all. God's divine plan, is for Him to know alone,not for you or me. The things surrounding us are not his plans,they are His creations and therefore, you're free to explore it. His plans, such as the future, is not meant to be revealed to human, or who knows what might happen. Please, do understand what I'm trying to say before making such silly statements just because you misunderstood things. Or maybe its just me putting my words too clumsily.
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You asked: (Aside from that, why would someone of the past write something so thick with millions of words and gain nothing?)
Ask your-self this, why is there a large amounts of documents and Eye witnesses for every god or gods ever dreamed up. There lot of eye witnesses to Thor Frey and Odin. Plus 1000s upon 1000s of stories about those gods, same for the Greek and Roman gods. Do you Believe Hercules was a real half god born from Zeus, and a Human Mother? You do he had statues put up in his image and stories from eye witnesses about him. So do you believe he was real?



I've never heard of any eye witnesses, and they are myths. Myth is a fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology. Unlike religion, they are two different things. You should learn how to differentiate stuffs.



You said: ( Some questions are not meant to be answered. To ask whether Jesus existed or not..now, that's curiosity. But such curiosity would lead you nowhere, because on faith alone stands the Church, stands Christianity no matter which branch it is. )
If that was the case than man wold not have felt the need to learn about the planets, and today people still believe that the sun and all the stars travel around the earth in a large circle. Nor-would we have learn that planets move in elliptical not circles around the sun. Because we all just chalked it up to gods divine plan and not explored it any further. Lucky for us there have been people who dare to challenged religious Ideals, and do to that we learn more about the world around us. Your Ideals on curiosity would lead you nowhere, because on faith alone stands the Church, would have left us in the Dark Ages!


Like I said, SOME questions are not meant to be answered. I don't think you get what I mean, so nevermind that. Those things can be proven by science, but what about the existence of a person whom you barely know? Similarly, your curiosity of the existence of one man will lead you to nowhere because you don't even believe he exist in the first place. Try proving that he does or does not exist, where will that land you? I remember you saying some kinda DNA test earlier in other posts, but how would you do so if he has already ascended into Heaven? Like I said, some questions are not meant to be answered, not all. God's divine plan, is for Him to know alone,not for you or me. The things surrounding us are not his plans,they are His creations and therefore, you're free to explore it. His plans, such as the future, is not meant to be revealed to human, or who knows what might happen. Please, do understand what I'm trying to say before making such silly statements just because you misunderstood things. Or maybe its just me putting my words too clumsily.


You said: I've never heard of any eye witnesses, and they are myths. Myth is a fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology. Unlike religion, they are two different things. You should learn how to differentiate stuffs.

So are you saying that no one made statues of Hercules, painted there Gods, or have book past down of there history and stories about them? You find they do... at that do a search you find they have as many documents for them as the bible has for it self.
On top of that Hercules has a long list of stories of his great strength and his bad temper, in history. So do you think Hercules is the son of Zeus? Or that he was a half god just like Jesus? Or do you call him a myth even if the evidence for him is as good as the evidence for Jesus. Myths are religions that people do not believe in any more. But it does not make them any less than any other religion for the evidence for them all are the same. Including scriptures and everything else.
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You said: I've never heard of any eye witnesses, and they are myths. Myth is a fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology. Unlike religion, they are two different things. You should learn how to differentiate stuffs.

So are you saying that no one made statues of Hercules, painted there Gods, or have book past down of there history and stories about them? You find they do... at that do a search you find they have as many documents for them as the bible has for it self.
On top of that Hercules has a long list of stories of his great strength and his bad temper, in history. So do you think Hercules is the son of Zeus? Or that he was a half god just like Jesus? Or do you call him a myth even if the evidence for him is as good as the evidence for Jesus. Myths are religions that people do not believe in any more. But it does not make them any less than any other religion for the evidence for them all are the same. Including scriptures and everything else.


Swts..do you even know what is myth and what is religion? There's a huge gap between them, not old religions that people do not trust in anymore. Logically, someone must've made those statues of Hercules, stories or documents and stuffs. If it was a religion, I don't see why there are no more followers. I do not know whether Hercules existed, as it is only a myth and for I have only one God. Those gods from the Greek mythology is very interesting, I admit, but it serves no more than that. Its probably half truth, I don't know for sure. Who knows, your perspective maybe be right, but you got the wrong subject. I mean, your thoughts (about whether Jesus did exist or not) are right, but it should be directed at those myths instead. Evidence is all you need to believe in something right? But religion isn't set that way, and that's why there's faith.

Quote (Acts 5:38 - Acts 5:39)

..... If what they have planned and one is of human origin,it will disappear, (39) but if it comes from God, you cannot possibly defeat them...


I agree very much to the statement. Even if its not extracted from the Bible, its still the truth. That settles whatever you define myth as, old religions which are forgotten. Well if Hercules was a half god, who's God? There should be only one God ideally, but its not that way in myths.

Oh by the way, Jesus isn't half human half God. He's God.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

You said: I've never heard of any eye witnesses, and they are myths. Myth is a fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology. Unlike religion, they are two different things. You should learn how to differentiate stuffs.

So are you saying that no one made statues of Hercules, painted there Gods, or have book past down of there history and stories about them? You find they do... at that do a search you find they have as many documents for them as the bible has for it self.
On top of that Hercules has a long list of stories of his great strength and his bad temper, in history. So do you think Hercules is the son of Zeus? Or that he was a half god just like Jesus? Or do you call him a myth even if the evidence for him is as good as the evidence for Jesus. Myths are religions that people do not believe in any more. But it does not make them any less than any other religion for the evidence for them all are the same. Including scriptures and everything else.


Swts..do you even know what is myth and what is religion? There's a huge gap between them, not old religions that people do not trust in anymore. Logically, someone must've made those statues of Hercules, stories or documents and stuffs. If it was a religion, I don't see why there are no more followers. I do not know whether Hercules existed, as it is only a myth and for I have only one God. Those gods from the Greek mythology is very interesting, I admit, but it serves no more than that. Its probably half truth, I don't know for sure. Who knows, your perspective maybe be right, but you got the wrong subject. I mean, your thoughts (about whether Jesus did exist or not) are right, but it should be directed at those myths instead. Evidence is all you need to believe in something right? But religion isn't set that way, and that's why there's faith.

Quote (Acts 5:38 - Acts 5:39)

..... If what they have planned and one is of human origin,it will disappear, (39) but if it comes from God, you cannot possibly defeat them...


I agree very much to the statement. Even if its not extracted from the Bible, its still the truth. That settles whatever you define myth as, old religions which are forgotten. Well if Hercules was a half god, who's God? There should be only one God ideally, but its not that way in myths.

Oh by the way, Jesus isn't half human half God. He's God.

Both your god and there gods are the same there all religions. You call it a myth because you do not believe in it. The same as I would call your religion a myth. Other than that there nothing different about myths and religions other than if a person still believes in it or not.
(its not rocket science.)
'in the next 100 to 1000 years your religion will become a myth to every on this planet and a new religion will take its place, that is just how it works and has always worked since the first religions came about more than 10000 years ago. At that the oldest religion that is still around is 9000 years old and that is the Dogon religion. (they warship aliens, and spirits of the dead.) Wen it comes to the christian, and catholic religions, there pretty damn new. To think that your religion has any more truth than other religions that been around 3 times longer than yours is just willfully ignorant in my educated opinion.
So to recap the only differences between Mythology and Religion is if you believe it or not. So to me and millions of others your religion is just as much a myth as the Norse gods, or the Egyptian Gods that a lot of your bible is based off from.

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Both your god and there gods are the same there all religions. You call it a myth because you do not believe in it. The same as I would call your religion a myth. Other than that there nothing different about myths and religions other than if a person still believes in it or not.
(its not rocket science.)
'in the next 100 to 1000 years your religion will become a myth to every on this planet and a new religion will take its place, that is just how it works and has always worked since the first religions came about more than 10000 years ago. At that the oldest religion that is still around is 9000 years old and that is the Dogon religion. (they warship aliens, and spirits of the dead.) Wen it comes to the christian, and catholic religions, there pretty damn new. To think that your religion has any more truth than other religions that been around 3 times longer than yours is just willfully ignorant in my educated opinion.
So to recap the only differences between Mythology and Religion is if you believe it or not. So to me and millions of others your religion is just as much a myth as the Norse gods, or the Egyptian Gods that a lot of your bible is based off from.



Darkphoenix3450 : To think that your religion has any more truth than other religions that been around 3 times longer than yours is just willfully ignorant in my educated opinion.

It isn't a matter of time when it comes to the Truth. I can just lie to a person that my name is ABC and in the next 50 years, another person tell that person I lied to that my name is XYZ.

Well, if you continue to debate like this, it'll never end. Oh yes, do remember the statement i previously quoted. Then, we'll see whether if my religion will still exist in a thousand years to come, million, or any value you number. If you have the chance to. I believe I will, because I believe in Him.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

Both your god and there gods are the same there all religions. You call it a myth because you do not believe in it. The same as I would call your religion a myth. Other than that there nothing different about myths and religions other than if a person still believes in it or not.
(its not rocket science.)
'in the next 100 to 1000 years your religion will become a myth to every on this planet and a new religion will take its place, that is just how it works and has always worked since the first religions came about more than 10000 years ago. At that the oldest religion that is still around is 9000 years old and that is the Dogon religion. (they warship aliens, and spirits of the dead.) Wen it comes to the christian, and catholic religions, there pretty damn new. To think that your religion has any more truth than other religions that been around 3 times longer than yours is just willfully ignorant in my educated opinion.
So to recap the only differences between Mythology and Religion is if you believe it or not. So to me and millions of others your religion is just as much a myth as the Norse gods, or the Egyptian Gods that a lot of your bible is based off from.



Darkphoenix3450 : To think that your religion has any more truth than other religions that been around 3 times longer than yours is just willfully ignorant in my educated opinion.

It isn't a matter of time when it comes to the Truth. I can just lie to a person that my name is ABC and in the next 50 years, another person tell that person I lied to that my name is XYZ.

Well, if you continue to debate like this, it'll never end. Oh yes, do remember the statement i previously quoted. Then, we'll see whether if my religion will still exist in a thousand years to come, million, or any value you number. If you have the chance to. I believe I will, because I believe in Him.


We are getting off topic anyways.

The topic is if you can prove Jesus was a real person who really did breath and talk and walked on earth. Other than eye witness accounts in the bible that was written 50 to 100 years after the death of Jesus. What do you have. Hell even Hercules who also had written testimony had at least statues and painting of him. (and still we don't say Hercules was real. And he had a little more evidence than Jesus on his side.)
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

We are getting off topic anyways.

The topic is if you can prove Jesus was a real person who really did breath and talk and walked on earth. Other than eye witness accounts in the bible that was written 50 to 100 years after the death of Jesus. What do you have. Hell even Hercules how also had written testimony had at least statues and painting of him. (and still we don't say Hercules was real. And he had a little more evidence than Jesus on his side.)


Yeah, you're right. We're off topic lol

I don't have any concrete proof about Jesus' existence, or maybe I don't know of any. Nevermind, nice debate though =D
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