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Gay People Belong on the Back of the Bus!
Posted 7/25/09

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I don't think homosexuals deserve civil unions. It isn't marriage and shouldn't be treated as such. They may have it be a committed sexual relationship between two men/women, but it isn't marriage and it isn't a family. Just a perversion with a commitment. Something that isn't marriage doesn't deserve marital rights.


but digs not everyone that is gay has sex, just like everyone that is straight has sex sigh i am 24 and never kissed a girl but that's another topic
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Posted 7/25/09 , edited 7/25/09

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Ok, so you would be fine with not being allowed to get married and having to get one of these unions. But I actually want to get married and have a nice wedding, just like alot of other people.

They're not on the same level of respect. I remember this gay guy on Oprah saying it's not even about marriage, they don't care if they'll get to be married or not, they'll still have meaningful relationships regardless. The issue is whether their relationships are considered to be less worthy or not.

Just the fact that they can't say they are "married," they have to say "we have a contract," that's degradation. They are not allowed to get the prettier status that marriage provides. That's giving their relationships a lower, less prettier status.


Nobody says homosexuals can’t have ceremonies. They simply saying they can’t get married, but I don’t see how that’s degradation. They’re not saying gays aren’t worthy, gays aren’t good enough, or anything like that. They’re saying that marriage wasn’t meant for that. Most people who’re against gay marriage are also okay with gays. These days most people have a gay relative or friend with whom they usually get along fine. Honestly, the only difference between a marriage and a civil union is the name. Both are contracts by the state. Marriage can be by the church, but it’s not acknowledged until you get the authority of the state. Even pastors have to register with the state before they’re licensed to marry people.

I don’t think it’s degrading not being able to say you’re married. I can’t say that right now, probably never will be able to say that. I don’t feel degraded, but I do feel separated. And in fact statistics and studies show that people are discriminated against for not being married. We get paid less but work more and are more likely to get scheduled to work on holidays; moreover, it’s harder for us to get days off. I can link you to the studies if you like.

That’s what we do with homosexuals. We’re separating them with titles so that we can target them. The separation itself isn’t the degradation. It’s what inexorably follows. In Plessy vs. Ferguson the Supreme court ruled that segregation was constitutional under the summarized ideology of “separate but equal.” Then in Brown v. Board of Education they concluded that it is simply impossible to have a nationally legitimized and industrialized separation without treatment varying.

So, yes. I think we degrade gays. I do not accept this postulate that’s why people are against gay marriage. I think they’re interested more in their tradition, and that’s their right. But, for me the cost of protecting this tradition is too great.


But why are they separate in the first place? Black people had to sit on the back of the bus because white people > black people in that time. And now heterosexuality > homosexuality. Obviously they're different, but every marriage is different. Some marriages have a woman who's infertile and have to adopt, some adopt and have their own kids, some are interracial, some don't want kids and some are drunken marriages to hookers in Vegas. All marriages have different circumstances, but they're all considered marriage, "separate but equal." Same-sex marriage would just be another circumstance.

I think people are against it because they don't like their relationships in the first place. I really doubt everyone is fighting so hard and making such a big issue out of it, just to protect "tradition," as if everyone has to follow the same traditions. If you don't believe in same-sex marriage, then don't marry someone of the same sex, it's very simple. It's a big issue because of homophobia. No one's fighting over the drunken-hooker marriages that become divorces hours later, even though I'd say that really breaks tradition. People are upset with this because it's gays, and I think it's as simple as that.
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Posted 7/25/09

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digs wrote:

I don't think homosexuals deserve civil unions. It isn't marriage and shouldn't be treated as such. They may have it be a committed sexual relationship between two men/women, but it isn't marriage and it isn't a family. Just a perversion with a commitment. Something that isn't marriage doesn't deserve marital rights.


but digs not everyone that is gay has sex, just like everyone that is straight has sex sigh i am 24 and never kissed a girl but that's another topic


I'm talking about civil unions though, which is like the gay form for marriage. I don't have sex either and I'm straight and I'm sure not all homosexuals are sexually active. I don't see how sexual activity is an issue in the discussion though.
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Posted 7/25/09

digs wrote:

I don't think homosexuals deserve civil unions. It isn't marriage and shouldn't be treated as such. They may have it be a committed sexual relationship between two men/women, but it isn't marriage and it isn't a family. Just a perversion with a commitment. Something that isn't marriage doesn't deserve marital rights.


So don’t treat civil unions like marriage. Treat them like civil unions. They have legal rights.
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That is true. All this bullshit talk about protecting marriage and tradition makes me laugh. I live in Canada who has same sex marriage legal since 2005. No one's affected by it except for the gay couples who now can marry. Obviously the church people aren't happy (they're never happy anyways)

Seriously, if it IS affecting your marriage, then there's something wrong with YOUR marriage.
Posted 7/25/09
hmm...it isnt so much of a deal of rights or not. its just the tax benefits of being married.
Posted 7/26/09 , edited 7/26/09
Wait what exactly is the issue here? That homosexuals can't get married in church? In the Catholic church women still can't become priests, so what the Hell did you expect? And personally, I doubt that it's ever going to change for this institution.

On top of all, why would a gay person want to get married in an institution where people who feel exactly the same as Digs sit every Sunday and pray to God? If I was gay, then I'd definitely avoid these places which utter such primitive thoughts. In fact, it's actually a provocation to go there and ask for special rights like it would be a provocation to offer a Muslim pork meat when I exactly know that he's Muslim and doesn't eat pork.

I think that there are more serious issues that need to be cleared before we start to argue about civil unions X marriage. In a lot of countries homosexuality is still regarded as a sin and you might end up getting stoned if such a secret were ever to see daylight. I think that this ought to have higher priority than the aforementioned marriage blah blah.
Posted 7/26/09
I think gay people should stfu and not try to prove something. They don't want discrimination but they do all these parades and events and shit creates discrimination itself. In my school they had a "silent day" or some other type of retarded shit where all the queers were allowed to stay quiet and not talk to anyone, and supporters of queers. That itself created discrimination.

I think everyone should stfu on this matter and leave queers alone, I certainly do not support gay marriage and shit but I am not against it either. As long as the queers do not touch me, it's ok with me.

Another thing with gay people is it's disgusting to see two guys making out on TV. If gay marriage would to be allowed nationwide then we'd start seeing a whole lot of gay shit on TV ( like gays having sex, etc ). I REALLY do not want to stumble upon that shit while channel surfing.

Hurr hurr, flame wars begin.
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Posted 7/26/09

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I think gay people should stfu and not try to prove something. They don't want discrimination but they do all these parades and events and shit creates discrimination itself. In my school they had a "silent day" or some other type of retarded shit where all the queers were allowed to stay quiet and not talk to anyone, and supporters of queers. That itself created discrimination.

I think everyone should stfu on this matter and leave queers alone, I certainly do not support gay marriage and shit but I am not against it either. As long as the queers do not touch me, it's ok with me.

Another thing with gay people is it's disgusting to see two guys making out on TV. If gay marriage would to be allowed nationwide then we'd start seeing a whole lot of gay shit on TV ( like gays having sex, etc ). I REALLY do not want to stumble upon that shit while channel surfing.

Hurr hurr, flame wars begin.


The guys who are the most aggressively homophobic are usually the ones that are secretly still in the closet.
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Posted 7/26/09

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digs wrote:

I don't think homosexuals deserve civil unions. It isn't marriage and shouldn't be treated as such. They may have it be a committed sexual relationship between two men/women, but it isn't marriage and it isn't a family. Just a perversion with a commitment. Something that isn't marriage doesn't deserve marital rights.


yeah thanks for being hatefull..we will see whats hating gonna get you.


I don't hate homosexuals in the least. I have a good college friend who is gay and I am neither uncomfortable around him or defensive. I merely view homosexuality as wrong and sinful, so I don't support it. You can think drugs are wrong, but it doesn't mean you hate those who do drugs. I have no hate for homosexuals

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Posted 7/26/09

digs wrote:


lalouse wrote:


digs wrote:

I don't think homosexuals deserve civil unions. It isn't marriage and shouldn't be treated as such. They may have it be a committed sexual relationship between two men/women, but it isn't marriage and it isn't a family. Just a perversion with a commitment. Something that isn't marriage doesn't deserve marital rights.


yeah thanks for being hatefull..we will see whats hating gonna get you.


I don't hate homosexuals in the least. I have a good college friend who is gay and I am neither uncomfortable around him or defensive. I merely view homosexuality as wrong and sinful, so I don't support it. You can think drugs are wrong, but it doesn't mean you hate those who do drugs. I have no hate for homosexuals



May I ask you a question, digs? How do you define someone who is homophobic versus someone who is not, in your perspective?
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Posted 7/26/09
There is no proof that homophobes are really gay. We can use the same analogy with race the KKK hates blacks but deep down inside they want to be one. I mean come on it makes no sense you guys are just attacking him because he doesnt like homosexuals.
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Posted 7/26/09 , edited 7/31/09


It's perfectly fine

@Quasimodo- Homophobia is a fear of homosexuals. I would say someone is homophobic if they get uneasy or scared around homosexuals. They view them in light of the other person's sexuality and not as a person. It's when the first thing that comes to mind is "ew gross, they're gay" instead of how you know them as a person. We don't think "hey buddy, your straight" when we think of someone or meet them. It's robbing someone of their individuality as a person and replacing it with their homosexual lifestyle. Homophobia isn't good and I'm just as much against it as I am of homosexual marriages. Homophobia is a form of hate in my opinion, even if it isn't militant or blatant. It's also a disrespect for the person.
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Posted 7/26/09

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There is no proof that homophobes are really gay. We can use the same analogy with race the KKK hates blacks but deep down inside they want to be one. I mean come on it makes no sense you guys are just attacking him because he doesnt like homosexuals.


It's very common for closeted gays to be bashing homosexuality as much as they can. It's because they're really insecure and they want to get rid of any suspicion. Especially when it's really stupid homophobic comments that are made just to seem tough.
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Posted 7/26/09 , edited 7/26/09
No that just makes them no difference from a racist. I have some friends who have some very strong views of homosexuals thats just a form of attack when you dont agree with someone. I agree there are some people out there who do that but not all of them. But i agree with you his comments was a little over the top.
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