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Yea it is strange we learned about the holocaust but this was ignored. In fact had it not been for my interest in torture I would have never came across this information. I think that what Japan did to their neighbor in China and some Russians was far worse then the holocaust. In unti 731 where they performed experiments on alive human beings. They did this to develop biochemical weapons for biochemical warfare. Some of the research was done also to see how different affections form on humans and to find cures for them. They would throw sick people in with healthy people all in one cage to see how fast an infection can spread. To view the results they would dissect them while they were alive. They did far more then what I explained if you want to know research it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.toddlertime.com/bobbystringer/unit-731.htm

This was far worse then the holocaust and should have been noted in our history class. But some odd reason during WW2 all we know was that there was a holocaust and that was the only injustice done to people. Holocaust memorials all around the world but nothing for these people. After WW2 was over when the USA rounded up all the war criminals in Japan guess what. We asked them if they give us all their research from unit 731 we will let them go scott free. And thats exactly what we did they was never prosecuted amazing isn't it. This is the USA so I am not surprised we let war crimes go free today with 'certain' countries.


Unit 731 was for scientific reasons, regardless of how cruel it was, Nanking was just trying to torture and kill people. But they were all part of the Asian Holocaust. I don't know why the Asian Holocaust is never really paid attention to, I guess it's because the Nazi Holocaust had a lot more deaths.

And I wouldn't say it's worse than the Holocaust, they had many medical experiments and similar torture in the Holocaust. No one's in any position to be saying one atrocity was worse than another and it doesn't matter, they're all bad.
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drizza wrote:

Yea it is strange we learned about the holocaust but this was ignored. In fact had it not been for my interest in torture I would have never came across this information. I think that what Japan did to their neighbor in China and some Russians was far worse then the holocaust. In unti 731 where they performed experiments on alive human beings. They did this to develop biochemical weapons for biochemical warfare. Some of the research was done also to see how different affections form on humans and to find cures for them. They would throw sick people in with healthy people all in one cage to see how fast an infection can spread. To view the results they would dissect them while they were alive. They did far more then what I explained if you want to know research it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.toddlertime.com/bobbystringer/unit-731.htm

This was far worse then the holocaust and should have been noted in our history class. But some odd reason during WW2 all we know was that there was a holocaust and that was the only injustice done to people. Holocaust memorials all around the world but nothing for these people. After WW2 was over when the USA rounded up all the war criminals in Japan guess what. We asked them if they give us all their research from unit 731 we will let them go scott free. And thats exactly what we did they was never prosecuted amazing isn't it. This is the USA so I am not surprised we let war crimes go free today with 'certain' countries.


Unit 731 was for scientific reasons, regardless of how cruel it was, Nanking was just trying to torture and kill people. But they were all part of the Asian Holocaust. I don't know why the Asian Holocaust is never really paid attention to, I guess it's because the Nazi Holocaust had a lot more deaths.

And I wouldn't say it's worse than the Holocaust, they had many medical experiments and similar torture in the Holocaust. No one's in any position to be saying one atrocity was worse than another and it doesn't matter, they're all bad.


Yes your right for scientific reasons and it was pretty much a death camp. Nah I am sorry it was worse then the holocaust imo to use humans as lab rats is atrocious. If you were a POW in Germany your chances of survival was way higher versus being a POW in Japan.
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Yei wrote:


drizza wrote:

Yea it is strange we learned about the holocaust but this was ignored. In fact had it not been for my interest in torture I would have never came across this information. I think that what Japan did to their neighbor in China and some Russians was far worse then the holocaust. In unti 731 where they performed experiments on alive human beings. They did this to develop biochemical weapons for biochemical warfare. Some of the research was done also to see how different affections form on humans and to find cures for them. They would throw sick people in with healthy people all in one cage to see how fast an infection can spread. To view the results they would dissect them while they were alive. They did far more then what I explained if you want to know research it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.toddlertime.com/bobbystringer/unit-731.htm

This was far worse then the holocaust and should have been noted in our history class. But some odd reason during WW2 all we know was that there was a holocaust and that was the only injustice done to people. Holocaust memorials all around the world but nothing for these people. After WW2 was over when the USA rounded up all the war criminals in Japan guess what. We asked them if they give us all their research from unit 731 we will let them go scott free. And thats exactly what we did they was never prosecuted amazing isn't it. This is the USA so I am not surprised we let war crimes go free today with 'certain' countries.


Unit 731 was for scientific reasons, regardless of how cruel it was, Nanking was just trying to torture and kill people. But they were all part of the Asian Holocaust. I don't know why the Asian Holocaust is never really paid attention to, I guess it's because the Nazi Holocaust had a lot more deaths.

And I wouldn't say it's worse than the Holocaust, they had many medical experiments and similar torture in the Holocaust. No one's in any position to be saying one atrocity was worse than another and it doesn't matter, they're all bad.


Yes your right for scientific reasons and it was pretty much a death camp. Nah I am sorry it was worse then the holocaust imo to use humans as lab rats is atrocious. If you were a POW in Germany your chances of survival was way higher versus being a POW in Japan.


Nazis used humans as lab rats too and they killed 11 million people. If you compare them by how much people were killed, the Holocaust was much worse. I don't see how else you could compare though, I don't think there's a morality scale we can use that tells us if the people experimented on in 731 suffered more than the people experimented on and tortured in the Holocaust.
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drizza wrote:


Yei wrote:


drizza wrote:

Yea it is strange we learned about the holocaust but this was ignored. In fact had it not been for my interest in torture I would have never came across this information. I think that what Japan did to their neighbor in China and some Russians was far worse then the holocaust. In unti 731 where they performed experiments on alive human beings. They did this to develop biochemical weapons for biochemical warfare. Some of the research was done also to see how different affections form on humans and to find cures for them. They would throw sick people in with healthy people all in one cage to see how fast an infection can spread. To view the results they would dissect them while they were alive. They did far more then what I explained if you want to know research it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.toddlertime.com/bobbystringer/unit-731.htm

This was far worse then the holocaust and should have been noted in our history class. But some odd reason during WW2 all we know was that there was a holocaust and that was the only injustice done to people. Holocaust memorials all around the world but nothing for these people. After WW2 was over when the USA rounded up all the war criminals in Japan guess what. We asked them if they give us all their research from unit 731 we will let them go scott free. And thats exactly what we did they was never prosecuted amazing isn't it. This is the USA so I am not surprised we let war crimes go free today with 'certain' countries.


Unit 731 was for scientific reasons, regardless of how cruel it was, Nanking was just trying to torture and kill people. But they were all part of the Asian Holocaust. I don't know why the Asian Holocaust is never really paid attention to, I guess it's because the Nazi Holocaust had a lot more deaths.

And I wouldn't say it's worse than the Holocaust, they had many medical experiments and similar torture in the Holocaust. No one's in any position to be saying one atrocity was worse than another and it doesn't matter, they're all bad.


Yes your right for scientific reasons and it was pretty much a death camp. Nah I am sorry it was worse then the holocaust imo to use humans as lab rats is atrocious. If you were a POW in Germany your chances of survival was way higher versus being a POW in Japan.


Nazis used humans as lab rats too and they killed 11 million people. If you compare them by how much people were killed, the Holocaust was much worse. I don't see how else you could compare though, I don't think there's a morality scale we can use that tells us if the people experimented on in 731 suffered more than the people experimented on and tortured in the Holocaust.


There is a dispute with what you just said but I dont want to point it out because people will just start name calling. Anyways to avoid a small argument we can agree to disagree. My opinion remains so does yours.
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Yei wrote:


drizza wrote:

Yea it is strange we learned about the holocaust but this was ignored. In fact had it not been for my interest in torture I would have never came across this information. I think that what Japan did to their neighbor in China and some Russians was far worse then the holocaust. In unti 731 where they performed experiments on alive human beings. They did this to develop biochemical weapons for biochemical warfare. Some of the research was done also to see how different affections form on humans and to find cures for them. They would throw sick people in with healthy people all in one cage to see how fast an infection can spread. To view the results they would dissect them while they were alive. They did far more then what I explained if you want to know research it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.toddlertime.com/bobbystringer/unit-731.htm

This was far worse then the holocaust and should have been noted in our history class. But some odd reason during WW2 all we know was that there was a holocaust and that was the only injustice done to people. Holocaust memorials all around the world but nothing for these people. After WW2 was over when the USA rounded up all the war criminals in Japan guess what. We asked them if they give us all their research from unit 731 we will let them go scott free. And thats exactly what we did they was never prosecuted amazing isn't it. This is the USA so I am not surprised we let war crimes go free today with 'certain' countries.


Unit 731 was for scientific reasons, regardless of how cruel it was, Nanking was just trying to torture and kill people. But they were all part of the Asian Holocaust. I don't know why the Asian Holocaust is never really paid attention to, I guess it's because the Nazi Holocaust had a lot more deaths.

And I wouldn't say it's worse than the Holocaust, they had many medical experiments and similar torture in the Holocaust. No one's in any position to be saying one atrocity was worse than another and it doesn't matter, they're all bad.


Yes your right for scientific reasons and it was pretty much a death camp. Nah I am sorry it was worse then the holocaust imo to use humans as lab rats is atrocious. If you were a POW in Germany your chances of survival was way higher versus being a POW in Japan.


the Nazis used Jews as human lab rats as well, especially wins and pregnant women. In the concentration camps they preformed human experiments on Jews, they gassed them, burned them, shot them, made them work in labor camps, gave them no rights, and starved them. The Russians oppressed their citizens and murdered many, but the holocaust was an action specifically against Jews and the belief that they were evil and unfit for life. I am not downplaying what happened in Russia, but the Holocaust was like a Jewish murder fest that killed over 6 million of them. Lot's of atrocities have happened too that aren't reported. In China they killed tens of millions of people when Mao Zedong took over, Russia and Hitler killed many as well.
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drizza wrote:


Yei wrote:


drizza wrote:


Yei wrote:


drizza wrote:

Yea it is strange we learned about the holocaust but this was ignored. In fact had it not been for my interest in torture I would have never came across this information. I think that what Japan did to their neighbor in China and some Russians was far worse then the holocaust. In unti 731 where they performed experiments on alive human beings. They did this to develop biochemical weapons for biochemical warfare. Some of the research was done also to see how different affections form on humans and to find cures for them. They would throw sick people in with healthy people all in one cage to see how fast an infection can spread. To view the results they would dissect them while they were alive. They did far more then what I explained if you want to know research it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
http://www.toddlertime.com/bobbystringer/unit-731.htm

This was far worse then the holocaust and should have been noted in our history class. But some odd reason during WW2 all we know was that there was a holocaust and that was the only injustice done to people. Holocaust memorials all around the world but nothing for these people. After WW2 was over when the USA rounded up all the war criminals in Japan guess what. We asked them if they give us all their research from unit 731 we will let them go scott free. And thats exactly what we did they was never prosecuted amazing isn't it. This is the USA so I am not surprised we let war crimes go free today with 'certain' countries.


Unit 731 was for scientific reasons, regardless of how cruel it was, Nanking was just trying to torture and kill people. But they were all part of the Asian Holocaust. I don't know why the Asian Holocaust is never really paid attention to, I guess it's because the Nazi Holocaust had a lot more deaths.

And I wouldn't say it's worse than the Holocaust, they had many medical experiments and similar torture in the Holocaust. No one's in any position to be saying one atrocity was worse than another and it doesn't matter, they're all bad.


Yes your right for scientific reasons and it was pretty much a death camp. Nah I am sorry it was worse then the holocaust imo to use humans as lab rats is atrocious. If you were a POW in Germany your chances of survival was way higher versus being a POW in Japan.


Nazis used humans as lab rats too and they killed 11 million people. If you compare them by how much people were killed, the Holocaust was much worse. I don't see how else you could compare though, I don't think there's a morality scale we can use that tells us if the people experimented on in 731 suffered more than the people experimented on and tortured in the Holocaust.


There is a dispute with what you just said but I dont want to point it out because people will just call me and anti semite. Anyways to avoid a small argument we can agree to disagree. My opinion remains so does yours.


Ok, but like I said, no one's in any position to somehow make moral and suffering judgments. No one can decide whether a kid who is burned alive in the Holocaust suffered more than a kid who bleeds to death from an h-bomb in Vietnam or a child soldier in Africa. It's ridiculous and immoral to make those kinds of judgments and I don't see the point of it.
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Digs and Yei there is a lot of stuff you guys said about the millions of people I dont agree with but like I said it is our opinions.
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Ok, but like I said, no one's in any position to somehow make moral and suffering judgments. No one can decide whether a kid who is burned alive in the Holocaust suffered more than a kid who bleeds to death from an h-bomb in Vietnam or a child soldier in Africa. It's ridiculous and immoral to make those kinds of judgments and I don't see the point of it.


Well actually you can decide who suffers more.

Burning to death in the holocaust, would be a slow and painful thing, since most likely the child would have just been thrown into a pit of burning corpses, that's a slow and painful death, so he/she would have suffered a lot, dying by h-bomb would be an instant death more than likely depending on how close you were to it, so little to no suffering, and child soldiers in Africa usually use guns, so that would be a bullet wound, so either a slow an painful death or instant death depending on where the bullet/s hit you.
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Ok, but like I said, no one's in any position to somehow make moral and suffering judgments. No one can decide whether a kid who is burned alive in the Holocaust suffered more than a kid who bleeds to death from an h-bomb in Vietnam or a child soldier in Africa. It's ridiculous and immoral to make those kinds of judgments and I don't see the point of it.


Well actually you can decide who suffers more.

Burning to death in the holocaust, would be a slow and painful thing, since most likely the child would have just been thrown into a pit of burning corpses, that's a slow and painful death, so he/she would have suffered a lot, dying by h-bomb would be an instant death more than likely depending on how close you were to it, so little to no suffering, and child soldiers in Africa usually use guns, so that would be a bullet wound, so either a slow an painful death or instant death depending on where the bullet/s hit you.


If the H-Bomb doesn't hit you directly and just causes alot of your skin to burn off, you may not die for hours. I'm talking about the extreme torture child soldiers get, which you probably never heard of. Like being bitten to death by other kids.
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Digs and Yei there is a lot of stuff you guys said about the millions of people I dont agree with but like I said it is our opinions.


Oh, you mean the number of people who died in the Holocaust?
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Many people views on the holocaust are formed from what they learned if you challenge it in the least your name called and this isnt the forum to do that on. But yes I do have a dispute on the number that has died and lets leave it at that.
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Many people views on the holocaust are formed from what they learned if you challenge it in the least your name called and this isnt the forum to do that on. But yes I do have a dispute on the number that has died and lets leave it at that.


Many people's views on the Holocaust are based on the facts obtained after the Holocaust. But either way, I don't see the value in challenging it.
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Ok, but like I said, no one's in any position to somehow make moral and suffering judgments. No one can decide whether a kid who is burned alive in the Holocaust suffered more than a kid who bleeds to death from an h-bomb in Vietnam or a child soldier in Africa. It's ridiculous and immoral to make those kinds of judgments and I don't see the point of it.


Well actually you can decide who suffers more.

Burning to death in the holocaust, would be a slow and painful thing, since most likely the child would have just been thrown into a pit of burning corpses, that's a slow and painful death, so he/she would have suffered a lot, dying by h-bomb would be an instant death more than likely depending on how close you were to it, so little to no suffering, and child soldiers in Africa usually use guns, so that would be a bullet wound, so either a slow an painful death or instant death depending on where the bullet/s hit you.


If the H-Bomb doesn't hit you directly and just causes alot of your skin to burn off, you may not die for hours. I'm talking about the extreme torture child soldiers get, which you probably never heard of. Like being bitten to death by other kids.


Well yeah if your not in the immediate area where the H-bomb hits your going to suffer for a while, but if the initial blast doesn't get you, the shockwave will, and if you somehow manage to escape that, the radiation will get you, either as neutrons or x-rays or fallout(unless it was airburst high enough, then there is no fallout.) That will leave massive burns. Hurt like hell, probably suffer a lot, tho.

Being bitten to death to death by other kids would be painful death sure. But its still clear that they would suffer a lot, and others in other situations would or wouldn't suffer as much. So you can still decide who would suffer more, if you happen to know the manner in which they died.
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Yei wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:

Ok, but like I said, no one's in any position to somehow make moral and suffering judgments. No one can decide whether a kid who is burned alive in the Holocaust suffered more than a kid who bleeds to death from an h-bomb in Vietnam or a child soldier in Africa. It's ridiculous and immoral to make those kinds of judgments and I don't see the point of it.


Well actually you can decide who suffers more.

Burning to death in the holocaust, would be a slow and painful thing, since most likely the child would have just been thrown into a pit of burning corpses, that's a slow and painful death, so he/she would have suffered a lot, dying by h-bomb would be an instant death more than likely depending on how close you were to it, so little to no suffering, and child soldiers in Africa usually use guns, so that would be a bullet wound, so either a slow an painful death or instant death depending on where the bullet/s hit you.


If the H-Bomb doesn't hit you directly and just causes alot of your skin to burn off, you may not die for hours. I'm talking about the extreme torture child soldiers get, which you probably never heard of. Like being bitten to death by other kids.


Well yeah if your not in the immediate area where the H-bomb hits your going to suffer for a while, but if the initial blast doesn't get you, the shockwave will, and if you somehow manage to escape that, the radiation will get you, either as neutrons or x-rays or fallout(unless it was airburst high enough, then there is no fallout.) That will leave massive burns. Hurt like hell, probably suffer a lot, tho.

Being bitten to death to death by other kids would be painful death sure. But its still clear that they would suffer a lot, and others in other situations would or wouldn't suffer as much. So you can still decide who would suffer more, if you happen to know the manner in which they died.


ok, but you can't make generalizations like people in the Asian Holocaust suffered more than the people in the Nazi Holocaust. There's no way to measure suffering there.
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