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Right now in the US there is a bill that Obama is vehemently trying to pass asap that would give America socialized health care. The bill would raise taxes on the US citizens exponentially, but it would remove medical costs by having everyone have access to free government healthcare. Obama is trying to pass it now, but when that didn't happen he says he will pass it before the year is over. What are you thoughts on the issue and is this a good thing for America?
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Socialized health care would be great for the US. But I don't know the specifics of this bill, so I can't comment on it.
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Yei wrote:

Socialized health care would be great for the US. But I don't know the specifics of this bill, so I can't comment on it.


I agree that the concept of free healthcare is a good thing, but in this bill it is very scary to me. The government would have complete control over everyone's health care, dictating what treatments can be used and what drugs can be given. Here is some research that was done on the specific bill in the US government http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2114.cfm. What worries me is that the US government has mismanaged medicare and medicade (both of these are health care packages for the elderly, poor, and uninsured who can't afford healthcare). They have bankrupted these government programs and they are highly inefficient. I feel that Obama is trying too hard to pass it immediately (personally because I feel he wants to do it before his popularity falls too low). My opinion on the current bill is that it will ruin the US healthcare system, give government more power over our lives, cost waaayyyy too much when the US doesn't have the money to fund it, and that it will give everyone inferior health care for a much higher price.
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digs wrote:

Right now in the US there is a bill that Obama is vehemently trying to pass asap that would give America socialized health care. The bill would raise taxes on the US citizens exponentially, but it would remove medical costs by having everyone have access to free government healthcare. Obama is trying to pass it now, but when that didn't happen he says he will pass it before the year is over. What are you thoughts on the issue and is this a good thing for America?


I dont know to much about this but wouldn't doctors get paid less if this passes. If thats the case we would wait in even longer to get treated because the medical field is like a business if they aint getting paid they really dont give a damn. My friend at work said many people come to the US for healthcare treatment because they recieve it faster vs socialized health care is this true?
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Yei wrote:

Socialized health care would be great for the US. But I don't know the specifics of this bill, so I can't comment on it.


I agree that the concept of free healthcare is a good thing, but in this bill it is very scary to me. The government would have complete control over everyone's health care, dictating what treatments can be used and what drugs can be given. Here is some research that was done on the specific bill in the US government http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2114.cfm. What worries me is that the US government has mismanaged medicare and medicade (both of these are health care packages for the elderly, poor, and uninsured who can't afford healthcare). They have bankrupted these government programs and they are highly inefficient. I feel that Obama is trying too hard to pass it immediately (personally because I feel he wants to do it before his popularity falls too low). My opinion on the current bill is that it will ruin the US healthcare system, give government more power over our lives, cost waaayyyy too much when the US doesn't have the money to fund it, and that it will give everyone inferior health care for a much higher price.


Doesn't really sound like it's the ideal health care system...

There probably is some other agenda behind it if Obama is trying really hard to pass it. lol I'm glad I live in Canada, the health care here is already great and free.
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Posted 7/23/09 , edited 7/23/09

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digs wrote:

Right now in the US there is a bill that Obama is vehemently trying to pass asap that would give America socialized health care. The bill would raise taxes on the US citizens exponentially, but it would remove medical costs by having everyone have access to free government healthcare. Obama is trying to pass it now, but when that didn't happen he says he will pass it before the year is over. What are you thoughts on the issue and is this a good thing for America?


I dont know to much about this but wouldn't doctors get paid less if this passes. If thats the case we would wait in even longer to get treated because the medical field is like a business if they aint getting paid they really dont give a damn. My friend at work said many people come to the US for healthcare treatment because they recieve it faster vs socialized health care is this true?


That's pretty much true. Under this bill the government basically will control all of your medical needs and tax you for it. In other countries the waiting lists to get treated can be up to two years. When most people in the UK or Canada get a serious illness they come to the US to have it treated because it will be done faster, more efficiently, and the doctors will be able to treat them based on what they believe the patient needs. Under this bill the government will ration who gets what. Based on your age they will allot certain procedures to be done. If you are a retired person and get cancer, the government will pay less money for you because you're a senior and not worth (economically) as much to them. It will also limit what doctors can prescribe for certain medical problems. In cases were more expensive medicine will help with a condition, the government will step in and force the doctor to proscribe something else that may help but not be as good. The bill basically gives the government the power over you health and the right to tax you and businesses to pay for it.It means bigger government, less medical freedoms, and the complete control over a doctors decisions.

@Yei: I personally do believe there is another agenda behind this one. I think Obama wants to control people, he wants bigger government and to control the lives and businesses of Americans. I think he wants to pass it so fast because he fears that if his popularity goes down below a majority that he will loose the passing of his bill. It's all about more power and bigger government (which means less freedom), it's a form of socialism and a restriction of human medical rights under the guise of the government "helping" people.
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Well I dont know about control people I mean president Bush didnt do any part to shrink government as well in fact he tapped into peoples personal lives with the patriot act. I believe he is taking the wrong approach in a battered economy, two wars being fought, huge deficit why do we keep increasing this and where is all this money coming from? We have too many IOU's and our dollar is declining thats why prices is going up everywhere along with minimum wages. This will hurt small business as they have to play their employees higher prices. We have to cut spending somewhere and so far I dont believe the Republicrats have a solution for any of this. Bush and Obama both threw money at every problem and still we are in the same predicament.
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I do think universal healthcare would be a good thing, but I don't think this is a good time to start it because of our current economic situation. Personally I think it should've been implemented a long time ago when we actually had enough money to do it.




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@Yei: I personally do believe there is another agenda behind this one. I think Obama wants to control people, he wants bigger government and to control the lives and businesses of Americans. I think he wants to pass it so fast because he fears that if his popularity goes down below a majority that he will loose the passing of his bill. It's all about more power and bigger government (which means less freedom), it's a form of socialism and a restriction of human medical rights under the guise of the government "helping" people.


So he's restricting our rights by helping everyone stay alive without drowning in debt? And this bill will completely wipe out all privately owned hospitals?
Posted 7/23/09
To be honest i don't care one way or another if not for my parents and still living at home I would not have any health care at all.
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It is a bad plan for a number of reasons. 1: America has spent too much money since Obama came in office, we don't need another giant expenditure. 2: Yes doctors etc would make less, making them that less motivated to provide decent care. This is a problem is most of the nations that use a system like this. 3: Taxes are already high enough and it isn't like they haven't increased on a number of things since Obama came in already.

Ultimately is this bill good? Maybe it is, but right now is not the time for it.
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Yeah! Let's hand over control of our health too! I mean look at the government..It's done such a wonderful job with Social Security, The economy, The war in Iraq..Boy I can't wait till we have socialized health care! /sarcasm

BTW In case you haven't caught my drift..I'm against Socialization of health care, reason one. The government messes EVERYTHING up...Why in the nine hells would you want them to control our health care system? Reason two, They drove the economy into the ground, so let's give them our health so they can drive that into the ground too, Reason three, As an Emergency Medical Technician this bill is horrific, not only for me but doctors, nurses, Paramedics, and any other healthcare provider. Socialized health care mean's no competition in the health care field which means dramatic huge cuts in pay for our health care providers, which will ultimately lead to a significant drop in good health care. As it stand's right now the only people to benefit from this dumb bill are the poor. Don't get me wrong, They deserve health care just as much as anyone else, but risking the jobs of billions of people, and causing a drop in quality health care just so that everyone has access to health care is just horrible. The con's WAYYY out weigh the pro's when it come's to socialism.
Posted 7/23/09

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2: Yes doctors etc would make less, making them that less motivated to provide decent care.


Even the hospitals that are well-funded do a crappy job. For example, Cedars Medical Center, which is known now as University of Miami Hospital. They can't even fix their service elevators properly.
They have a lot of patients that develop bed ulcers. And, when it goes worse, they chunk these patients to Jackson Memorial Hospital.

How do I know?
I used to be a trainee, intern, and a worker for both sides.
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That is exactly my point. If it is that bad now how much worse do you think it will be when they have no monetary motivation to boot?
Posted 7/24/09
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Hmm so what should we do then, that's a nice rant u have there but what you do to change health care because it does need to be changed in this country. Paying 500 bucks for a bottle of meds with out health-care is a little crazy.
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Sure, Health care does need a reform, Just not Obama's Socialist reform. Obama has done nothing good since he took office, he's spent billions of dollars and what have we gotten from it? Absolutely nothing. The sad part is, most people are blind to his blatant misuse of federal funds, mostly because he is one hell of a speaker, he's very charismatic...That's part of the reason why he was voted in. Sorry about going a bit off topic there, but it really sickens me to see such a horrible president get such high praises.
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