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SeraphAlford ...I will reply quickly because I need to get some sleep. I will reply more fully when I get more time.

1. Germar Rudolph was imprisoned for his thoughts and scientific research that did not confirm the lies about the Holyhoax. The repression that Germany and other European countries have instituted to anyone who questions the Holyhoax is reminiscent of the Inquisition. People are being punished for their thoughts and scientific research. If this method of thinking persisted in Europe w/o a Renaissance we will all still be believing the world was flat and more and more scientists would be imprisoned as Germar Rudolph was. To those who want to find out factual information about the persecution that Germar Rudolp faced for his scientific findings please go to these links:

http://www.germarrudolf.com/
Imagine an expert in DNA analyses. He is asked to verify if a defendant is the father of a child. He complies and confirms the fatherhood of the defendant. With his testimony, however, the expert contradicts the statements of many witnesses who claim the opposite. Imagine the judge ruling not to admit the expert testimony because it makes spectators assume that the witnesses lied out of sinister motives. The judge even puts the expert witness on trial for inciting hatred against the witnesses and sentences him to 14 months in jail. You think it can’t happen? It does happen in Germany...

http://www.germarrudolf.com/persecute/

2. Where did I ever say I was a physics professor? I see it is a pattern for you to confuse facts and you are even doing it wth your wrong assessments of me.

3. Regarding Michael Chertoff's Mossad agent mother. Livia Eisen was the first hostess for El Al, Israel's state-owned airlines, founded in 1948. But that was a cover for her Mossad activities. As an example of her Mossad ties is her involvement with Operation Magic Carpet. This was a Mossad Operation which airlifted Yemini Jews to Israel. To show proof of her Mossad involvement this fact was listed in her orbituary. Here is pat of how that orbituary reads:

Star-Ledger, The (Newark, NJ) - December 21, 1998
Deceased Name: Livia Chertoff, 73, El Al flight attendant
OBITUARY
Services for Mrs. Livia Chertoff, 73, of Delray Beach, Fla., mother of former U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey, Michael Chertoff, will be held at 1 p.m. today in the Kreitzman's Memorial Home, 1500 Morris Ave., Union.

Mrs. Chertoff died Saturday in the Ashbrook Nursing Home, Scotch Plains.

She was the first airline hostess for El Al Airlines and participated in Operation Magic Carpet, the famous airlift of Yemenite Jews to Israel.


http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=112004

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I already demonstrated that Germar was arrested for inciting hatred with both a source and an argument. Tell me, if Germar was being censored for his scientific opinion alone then why is Norman Finkelstein not subject to this same discrimination? He’s actually cited Germar in one of his books, yet he’s a bestselling author in Germany. Well, because Norman isn’t inciting hatred of the Jews. Germar was. Once again, Germar’s study was already debunked by other chemists as demonstrated here:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/

Once again he was actually jailed for intentionally stirring up anti-Semitism. He fled to America so we would shelter him (the remaining relatives of Hitler are also hiding in America,) but we sent him back to Germany. He also worked in coordination with his long time friend and neo-Nazi Zundel who published several books praising the Nazi treatment of the Jews.


You make this claim that the only reason Rudolph was arrested was because of his opinion about the Holocaust. He was actually charged with inciting hate, investigated, and found guilty. Now, this may seem strange to Americans but that’s how it is around most of the world. In Canada a Christian preacher was arrested for saying gays will burn in hell. A young man was arrested for saying scientology was a cult, even though by definition it is in fact a client cult. Yet, where is your outcry for these people? Here you are getting so adamant about holocaust deniers being arrested for inciting hatred. Here you are attacking 9 European countries for this, but you don’t mind that a commonwealth country is doing the same thing to people for talking about scientology and homosexuals instead of Jews?

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/notice/index.html?redirect=%2Fen%2FShowFullDoc%2Fcs%2FH-6%2F%2F%2Fen

It's going on in France too:

http://www.taylorwessing.com/topical-issues/details/defamation-and-privacy-law-and-procedure-in-england-germany-and-france.html

It's going on pretty much all over the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Canada




Where did I ever say I was a physics professor? I see it is a pattern for you to confuse facts and you are even doing it wth your wrong assessments of me.


Drizza’s the one who told me you made that claim, so take it up with him. I’ll give you the professor part but right here:


Ansar My fellow physicist, Dr. Steven Jones


You do claim to be a physicist. As for my assessment being wrong, I think it’s pretty spot on and everyone can tell that. You deny the holocaust and frequent neo-Nazi newsletters. You argue that Chertoff is tied to 9/11 simply because he’s Jewish. The information is all up and posted for everybody to see.


Regarding Michael Chertoff's Mossad agent mother. Livia Eisen was the first hostess for El Al, Israel's state-owned airlines, founded in 1948. But that was a cover for her Mossad activities. As an example of her Mossad ties is her involvement with Operation Magic Carpet. This was a Mossad Operation which airlifted Yemini Jews to Israel. To show proof of her Mossad involvement this fact was listed in her orbituary. Here is pat of how that orbituary reads:


I like how you changed things up there. It was a subtle deceit, but a deceit none the less. First you wrote:

Michael Chertoff is our Homeland Security chief. His mother was the first Israeli Mossad agent, his father was a Rabbi and he is a dual Israeli citizen.


Then:

Livia Eisen was the first hostess for El Al, Israel's state-owned airlines


Well, I already pointed out why your information can’t be true. I posted an argument which you failed to counter. I posted a source which you failed to debunk. Now, let’s take a look at your source for this information. You cited:

So, I went to the Rumor Mill website,
http://www.rumormillnews.com/
and you know what the very first headline I saw was?

“The Latest Crop Circle
CrystalRiver -- Saturday, 25-Jul-2009 17:57:29”

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=151802

This was followed by:
“Various quotes from our infamous leaders--be prepared!

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=151801

Followed by:
BS !!! The crybaby zionists jews and the moslems are the real reason !
Striderus -- Thursday, 30-Apr-2009 21:36:46
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/read/146033

Followed by y favorite:

McCAIN IS A NATURAL AMERICAN CITIZEN......OBAMA IS NOT
Seawitch -- Sat, 2:17 p.m. EDT

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=151790
So, really you’re citing a website about crop circles to argue that Chertoff’s mother was a super secret undercover agent. You watch too many James Bond Movies…I don’t see how you make time for it, between your KKK meetings and your neo-Nazi outings, not to mention your plagiarism and slander campaign.
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Yes that was my bad I misread his statement I apologize.
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drizza wrote:

Yes that was my bad I misread his statement I apologize.


No big deal, I should've checked for myself anyway. I just took your word for it. My bad, Ansar. Still, you're not a physicist and I think that's pretty obvious.
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Knowledge is power
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Dude I was among the people saying he was a bad candidate along with Mccain. The lesser of two evils but I thought Obama would be a lil less intense then Mccain still I dont approve of much what he does. Now as far as him being muslim you can revert back to my last post I questioned those how can he be a muslim when all of his life he was raised as a Christian? Now when you try to link Islam and terrorism then thats a problem but I think you have something confused Nobody here is saying Jewish Religion is corrupt. Just like the extremist/radicals you hate take advantage of the religion their are some Jews who take advantage of the Holocaust. If notice Zionist/Israeli are used. Nobody here is attacking the religion itself dude thats what I am trying to explain to you.


I understand what you’re saying, but it’s factually false. Ansar is linking Chertoff’s Jewish heredity, not a religion but an ethnicity, to terrorism in much the same way people do to Islam. He does not demonstrate any evidence whatsoever that Chertoff was working with Mossad to bomb the towers. He simply points out that Chertoff is a Jew. Why is that relevant?
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Ok thats fair I dont want to answer for him because like I said I am not that good at this topic. He will explain his position man I wish he was still here to as well as much as you do. I am sure he will read all of what you wrote and have a response. I believe he was linking Chertoff with Popular Mechanics but let me re-read it before I put words in someone else mouth.
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drizza wrote:

Ok thats fair I dont want to answer for him because like I said I am not that good at this topic. He will explain his position man I wish he was still here to as well as much as you do. I am sure he will read all of what you wrote and have a response. I believe he was linking Chertoff with Popular Mechanics but let me re-read it before I put words in someone else mouth.


Sorry for getting so aggressive, I was mostly frustrated with my inability to explain why I was so offended. But, he did attempt to connect him to popular Mechanics but he also connected him to Mossad agents supposedly found in America and he connected him to the 9/11 bombings.
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I don't see why someone with Jewish ethnicity or religion is specifically targeted as a "Zionist." Israel is not a Zionist regime as much as all the Arab nations want to scream it. I see a lot of racism and bias towards Jews in general and towards Israel. I'm not saying all criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, but some things are a little off the top in my opinion.

There are a lot of racist conspiracies that the Arab world regurgitates out of it's empiritalistic mouth. I have heard conspiracies that Jews run America and Europe, that the western world is a slave to Jewish intervention. That if a nation supports Israel it's only because Jews are running that nation. I have heard conspiracies that say the holocaust was either fake and propagandized by Jews in order to justify being "Zionist." I have also heard from some that Israel funded the Holocaust to kill off the sick Jews and the ones not bent on world domination. There is a lot of disgusting racial profiling of Jews. Israel is not an evil country, they aren't wicked "Zionists" who are bent on the death of Muslims and the oppression of Palestinian Arabs. The fact is that Israel has a roughly 18% Arab Muslim population that lives peacefully. the media coverage in Palestine and the Middle East is disgusting. Their political cartoons are racist and derogatory. Here are a few from Palestine that are extremely racist towards Jews and even toward's Condeliza Rice because she is black and supports Israel.


This one's great, it shows an Israeli eating a bowl of Palestinian babies.


You can find not just two, but hundreds of racist media cartoons gushing from Gaza http://www.pmw.org.il/car/Animals/c213445.html

There are so many racist conspiracies regarding Jews and Israel. They say Tom and Jerry was a Jewish conspiracy, that Pokemon is a Jewish conspiracy. There are conspiracies and theories floating around that are just disgusting, yet many racists believe them not because they have proof, but because they desperately want t believe them. They hate the Jews, they desperately want to believe that Jews are evil, that Israel is evil, that Palestinians are these innocent little victims of the Zionist regime and that Israel is a peace killer. I never here any praise of Israel for their peace efforts, for the democracy that is amid a bunch of theocracies with restricted freedoms. The Arab world never praises Israel for the good they do, they ignore the facts and push an agenda. They go so far as to literally teach and believe that Israel and America are the big and little satan and must be destroyed so an Imam can come out of a well and slaughter all non Muslims. It's frankly very disgusting and very shielding of the truth. They desperately want to justify their racism and their blind hate for Jews and Israel. Iran calls for their utter destruction, many Middle Eastern countries refuse people who are Israeli or have been to Israel to even enter their own country. What if the US barred all Saudis, Iranians, and others based solely on their race and nation of origin? Would that not be racism? Why is it ok for the nations of Afghanistan, Algeria, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen to block Israelis from their countries or even people who have been to Israel? It's racism, it's disgusting, and it's largely ignored because it's ok for Arabs to hate Jews because Jews are evil wicked Zionists. Their is a massive double standard and much racism towards Jews, Israelis, and even people who support Israel.
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It’s interesting that you bring that up, Digs. There’s actually and Islamic Fatwa from mullahs in Pakistan preventing children from getting polio vaccines because it’s supposedly part of a Jewish conspiracy to conquer the world.

http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1522.htm

Tom and Jerry is a Jewish Conspiracy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40VFcJTIduw

Harry Potter is a Jewish Conspiracy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGsHUfl9xEE

Pepsi is a Jewish Conspiracy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8


And yes, Saudi Arabia’s Higher Committee for Scientific Research and Islamic Law has issued a fatwa against Pokemon claiming that is a Jewish Conspiracy:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3906

As far as the brainwashing, it's all over the Arab/Muslim world but worst in Palestine:

All Zionists are evil murderers and the Jewish gangs want to kill Palestinian children according to Assud the Bunny, head of a television show on Hamas’ official television station:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_UqjYtXmPA&NR=1

Beloved Assud was killed by the Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJORjsgUXgw&feature=related

Nassur the Bear encourages children to become suicide bombers for the military wing of Hamas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nqtKdPqhyk&feature=channel_page

And there’re others.
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Does this movie even talk about Jewish conspiracies or Arab brainwashing?
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Does this movie even talk about Jewish conspiracies or Arab brainwashing?


sort of, it talks about how 9/11 was staged by Bush and how evil America is to the Arab world by blaming Al Qaeda. It believes Arab propaganda and regurgitates it without fact. And plus it's fun to talk about this stuff :3
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Yei wrote:

Does this movie even talk about Jewish conspiracies or Arab brainwashing?


sort of, it talks about how 9/11 was staged by Bush and how evil America is to the Arab world by blaming Al Qaeda. It believes Arab propaganda and regurgitates it without fact. And plus it's fun to talk about this stuff :3


Oh, I already seen it but I didn't remember any Arab propaganda parts. So I just thought it was kind of random for you guys to suddenly bring that stuff up.
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Yei wrote:


digs wrote:


Yei wrote:

Does this movie even talk about Jewish conspiracies or Arab brainwashing?


sort of, it talks about how 9/11 was staged by Bush and how evil America is to the Arab world by blaming Al Qaeda. It believes Arab propaganda and regurgitates it without fact. And plus it's fun to talk about this stuff :3


Oh, I already seen it but I didn't remember any Arab propaganda parts. So I just thought it was kind of random for you guys to suddenly bring that stuff up.


I honestly don't really know how it all came up, I just saw it and jumped in.
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Yei wrote:

Does this movie even talk about Jewish conspiracies or Arab brainwashing?


No, but Ansar says that the Holocaust and 9/11 are parts of Jewish conspiracies and Digs was then pointing out how absurd these Jewish conspiracy theories are and pointed out that most of them started in the Arab world. I just gave four examples. I'm not sure who brought up the brainwashing, but I went with it.
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