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Affirmative Action is not a good thing?
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Posted 7/24/09
"Affirmative Action only the racist care about the persons race."

'Now in my opinion Affirmative action is not the best way to go about things. What is the race of a parson matter?
Wen it comes down to it Affirmatice action does nothing more than promote racism. A person should get a job or get into school do to there skills. If a person better than me it would not matter what race or sex they are, they get the job before me. That is why puting your race and sex box on the paper work is racism. If I work my ass off why should some black guy who can hardly do the job get it befor me? That is why the hole Quota thing is bullshit!

You find that 99% of the world will hire someone that will get the job done and done right, over someone there own race. Because busness is about making money, and that is just the cold hard facts. Affirmative action just a bad tool that does more harm than good.

What is your Opinion on my opinion of Affirmative action.


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Posted 7/24/09
Affirmative action is another case of America letting a policy that was good at one time stay around too long and turn into a diabolical monster that is now doing more harm than good. It gets really hard to swallow that America is a nation that will be racist if a watchdog group isn't on us 24/7 when we just elected an African American president.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

"Affirmative Action only the racist care about the persons race."

'Now in my opinion Affirmative action is not the best way to go about things. What is the race of a parson matter?
Wen it comes down to it Affirmatice action does nothing more than promote racism. A person should get a job or get into school do to there skills. If a person better than me it would not matter what race or sex they are, they get the job before me. That is why puting your race and sex box on the paper work is racism. If I work my ass off why should some black guy who can hardly do the job get it befor me? That is why the hole Quota thing is bullshit!

You find that 99% of the world will hire someone that will get the job done and done right, over someone there own race. Because busness is about making money, and that is just the cold hard facts. Affirmative action just a bad tool that does more harm than good.

What is your Opinion on my opinion of Affirmative action.


Well, I don’t like what affirmative action has become. It’s now essentially ‘positive prejudice.’ I don’t like that. The original affirmative action was enacted by an African American republican. The idea was to boost damage done to African American communities from when Woodrow Wilson fired every single African America employed by the federal government in 1912. They did this by injecting money into the system of black communities allowing for the creation of new business and thus jobs. African American’s, studies show, have a harder time getting jobs than white people. But if you create more jobs they won’t have to compete with whites. Then everyone’s happy. Now the approach is to put them at an advantage over white people on an individual, personal level. Most importantly…it’s not working.
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Karkarov wrote:

Affirmative action is another case of America letting a policy that was good at one time stay around too long and turn into a diabolical monster that is now doing more harm than good. It gets really hard to swallow that America is a nation that will be racist if a watchdog group isn't on us 24/7 when we just elected an African American president.


People aren’t against Obama because he’s black. They’re against Obama because he’s an extreme leftist. I think many people who consider themselves democrats are more closely related to republicans than they realize. They’re just too busy focusing on more modern issues like gay marriage to notice. Obama’s demonstrating this for them since all of his opinions are pretty much one hundred percent democrat EXCEPT that he’s against gay rights to get married.
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Seraph people being against Obama wasn't my point, I didn't even mention it even. My point is that affirmative action has long outlived it's point (which you agree on in another post) and that it is hard to consider America a nation of white supremacists when the president isn't white. If racism was half as bad as the NAACP wants you to believe then Obama never would have been a canidate for the presidency, much less won.
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People aren’t against Obama because he’s black. They’re against Obama because he’s an extreme leftist. I think many people who consider themselves democrats are more closely related to republicans than they realize. They’re just too busy focusing on more modern issues like gay marriage to notice. Obama’s demonstrating this for them since all of his opinions are pretty much one hundred percent democrat EXCEPT that he’s against gay rights to get married.


Seraph people being against Obama wasn't my point, I didn't even mention it even. My point is that affirmative action has long outlived it's point (which you agree on in another post) and that it is hard to consider America a nation of white supremacists when the president isn't white. If racism was half as bad as the NAACP wants you to believe then Obama never would have been a canidate for the presidency, much less won.

African Americans make up less than 13% of our population, but about seventy percent of our prison population. African Americans are more likely to experience police brutality and more likely to be given the death sentence for a lighter charge, even though about 90% of serial killers are white. A recent study sent fake resumes to a private business all across America. Some of the resumes had traditional African American names while others traditionally Caucasian names. The African American names were all more qualified but fewer were called back. This showed that even if a white person is less qualified, even with affirmative action –trying- to counter balance, African Americans are still less likely to be hired simply because they’re more qualified for the job.

In another study two dolls were brought into several kindergarten and pre-school classes. The dolls were identical except one was lack and one was white. When asked which doll was the ugly one children of all ethnicities pointed at the black child. In other nations and cultures the responses were more diverse.

In another study police officers were hooked up to a virtual simulator program which would portray people in a dark neighborhood popping up with one of two items in their hand: a cell phone or a gun. Shooting armed suspects gained them points, while harming unarmed suspects lost them points. The police were told this was the purpose of the simulation. However, the real test was to see who they were mostly likely to shoot by ‘mistake,’ based strictly on gut reaction based on race. All police-blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians-were significantly more likely to open fire on the blacks than any other ethnicity for no immediately apparent reason.

Racism is still a major issue, don't pretend it's not. We've had a lot of presidents. That only one of them has been PART African American and that he won only because he was running against Bush's clone does not in anyway show that racism is gone. It's progress, but there's still room for improvement. Oh yes, a LOT of room.
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http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2304-DC-Republican-Examiner~y2009m6d27-Morgan-Freeman-Why-do-we-need-a-Black-History-Month-I-am-an-American

Morgan freeman is one of my favourite actors and this is why.

I think the quota system is bullshit and it significantly bias towards WASP's and other white people. This causes discrepancies in universities which also adds fuel to the fire in forms of prejudice and disrespect. Also since the people who are really shafted, say the WASP who would have made the university cut if not for the quota system would for the rest of his have some rascism develop due to human nature in blaming others.

The best way to promote the end of racism is to stop thinking about race itself and just think logically that we really all are human beings.
Sure it's hard. But person by person it'll slowly work. Think about it, it's been less then 50 years since the civil rights movements, we have progressed, we can make a difference but we're still in a transition period. People who remember black lynching are still alive but soon enough the generation that had so much hate will be replaced by us, and we can teach our children, friends, grandchildren and juniors to embrace each other as human beings instead of just highlighting our differences.
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Oedi wrote:
The best way to promote the end of racism is to stop thinking about race itself and just think logically that we really all are human beings.
Sure it's hard. But person by person it'll slowly work. Think about it, it's been less then 50 years since the civil rights movements, we have progressed, we can make a difference but we're still in a transition period. People who remember black lynching are still alive but soon enough the generation that had so much hate will be replaced by us, and we can teach our children, friends, grandchildren and juniors to embrace each other as human beings instead of just highlighting our differences.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

For the record the town I live in has serious problems with drug dealing. My cousin used to run an apartment complex in town that was constantly staked out by police because multiple known dealers who were under investigation lived there. Of those dealers my cousin told me when I asked about them that all but 3 of them were black, we are talking out of like 15 people. What am I supposed to say in response to that? It isn't my fault the majority of the dealers happened to be black. It wasn't racist to say that either, it was just the way it was. Every one of them under investigation eventually got arrested too, their racial make up had nothing to do with it they didn't let the three white dealers off.

The real reason those cops were more likely to "unconsciously" fire at the black person was because in inner city/ghetto areas the majority of the offenders are black. They are more used to seeing a black person commit a crime. Doesn't it strike you as odd that even the black cops (I assume they were allowed to participate) showed the same tendency? Random small scale short sighted studies prove nothing except what the person doing the study wants them to prove. Is it sad and regrettable that most African Americans grow up in bad neighborhoods filled with poverty, crime, and pressure to join gangs? Yes, it is no two ways about it. However I do not believe Gandalf is standing at the skid row exit screaming "You shall not pass!". It is hard, very very hard, to work your way out of that kind of place, but it can be done. Statistically speaking most African American youths though will instead of doing that work sign up with a gang and go off doing what gangs do, and now we back at square one.

Either way I don't see a need to continue on the thread I already made my point and don't want to turn this into a something beyond the scope of the topic. Or into something that may become offensive to users. If you want to continue the discussion you can pm me.

Posted 7/25/09
Personally, I think it's rather counter-productive and it's fraught with flaws. Albeit it would be nefarious of me to claim that judgements aren't based on personal prejudices, but affirmative action is doing exactly that what it is trying to fight; promoting segregation even further. Instead of trying to find a way to make everyone equal it's a system of which the main purpose is to literally point out the poignant differences between every individual. Instead of taking the mild way of realpolitik it's trying to go with ideological notions, and puts an individual's social and ethnic background over his intellectual capacities, and practical performances. Which in turn completely devalues meritocracy and only encourages our focus on trivial matters such as race.
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'SO in the end everyone does agree that it is counter-productive and is not needed?'
Posted 7/27/09
It was needed back then, but not any more.
Posted 7/28/09
Affirmative Action is indeed a double-edged sword. People who bolster for it are just trying to hard, from my point of view. Equality is just too far for humanity's ken. Unfair precedences will occur invariably.
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counter-productive!


That is what it is.
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It's really not.
It's not even reverse racism, it's just racism.
But the more uncommon type; against whites.
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On one hand I feel that it used to be necessary but now it's just racism, on the other hand I'm glad that I can get tons of scholarships just for being black (and for being a male, surprisingly).
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