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Fansubs, simulcasts, DVDs and you.
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Posted 8/2/09
the only anime DVDs i buy are the gift box sets for my GF, becuz she thinks they look good as a collection in her room.

i watch anime online becuz i prefer to watch them as soon as they come out subbed. i cant wait for the ONE PIECE DVDs to be officially produced and distributed in america. that shit will take like a couple YEARS before i get to see it.

free fansubs online is faster
free scanlations online is faster

maybe i should just learn japanese then i dont have to wait anymore...
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Posted 8/2/09

holy_may wrote:

horriblesub is dead


good, i didn't know that.

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Posted 8/3/09

otaku1964 wrote:


holy_may wrote:

Ever since the bullshit from 4Kids, I'll always see Fansubs better...



So buying the legit DVD boxsets is beneath you eh? People like you need to wake-up to reality and realize that your mindset is what will eventually kill the anime industry. By the way fansubs do have their place but try supporting the industry as well!


DVD is too expensive for me. So, in order to at least support the industry, I think it would be a better idea if I try to propagate anime using blogs. And remember recession.
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Posted 8/3/09
Well i would prefer to buy legally but i just cant wait...
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I don't buy DVD's
I'll give a damn when they actually make it accessible to everybody (yeah like that'll happen) as for now I like my life as it is
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Posted 8/29/09

holy_may wrote:


mozychan wrote:

I prefer to watch anime before I buy anything. That way I only spend my money on the shows I really like. Being as the TV networks in America seem to have less and less anime as time goes on, legal streaming online through either commercial paid advertising or paid subscriptions is the next best thing on a broad scale. I like it because I get to watch the shows in Japanese this way and only an hour or more after they air in Japan.

The accuracy of subtitling is of little importance to me because I speak Japanese. I do notice problems all the time from both fansubbers and the licensee's (including CR) so that is unfortunate for many viewers.

When it comes to what is available and where, I try to stay legit... but should that not be possible or not to my satisfaction I will improvise and appreciate the contributions from some fansubbers or raw providers (excluding those that rip off content that is otherwise provided legally in my region. ei horriblesubz).

-moose


horriblesub is dead


not anymore, baby!!
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Posted 8/29/09 , edited 8/29/09

hikobuf wrote:

can u shorten it 4 me :p i dont want to read all of it

Is your attention span that short? Read it you toddler.

I buy DVDs and view a few streams. I like owning things.


holy_may wrote:

Ever since the bullshit from 4Kids, I'll always see Fansubs better...

You honestly can't compare what TOEI animation MADE 4Kids to One Piece to every R1 anime release. I hope the industry does die off more so you cancerous fools can go infect another fandom.
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I find I'm watching a lot less fansubs these days as most of the shows I want have either already been licensed or are being simulcast. (thank you, CR!!) I think there is a disconnect with today's anime fans.

Years ago, fansubs were the only way for us to get much of our anime. The industry here in the U.S. was still young and really didn't know what titles would sell here. Mainly, they just sold action and sci-fi titles, banking on anime's "shocking violence/sexuality" to appeal to fans in a counterculture way. We missed out on a lot of titles that were romance, slice-of-life, political, sports, gag comedy, etc.

As time went on, technology improved and the Internet got faster and companies heard of fan interest in a wide variety of shows and movies. We, who shared these titles among our fellow fans felt it was our duty to buy the official releases of shows we'd known only in fansubs. When a show was licensed, we didn't whine about it. We celebrated. We were glad that more people could experience and love these shows as we did.

Not so today. Anime isn't cheap to produce. It isn't cheap to promote and it absolutely isn't cheap license. That money has to come from somewhere and if the fans can't be bothered to pay for it; who will?

::HUGS::

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Posted 8/29/09 , edited 8/29/09

Mahzes wrote:

Whilst you're all making valid points here, I think you're missing the main concept just a bit.

I want to know what, for you personally, is the main reason you either buy DVDs or download fansubs, etc.

Do you download fansubs so you don't have to buy DVDs? Do you download them so you get to see them early and then buy the DVDs anyway later on? Or do you download them for certain shows because there's no legal way of seeing them in your country?

Also, what is your opinion on long, ongoing series? Does the length of these shows put you off wanting to buy DVDs of them, because you know you'll be spending a lot on them for a long time?


When I stream fansubs (outside of Crunchyroll) it is because that particular series is not available in my region - usually because it's still airing in Japan. Series that exceed the 26 episode boxset (such as on-going) I would much rather stream weekly than purchase physical copies of because that would become incredibly expensive and the shows are usually of a lower quality anyway.

While I have purchased anime boxsets in the past, I'm not too keen to buy every single series that is released (I usually rent volumes from Video City :P). The idea of becoming an Anime Member is incredibly appealing - I'm simply waiting for the library to increase in size of available animes in my region. By being an Anime Member (or just donating every so often) I can feel like I've given something back to the producers and Crunchyroll and hopefully encourage them to continue. I will probably never purchase actual physical copies of movies/series again but I'm happy to pay fees to have access to the legal streaming of them, even if it's only temporary. More sites should do this!

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Posted 8/30/09

holy_may wrote:


otaku1964 wrote:


holy_may wrote:

Ever since the bullshit from 4Kids, I'll always see Fansubs better...




So buying the legit DVD boxsets is beneath you eh? People like you need to wake-up to reality and realize that your mindset is what will eventually kill the anime industry. By the way fansubs do have their place but try supporting the industry as well!


Screw DVD, I don't use disk anymore
The only anime industry that I will kill would only be the American company. Talk of knowing your stuff...


How many copies of a typical anime DVD do you think are sold in Japan?

Here are some hard numbers:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=58963
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=60985&page=3
(further down the page for the numbers from this second URL)

I would be surprised if the industry could be sustained on Japanese sales alone, given those numbers.

The U.S. has over twice the population of Japan, so even if only half as many people per capita are anime fans, it still represents a larger market, and that is without factoring in Canada.

Hard U.S. numbers were more difficult to come by. I did find that Final Fantasy: Advent Children sold 1.3 million units for the U.S., Canada, & Australia combined, with "a bit short of a million" for the U.S. sales alone. In 2007, Funimation had a single disc of Afro Samurai had $4.5 million in sales.

Without knowing the typical license fee rate it is difficult to say how much U.S. DVD sales contribute to the bottom line of anime producers back in Japan, but I would not be surprised if it was in excess of 25 percent. For an industry that is healthy, a 25% reduction in revenue would hurt. For an industry that is already hurting, it would no doubt result in many studios going under.
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Posted 8/30/09
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I wish I could buy DVDs, but... no money :(
I used to watch more fansubs, but nowadays I mostly follow simulcasts/legal streams. As of now, buying DVDs is not an option for me, so instead I try my best to support these legal streaming sites like CR.
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With more and more legit Streamed Anime becoming available I am watching fewer and fewer Fansubs. I'm an animator myself so I want to support the industry as much as I can.

As far as DVDs go.
When I was just getting interested in Anime I would buy anything that looked even remotely interesting, and I got burned a lot. There was a lot of substandard shows getting licensed back then and I ran into some truly god awful stuff.
I reached a point where I would only buy the DVD of something if I knew I would like it, it was just too expensive to try a series out on the risk that it would suck.

Internet Fansubs were a godsend. they let me check out stuff for free and when I found something I actually liked I would buy the DVD when it became available.
If it wasn't for Fansubs I wouldn't own Figure 17, School Rumble, Moon Phase, Azumanga or Pani Poni Dash. They expanded my anime pallet far beyond what it would have been.

as Legit streaming becomes more and more common I will watch things that way. It lets me sample new stuff just as much as Fansubing dose and it has the added benefit of supporting the industry in Japan.

These days, If I can, I will always choose the Legit version over a fansub. But if there is no other way for me to see something I will still go looking for the fansub.

and regardless of how I see a show for the first time, the ones I like will find their way into my ever growing DVD collection.
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