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Posted 11/1/10

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Yes, because I am tired of seeing skanky bitches at school flaunt their spoiled nothings.


I have heard that 'skanky bitches' is a very profitable career in these dark times.

There is always much to be praised for a person to have, at such tender an age, to choose already a career.


I am quite sure that you are using sarcasm. =]
Oh no, it's not like school girl fetish and deification of youth has anything to do with "assisted dating" in Japan. [/sarcasm]
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What were you implying? I meant the kids in America.....most don't have respect for their bodies...or the public eye....
Posted 11/1/10 , edited 11/1/10

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What were you implying? I meant the kids in America.....most don't have respect for their bodies...or the public eye....
Is their view about themselves primarily of their own invention? Or that's how the greater society perceived them as with the culture of consumerism, and they just merely internalized it without question through reflection hypothesis:

The transformation of first-wave American feminism from a collective movement to a matter of personal style involved a thorough redefinition of early feminist goals: a redirection of women's societal participation from voting to spending, a recasting of sexuality as silly sexiness, an educational shift away from reform and toward consumerism. The close parallels between media imagery and the actual behavior of Americans enabled media of the era to "report" these changes as reality. But these redefinitions were, to a great extent, constructed and articulated in mass media themselves.

This is precisely the case Susan Faludi has made about the role of mass media in the "backlash" against the second wave of the American women's movement. Indeed, the very same media redefinitions of the meaning of the New Woman in media of the first three decades of the century can be seen in Time's treatment of feminism during the last three decades.

Tracing the visual representation of this transformation is the goal of this book. Its subject is a broad period of history and a vast body of media, and the visual and verbal texts discussed here are clearly selective, not exhaustive. Yet all of the images were chosen through extensive research into their biographical, institutional, and historical contexts—that is, the artists, the magazines, and the culture and politics of the era. A range of primary sources from the artists' own era as well as secondary sources (the work of other historians) were used to "read" the imagery with regard to those contexts.

Studying mass media requires "a kind of intellectual bricolage" (to borrow T. J. Jackson Lears's description of his own history of advertising).[53] That is true of this work, which draws on scholarship in the fields of history, literature, and sociology as well as communication; it is theoretically grounded in visual and rhetorical theory as well as cultural studies.[54] Methodologically, it is less a "content analysis" (in which certain specific elements are quantified within a given text) than what journalism historian Marion Marzolf called "content assessment"—a process of "reading, sifting, weighing, comparing and analyzing the evidence in order to tell the story."[55](citation)
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Posted 11/1/10
all the school i've been on wears school uniform.. they say it is so that discipline and formality is enforced.. i guess on my opinion it is better because i don't have to worry on what clothes i have to wear the next day.. though it would be a great bummer if the school uniform of the school you go to sucks.. my new school does.. well whatever.. it's my last year anyway..
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Posted 11/2/10
In my opinion school uniforms are very important. Otherwise dere would be differences among da studnts. It gives a feeling of unity in them. it also increases dicipline.
Posted 11/26/10 , edited 11/26/10
Personally, I think it would depend on whether or not you grew up using them. I transferred to a uniform school a few months ago, and most of the other students seemed fine with it. Their grades were the same as mine, so I doubt that you actually gain anything from them besides being easy to find in a crowd. I actually noticed that the students there were more uncivilized and broke rules more often than kids in my public, uniform-less school (Quite frankly, the dicipline Sucked) . It wasn't because it was a worse neighborhood, both of them were very safe and sought after.

I hated my uniform, ( I moved again) it was hideous and made me feel like an inmate
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Posted 11/27/10
Heck in the USA kids might as well be in prison uniform. There indoctrinated at such a young age at government funded and run school they have to hit there thirties to start to think for them selfs. Then again free thought and speech being your own person. Living with the decision they make in in many cases decision that other made while growing up. Life has never been fair nor will ever be some thing I wish younger people would understand very early on in life they be far better off. So kid might as well wear prison uniform as long as they are taught in the government current fashion.
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Posted 11/27/10
I really dont think school uniforms have much of an effect on anything. The difference lies in the school itself and quite honestly culture and how each individual kid was raised. I only had to wear a uniform during preschool and for 1 semester after preschool, then it was removed due to students and parents not wanting the uniform being implemented. Granted i did not go to school in the US for most of my life and i can honestly say i dont remember my school having many disciplinary issues with students. Where i grew up, schools were simply there to educate children in sciences, language and math. Mannerisms and proper behavior was on the parents responsibility, everyone was expected to behave and perform at a certain level, and if they did not they simply fell behind or would be removed from the school. Quite simple, if someone is a problem, they are not a problem for very long making everyone responsible for their actions.

As for uniforms showing kids they are all the same is a lie, people will always try to show there are differences between them. Clothes is just one aspect of it, some kids will be more popular, others will be wealthier, better educated and they will find a way to express themselves as an individual regardless of whether a uniform is present or not. The only thing a uniform wil help is people dressing properly when going to class, and not having to deal with inappropriate clothing. But at the same time thats something that can be stopped by a dress code.

Personally i don't think there is anything to gain as a school from having a uniform, now as an individual thats a different issue. Some people will like it and other will not. It could help parents save money by not having to spend that much money on clothes for the kid as they grow up, considering kids go through clothes quickly due to how quickly they grow through the years till they reach their maximum hight.
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Posted 11/27/10 , edited 11/27/10

tarakelly wrote:

Heck in the USA kids might as well be in prison uniform. There indoctrinated at such a young age at government funded and run school they have to hit there thirties to start to think for them selfs. Then again free thought and speech being your own person. Living with the decision they make in in many cases decision that other made while growing up. Life has never been fair nor will ever be some thing I wish younger people would understand very early on in life they be far better off. So kid might as well wear prison uniform as long as they are taught in the government current fashion.


Indoctrination by our government (who, for 70% of the time, can't even agree on anything within itself)? Certainly that great evil is better off gone, replaced by funding from some benevolent private charity or a kind corporate entity-

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Posted 11/27/10
Uniforms show to me whether a school is uniformly wealthy or uniformly poor. Uniforms = wealthier school district. Dress Code = poorer.
Posted 11/27/10

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Uniforms show to me whether a school is uniformly wealthy or uniformly poor. Uniforms = wealthier school district. Dress Code = poorer.
And teen fashion mags = consumerists. It's social status for everyone but the nudists, who got their own beach all for themselves at my hometown:

Wait a sec, can the birthday suit be the default uniform for humanity?
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Posted 11/28/10

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On every standardized test I've ever taken (minus the SAT and ACT) I've been prompted to take a stance on whether school uniforms should be mandatory in my school district and write an essay describing my reasons. I've always taken the Con stance because I don't like wearing any type of uniform or formal clothing. But recently I've been reading about the issue since there are rumors that uniforms will be mandatory in my district eventually (after I graduate hopefully) and have found many sources with conflicting information. Some say that uniforms do drastically improve kids' performance in school, while others say that they have no effect on their academic performance, and some even say that they have negative effects. Everyone that I know personally or make contact with regularly also agrees that they are pointless, including students, teachers and parents, which is why they aren't mandatory in my district. But I've never heard from anyone who actually has/had to wear them, and I'm assuming that at least a few people here do or have had to at some point.


I am from Hong Kong where it is mandatory to wear uniforms. I believe it gives more pride to the school as a student and you feel more "part" of the school, since you have their logo all over what you're wearing. It does also help in distinguishing people when you're out after school. Like if you're on the road and you see this same guy/girl all the time and he/she has the same uniform then it'd be easier to connect and say hi.

On an Academic Performance rating, I'd say that in some ways it does. Since when people can wear what they want to school, they gain individuality, and although not bad, people want to be different and try new things. Eventually that could lead to delinquency and many other things. For example, we actually had one year where our school tried a no-uniform rule. Girls started becoming more daring and wearing mini-skirts and guys started sagging their jeans and doing things that were inappropriate.

The Uniform rule was reinstated again the next year, and it seemed there was less trouble. This happens usually because people who have a natural tendency to disregard rules stand out, and then they attract others or encourage others to be just like them. When everyone has to wear uniforms, they can't be as individual (unless they don't wear the uniform, in which case they'd get kicked out of our school anyways)

My take on it anyhow.
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Posted 11/28/10

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Uniforms show to me whether a school is uniformly wealthy or uniformly poor. Uniforms = wealthier school district. Dress Code = poorer.
And teen fashion mags = consumerists. It's social status for everyone but the nudists, who got their own beach all for themselves at my hometown:

Wait a sec, can the birthday suit be the default uniform for humanity?


It absolutely could.
Posted 11/28/10

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It absolutely could.
Well then I don't know about how you would feel, but I think we got ourselves here a categorical ground to establish real equality and acceptance among humanity.
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Posted 11/29/10
I'm lazy in the morning. I would love to have a uniform. I wouldn't have to worry about what to wear. Easy mmmhmmm.
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