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On every standardized test I've ever taken (minus the SAT and ACT) I've been prompted to take a stance on whether school uniforms should be mandatory in my school district and write an essay describing my reasons. I've always taken the Con stance because I don't like wearing any type of uniform or formal clothing. But recently I've been reading about the issue since there are rumors that uniforms will be mandatory in my district eventually (after I graduate hopefully) and have found many sources with conflicting information. Some say that uniforms do drastically improve kids' performance in school, while others say that they have no effect on their academic performance, and some even say that they have negative effects. Everyone that I know personally or make contact with regularly also agrees that they are pointless, including students, teachers and parents, which is why they aren't mandatory in my district. But I've never heard from anyone who actually has/had to wear them, and I'm assuming that at least a few people here do or have had to at some point.
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School uniforms increase student performance because, on a psychological basis, by simply wearing the same uniform everyday you have already acknowleded your school as the authority. By wearing it, you have symbolized that you will listen to whatever the school demands, and obedient students are, by nature, "better" students. In another angle, by wearing the uniform u have become "one" with the school, and its identity is tied to yourself. As such, you will care about the school and its performance more than usual.

Of course, i still believe that even though there is this increase in performance, forcing people to wear uniforms in a public school is a violation of our freedom. (at least in the U.S.)
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Posted 7/21/09 , edited 7/21/09

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I've herd people say that with uniforms students focus less on their cloths and more on their work.

In my kindergarten-8th grade school after 8 years of not having to wear them, we were forced to wear them starting our 8th grade year (a new school policy, not district one) and all we did was complain about it and protest it and get suspended and get detention for not wearing them, and we literally got nothing accomplished during the first few weeks of school until the principal finally got rid of the policy after the rest of the school refused to wear them along with us. Also, I don't think any kid who has problems focusing in school is that way because they spend all their classes staring at people's clothes.


Also, most agree that they look more presentable and not only that, are usually less costly than regular clothing.

Kids will still want/need clothes outside of school, and I doubt they will wear their uniforms all day every day. So they have to buy uniforms on top of regular clothes, increasing the cost.



Another reason is probably because of the fact that students have been jumped for their cloths on the way to and from school. I've herd of incidents where kids have gotten their shoes, jackets, and jewelery stolen so I figure if everyone looks the same then these problems can be avoided.


If kids are so undisciplined that stealing is a huge problem in a school, then chances are theres also a lot of violence and insubordination going on as well. Making uniforms mandatory would just make them get in trouble for not wearing them since they most likely wont, and it definitely wont fix all the other problems.




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School uniforms increase student performance because, on a psychological basis, by simply wearing the same uniform everyday you have already acknowleded your school as the authority. By wearing it, you have symbolized that you will listen to whatever the school demands, and obedient students are, by nature, "better" students. In another angle, by wearing the uniform u have become "one" with the school, and its identity is tied to yourself. As such, you will care about the school and its performance more than usual.

Of course, i still believe that even though there is this increase in performance, forcing people to wear uniforms in a public school is a violation of our freedom. (at least in the U.S.)


A uniform alone won't cause kids to behave that way. That stems from proper discipline, which is the responsibility of parents and teachers to enforce. Undisciplined kids won't become perfect students just because you put them in uniforms. Uniforms are a result of discipline, not a cause of it.
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here in Los Angeles they make you wear uniforms so you cant flash gang colors in elementary but high school is what ever as long as its not baggy or nude pictures on the cloths
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I hate them :O
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Never had to wear a uniform in school, Although I would have liked to have it...just because I hated finding clothes to wear, I usually just took whatever was clean
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Cuddlebuns wrote:

On every standardized test I've ever taken (minus the SAT and ACT) I've been prompted to take a stance on whether school uniforms should be mandatory in my school district and write an essay describing my reasons. I've always taken the Con stance because I don't like wearing any type of uniform or formal clothing. But recently I've been reading about the issue since there are rumors that uniforms will be mandatory in my district eventually (after I graduate hopefully) and have found many sources with conflicting information. Some say that uniforms do drastically improve kids' performance in school, while others say that they have no effect on their academic performance, and some even say that they have negative effects. Everyone that I know personally or make contact with regularly also agrees that they are pointless, including students, teachers and parents, which is why they aren't mandatory in my district. But I've never heard from anyone who actually has/had to wear them, and I'm assuming that at least a few people here do or have had to at some point.


Well, it’s about discipline. They enacted uniform laws in Japan, very strict ones, along with other rules regulating behavior. These rules are largely unnecessary. For example, a law saying that before heading to an arcade after school children must first report home even if their parents know they’re going to the arcade. Uniform laws concerning publics schools are the same thing, they’re just trying to program children to acknowledge social rules. I personally think this is a good thing. Japan is the second most economically powerful nation in the world, second to America. Considering that Japan is a tiny archipelago with a minute population compared to many other nations, and relies on America for military and disaster control, I think this is impressive. I accredit their success to their cultural ethos of discipline. I think we should emulate their sucsess.
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Well, it’s about discipline. They enacted uniform laws in Japan, very strict ones, along with other rules regulating behavior. These rules are largely unnecessary. For example, a law saying that before heading to an arcade after school children must first report home even if their parents know they’re going to the arcade. Uniform laws concerning publics schools are the same thing, they’re just trying to program children to acknowledge social rules. I personally think this is a good thing. Japan is the second most economically powerful nation in the world, second to America. Considering that Japan is a tiny archipelago with a minute population compared to many other nations, and relies on America for military and disaster control, I think this is impressive. I accredit their success to their cultural ethos of discipline. I think we should emulate their sucsess.


While I do agree that their discipline is admirable and would like to see the same in the U.S, I don't think that making a bunch of already bad kids wear uniforms will suddenly make them into little angels. Japanese kids are that disciplined because they were raised that way by their parents and their society, not just because they wear uniforms. If American kids were even half as disciplined as Japanese kids then I could see why uniforms would be useful, but since they aren't (I would say "we" but I grew out of my bad kid phase a long time ago) then uniforms are a pointless. Discipline starts at home from the day kids are old enough to start taking responsibility for some of their actions (which IMO would be when they start walking), not when they start school.

Also, another problem with such a high level of discipline is high expectations. I think it would be a sad world if any grade less than an A was considered bad.
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chzna wrote:

School uniforms increase student performance because, on a psychological basis, by simply wearing the same uniform everyday you have already acknowleded your school as the authority. By wearing it, you have symbolized that you will listen to whatever the school demands, and obedient students are, by nature, "better" students. In another angle, by wearing the uniform u have become "one" with the school, and its identity is tied to yourself. As such, you will care about the school and its performance more than usual.

Of course, i still believe that even though there is this increase in performance, forcing people to wear uniforms in a public school is a violation of our freedom. (at least in the U.S.)


this is like he said the basis of the human structure, before variable such as environment come into play. This would be correct for someone who is influenced only by good (assuming thats even possible hahah not). the that actually happening is close to zero. but that does not mean it not correct.

and uniforms, when i was in school we where never issued uniforms, unless you count JROTC, instead they gave us a dress code. A collard shirt that must always be tucked in, most of the time the would prefer polo shirts. this was a must until 9th grade. once we became high schoolers things went well, i mean i could see both problems with having a uniform and not having one

if you had a uniform, saying it would be something like we had to wear for JROTC and even thats going a bit off the scale, it was often hard to move and do anything, but that was because we had to keep it clean for inspection. IT WASNT THAT BAD! we only had to wear it every other Wednesday but still it wasnt that bad.

then when people didnt have a uniform but still had a dress code, people would often get in trouble for bringing unauthorized things to school like hats, beenies, suggestive t shirts, you know. and i heard my share of these problems most of them in class.


to sum it all up having a uniform to me wouldn't change the scale in any others favor. its just too minor honestly things have been working why not just leave them? and your correct when you say that waking up in the morning to "what am i gonna wear," for 4 years gets really hard especially when you run out of clothes.

hahah parenting oh man thats a different issue. i believe that, it is 90% of the way a child acts and 10 % is the environment that they have to live in. ive seen it all every different type of stereotype commonly displayed with ones that where different and the one thing i noticed that was different from me, was the way thier parents acted and how they lived.

oh and japan it can all be summed up like this "you give to get," they get less freedom, stricter rules, and thier suicide rate is a tad bit higher than ours. but look at how much they have compared to us. I mean c'mon to them fail = suicide (not all the time but it happens quite a bit YOU KNOW IT). I have friends whos parents wont accept anything under an A even in the hardest classes on campus. Ive seen my friends rip themselves apart FOR A B IN A CLASS THAT I HAVE A C ALMOST B IN! (im above average intelligence) ive seen alot of transfer students from the east side of the world and 85% of the time they out preform the top students and they arent stupid.(just to clarify) they are like that for a reason, all you have to do is compare their style of living with ours and you'll see the difference. but this is a very large issue. its just my 2 cents.

fresh of high school boat woot Class of 09 hahah. our class sucked.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:

While I do agree that their discipline is admirable and would like to see the same in the U.S, I don't think that making a bunch of already bad kids wear uniforms will suddenly make them into little angels. Japanese kids are that disciplined because they were raised that way by their parents and their society, not just because they wear uniforms. If American kids were even half as disciplined as Japanese kids then I could see why uniforms would be useful, but since they aren't (I would say "we" but I grew out of my bad kid phase a long time ago) then uniforms are a pointless. Discipline starts at home from the day kids are old enough to start taking responsibility for some of their actions (which IMO would be when they start walking), not when they start school.

Also, another problem with such a high level of discipline is high expectations. I think it would be a sad world if any grade less than an A was considered bad.


You’re missing my point. I was not trying to suggest that uniforms are a magical solution to all of our problems. Japanese children grow up to be obedient, functioning, and healthy contributions to society because of their culture of discipline. I was simply pointing out that one aspect composing this cultural ethos of discipline is the uniform. No, I don’t think that requiring a uniform will make bad kids turn good.

However, by steadily implementing our public schools to engender a more structured air and bring children up in a culture of discipline we can eventually emulate the success of similar laws enacted elsewhere. Japan was only one example.

You can’t just say that because this won’t solve the immediate problem we shouldn’t consider it at all. Even if it does not benefit the children in school already it may begin to do so for future students. At my old school they decided to order new desks, we were at a shortage and students were being forced to share.

Some studies suggest that school uniforms may also serve these purposes:

Preventing lost children during school field trips and functions by allowing them to be more easily spotted and identified.
Boost school performance by allowing children more time to worry about homework than what to wear the next day. (Mostly for girls I’m assuming.)
Breed school pride by allowing students to more easily identify with their classmates. (Kind of like a gang, right?)
Remove distractions in class. (Girls wearing suggestive attires, men with bizarre hairstyles, individuals with t-shirts containing long lists with tiny letters that are hard to read.)
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I don't like them. I find all the black and white makes the environment around the school boring and repetitive.
It's also horribly uncomfortable which is indeed a distraction in class. Especially if it's hot and you've been outside for lunch. Your black trousers have absorbed the heat and your shirt is trapping perspiration.

Plus, in our school's case the uniform has led to other completely irrelevant changes. Like house systems. This isn't fucking Harry Potter and nobody actually gives a shit. Pardon my French.

People say it can band pupils together because nobody's separated into cliques by what they wear. Not true, pupils will always find a way to make a uniform their own, and if the school puts in sanctions to deal with that I think it's really going overboard. Who is my principal to tell me how I can style my hair, anyway?

It's not a money saver either. I spent £200 on uniform before the summer in addition to buying clothes for the weekend and after hours... Even though those clothes will last me a year or two, so did a lot of my casual clothes before, anyway, and I'll still buy new casual clothes at the same rate because of the trends.
I would NEVER otherwise spend £200 in one go on clothes.

And sure it makes it easier to identify truants, but it sure as hell means a lot more paperwork for the receptionist if a pupil has left school for an appointment and is reported (as experienced by a few friends of mine), and I know my shit. If I want to skive I throw on a denim skirt over my trousers and slip them off and I'm invisible. Easy.
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hooho......................i hate my school uniform...but i love my school
Posted 7/24/09
I would honestly not mind them. Yeah kids have been jumped for what they're wearing and well I think it would be a solution to some problems. Personally, I hate having to find stuff to wear so if I had a uniform I wouldn't have to worry about it. And actually, yes people DO get distracted by clothing, I would much rather read a guy's shirt than pay attention in Algebra class.
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Posted 7/24/09
i love my new uniform. its a green plaid skirt and navy polo. and the skirts are wayy short. ^_^
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uniforms make it easy as hell to get ready in the mornings
but the uniforms are always ugly.
i wore school uniforms up until i transfered junior year.
i prefer them to be honest.
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