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Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance. He has made too many racist comments that have been well publicized in the media. His own rants have doomed him.

The media will never let go of those comments, hence he will always be marginalized.


What racist comment? Care to explain where do you get that info?
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/

Documents linked to Ron Paul deep-sixed his presidential run.
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/

Documents linked to Ron Paul deep-sixed his presidential run.


Dude no thats just some random letter someone typed to smear Ron Paul. It is funny why would he write a letter adressed to nobody with a title of ,"Ron Paul". That doesnt sound to scholary to me. Anyone can make a bogus letter and print your name as the title does it mean you wrote it no? He cleared this up on CNN i am at work so I cant find the clip right now but also in that website he cleared it up. Look at his voting record, his history, he never said or did anything racist towards african americans. NO news outlet or anyone recognizes him as racist. Man people need to stop and think before jumping to conclusions
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missnthrope wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/

Documents linked to Ron Paul deep-sixed his presidential run.


Dude no thats just some random letter someone typed to smear Ron Paul. It is funny why would he write a letter adressed to nobody with a title of ,"Ron Paul". That doesnt sound to scholary to me. Anyone can make a bogus letter and print your name as the title does it mean you wrote it no? He cleared this up on CNN i am at work so I cant find the clip right now but also in that website he cleared it up. Look at his voting record, his history, he never said or did anything racist towards african americans. NO news outlet or anyone recognizes him as racist. Man people need to stop and think before jumping to conclusions


That doesn't make a bit of difference. Ron Paul was associated with the publication that printed it. He may have authored it, or not. It is the fact of the association with that particular publication that dogged his political campaign, and will do so in his future campaigns. When the media or opposition get a hold of a story like that, they don't let it go. That's the way politics plays.
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missnthrope wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/

Documents linked to Ron Paul deep-sixed his presidential run.


Ron Paul wasnt associated with anything. Dude thats just some random letter someone typed to smear Ron Paul. It is funny why would he write a letter adressed to nobody with a title of ,"Ron Paul". That doesnt sound to scholary to me. Anyone can make a bogus letter and print your name as the title does it mean you wrote it no? He cleared this up on CNN i am at work so I cant find the clip right now but also in that website he cleared it up. Look at his voting record, his history, he never said or did anything racist towards african americans. NO news outlet or anyone recognizes him as racist. Man people need to stop and think before jumping to conclusions


That doesn't make a bit of difference. Ron Paul was associated with the publication that printed it. He may have authored it, or not. It is the fact of the association with that particular publication that dogged his political campaign, and will do so in his future campaigns. When the media or opposition get a hold of a story like that, they don't let it go. That's the way politics plays.


Dude yes it does make every bit of a difference dude. Hell I can write a letter with your name on the top of a letter and have you make racist remarks. Proof where is proof of his past being racist? What did he ever say or do to African Americans that was bad? This came up once on CNN for political reasons and was cleared. NObody acknowledges him as a racist and in fact he gets a lot of black votes. Here you can watch it yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKBlk1Vpeuw

Please point out the racism in this vid.
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Look, the statements were made in the RON PAUL NEWSLETTERS.

Well Dude,

So sad for Ron Paul if he didn't say them, but they still did appear under his name. He never denies that those things did not appear in the newsletters. When you're a politician running for office, you have to keep a VERY close eye on stuff like this, so it doesn't take off in the media. This did, and it damaged his political campaign. At the very least, it does not reflect well on Ron Paul that he can't keep a lid on what is happening in his own house

Take it with a grain of salt that this stuff appeared before GOP primaries. The GOP did not want him as their candidate. His views on Iraq were not jiving with their talking points. dude.
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He stated he doesnt know who wrote it but I agree with Ron Paul because he was running for president then something small like this would pop up to hurt him. Look what he said about blacks and how he supported the civil rights movement etc. He stated and many others stated nobody heard him ever speak like that. There is no sound quote of him speaking racist at all. This did not damage his campaign imo because during his campaign the media and many others didnt note him as a racist. Now you know how the NAACP where was they why they didnt speak on this issue? You know how they are they speak on every racial issue against African Americans especially something of this degree.

I honestly believe our media chooses our candidates why? Because they only show who they want us to vote for the most. Ron Paul wasnt even let into some debates why? I dont believe our government likes that he wants to end all wars. He wants to end the Fed and all these other organizations ruining this country. Last but not least he will end all Aid towards Israel and AIPAC aint having that. This was a terrible attempt to smear Ron Paul and it didnt go far at all. Until I can see a sound byte, some type of racist voting record he held in congress, people who knew says he speaks like that then I wont believe he is a racist.
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He stated he doesnt know who wrote it but I agree with Ron Paul because he was running for president then something small like this would pop up to hurt him. Look what he said about blacks and how he supported the civil rights movement etc. He stated and many others stated nobody heard him ever speak like that. There is no sound quote of him speaking racist at all. This did not damage his campaign imo because during his campaign the media and many others didnt note him as a racist. Now you know how the NAACP where was they why they didnt speak on this issue? You know how they are they speak on every racial issue against African Americans especially something of this degree.

I honestly believe our media chooses our candidates why? Because they only show who they want us to vote for the most. Ron Paul wasnt even let into some debates why? I dont believe our government likes that he wants to end all wars. He wants to end the Fed and all these other organizations ruining this country. Last but not least he will end all Aid towards Israel and AIPAC aint having that. This was a terrible attempt to smear Ron Paul and it didnt go far at all. Until I can see a sound byte, some type of racist voting record he held in congress, people who knew says he speaks like that then I wont believe he is a racist.



Well, apparently the American Journal of Political Science ranked Ron Paul the most conservative of all the 3,320 senators AND house representatives from 1937-2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Political_positions
http://voteview.com/Is_John_Kerry_A_Liberal.htm

This being said, if the republican political party was true to its conservative merits then we would’ve never seen foreign aid to Israel in the first place; moreover, the war in Iraq would’ve been avoided. So if he really is a hyper conservative zealot then I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was opposed to the war and supporting Israel. At the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if his leadership was less the favorable towards the minorities as compared to the majority.
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drizza wrote:

He stated he doesnt know who wrote it but I agree with Ron Paul because he was running for president then something small like this would pop up to hurt him. Look what he said about blacks and how he supported the civil rights movement etc. He stated and many others stated nobody heard him ever speak like that. There is no sound quote of him speaking racist at all. This did not damage his campaign imo because during his campaign the media and many others didnt note him as a racist. Now you know how the NAACP where was they why they didnt speak on this issue? You know how they are they speak on every racial issue against African Americans especially something of this degree.

I honestly believe our media chooses our candidates why? Because they only show who they want us to vote for the most. Ron Paul wasnt even let into some debates why? I dont believe our government likes that he wants to end all wars. He wants to end the Fed and all these other organizations ruining this country. Last but not least he will end all Aid towards Israel and AIPAC aint having that. This was a terrible attempt to smear Ron Paul and it didnt go far at all. Until I can see a sound byte, some type of racist voting record he held in congress, people who knew says he speaks like that then I wont believe he is a racist.



Well, apparently the American Journal of Political Science ranked Ron Paul the most conservative of all the 3,320 senators AND house representatives from 1937-2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Political_positions
http://voteview.com/Is_John_Kerry_A_Liberal.htm

This being said, if the republican political party was true to its conservative merits then we would’ve never seen foreign aid to Israel in the first place; moreover, the war in Iraq would’ve been avoided. So if he really is a hyper conservative zealot then I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was opposed to the war and supporting Israel. At the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if his leadership was less the favorable towards the minorities as compared to the majority.


Well like I said judging by what he states in that interview and ending the drug war, no voting record or not that I have seen that's unfavorable to minorities to make him a racist. He makes some very powerful statements towards meteorites in that interview and I don't see how one can even call him racist viewing his voting record and the issues he talks about.
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Well, apparently the American Journal of Political Science ranked Ron Paul the most conservative of all the 3,320 senators AND house representatives from 1937-2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Political_positions
http://voteview.com/Is_John_Kerry_A_Liberal.htm

This being said, if the republican political party was true to its conservative merits then we would’ve never seen foreign aid to Israel in the first place; moreover, the war in Iraq would’ve been avoided. So if he really is a hyper conservative zealot then I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was opposed to the war and supporting Israel. At the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if his leadership was less the favorable towards the minorities as compared to the majority.


Well like I said judging by what he states in that interview and ending the drug war, no voting record or not that I have seen that's unfavorable to minorities to make him a racist. He makes some very powerful statements towards meteorites in that interview and I don't see how one can even call him racist viewing his voting record and the issues he talks about.

He makes powerful statements towards meteorites?! @.@

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/racist/video/x408cr_ron-pauls-racist-quotes_news-This guy's pretty big, but he's also narrow minded. He pretty much hates anyone who's a republican, but there's his arguement. He also says you’re an idiot and a dolt for disagreeing with him. So, that makes me automatically discredit him. What kind of scholar calls names? Not an objective, respectable one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk7qiY-aoiQ-Ron Paul makes a rebuttal. He’s got a strong defense, I think.


P.S: Concerning the first video, those accusations are absurd but one thing we should keep in mind…Martin Luther stole his “I had a Dream,” speech and plagiarized most of his other professional and academic papers.
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drizza wrote:



Well, apparently the American Journal of Political Science ranked Ron Paul the most conservative of all the 3,320 senators AND house representatives from 1937-2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul#Political_positions
http://voteview.com/Is_John_Kerry_A_Liberal.htm

This being said, if the republican political party was true to its conservative merits then we would’ve never seen foreign aid to Israel in the first place; moreover, the war in Iraq would’ve been avoided. So if he really is a hyper conservative zealot then I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he was opposed to the war and supporting Israel. At the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if his leadership was less the favorable towards the minorities as compared to the majority.


Well like I said judging by what he states in that interview and ending the drug war, no voting record or not that I have seen that's unfavorable to minorities to make him a racist. He makes some very powerful statements towards meteorites in that interview and I don't see how one can even call him racist viewing his voting record and the issues he talks about.


He makes powerful statements towards meteorites?! @.@

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/racist/video/x408cr_ron-pauls-racist-quotes_news-This guy's pretty big, but he's also narrow minded. He pretty much hates anyone who's a republican, but there's his arguement. He also says you’re an idiot and a dolt for disagreeing with him. So, that makes me automatically discredit him. What kind of scholar calls names? Not an objective, respectable one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk7qiY-aoiQ-Ron Paul makes a rebuttal. He’s got a strong defense, I think.


P.S: Concerning the first video, those accusations are absurd but one thing we should keep in mind…Martin Luther stole his “I had a Dream,” speech and plagiarized most of his other professional and academic papers.

I am not to sure what your trying to show me on your first video this guy making statements about Ron without a time and place where he said it. People like him is similar to people who try to prove Obama is a racist or an Arab etc. I dont know why people attack Ron Paul like this maybe his message is so powerful they are afraid to elect him. I guess they are satisfied with the same old agenda over and over again.

Now on Martin Luther king I heard that accusation before but never was interested in researching it.

Man wtf is wrong with the reply system here anyway what do you think do you ? Is he a racist and if so where was the NAACP dont they usual jump on these issues especially someone tyring to run for president? Why wasnt the media so big on this? Why didnt this haunt his campaign? He was even questioned about this at all during any debates. This only came up on this segment on CNN and thats it. This proves that newsletter with his name branded on top isnt credible because if it were it would have been proven.
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I am not to sure what your trying to show me on your first video this guy making statements about Ron without a time and place where he said it. People like him is similar to people who try to prove Obama is a racist or an Arab etc. I dont know why people attack Ron Paul like this maybe his message is so powerful they are afraid to elect him. I guess they are satisfied with the same old agenda over and over again.

Now on Martin Luther king I heard that accusation before but never was interested in researching it.

Man wtf is wrong with the reply system here anyway what do you think do you ? Is he a racist and if so where was the NAACP dont they usual jump on these issues especially someone tyring to run for president? Why wasnt the media so big on this? Why didnt this haunt his campaign? He was even questioned about this at all during any debates. This only came up on this segment on CNN and thats it. This proves that newsletter with his name branded on top isnt credible because if it were it would have been proven.



Well, here’s one source. His university actually admitted that he plagiarized a lot of his work. Reagan tried to cover this up because he wanted to make the national holliday and people would use that to prevent it.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/mlking.asp

Here's another:

http://www.martinlutherking.org/chronology.html

It’s an unfortunate historical fact.

I don’t think Ron Paul is racist.


I think that people are attempting to label him in order to discredit him. Norman Finkelstein is called an anti-Semite by people who want him to shut up. He in turn accuses people he wants to shut up--like Alan Dershowitz—of plagiarism. During one debate he also described the commonly excepted historical facts surrounding 1967 as ‘mythology.’ What he’s doing is labeling things to discredit them--be they people or ideas. Now, that’s not to say that his opinion on 1967 is incorrect. I actually think he had some very, very strong points that I could not refute and was forced to accept in that very lecture. Yet, instead of saying ‘this is what most historians agree on, but I think they’re mistaken because of (enter argument), he instead claims that the historians are irrational and labels their opinion as mythology.

Now, he’s just one example. I chose him because it’s coming in and going out in that case. Now, look back at the actual elections. Palin was accused of attempting to ban books, the accusation was false. McCain was accused of being racist because he felt that we shouldn’t regulate black history to one month. I agree, I think it’s racist against blacks to say, “well white history is covered all year, but we’re only going to mention your contributions in this designated period on the annual calendar.” That’s a form of segregation. When taken out of context McCain’s opinion is suddenly evidence of racism.

Do I even need to star on all the anti-Obama bullshit mudslinging? He’s an extremist-Muslim/racist Christian radical/Marxist/communist/anti-Semitic/warmongering/gay-hating version of Hitler. How you can be a Muslim and a Christian at once I have no idea, but the mudslinging goes on! Even though he’s verified his nationality with a certified and authentic Hawaiian birth certificate he is still not native born…because it’s discrediting. He also has connections with the KKK, by the way! You got to love that one!

I think that he’s a republican and the liberal media loves to paint the picture of republicans as racist, though if you’ve read my essay on that you know it’s an absurd accusation and that historically the republicans have been the dominate advocate of civil rights.

I think the media kept him out of the spotlight for the same reasons. He holds stances on issues that they’re not willing to compromise on. Liberals will never release abortion, that single issue wins elections. He’s against abortion, as any logical person will be. On the other hand, he’s against Israel and conservatives won’t compromise on that. So even though he may or may not be awesome in other areas, neither one wants his career to go further because they don’t want to compromise on THESE issues.
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Well on the MLK issue I am not going to call it bogus even though it may sound ludicrous if the evidence is there then who knows it may be true. I will go through your links like I said I am open minded. Right now I will go under the notion he made those statements all by himself unless your links and the research I am about to do it on proves otherwise.

The reason why this issue never peaked my interest is because he did a lot of good for African Americans I mean without him would there still be the Jim Crow laws around and the horrible treatment of blacks? So it is like even tho plagerized should we let take effect the whole lot of good that came out afterwards?
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A viable solution for real change would be a transition from a two-party system to a multi-party system, such as what they have in England. The method of change is simple redistricting to remove districts - however many seats are open, everyone gets to vote on - such as, if your state has 20 congressmen up for reelection in the US House of representatives, everyone in the state votes for who they want and the top 20 vote getters win. Instantly you would have probably 6-9 democrats & republicans each, but then you'd have a handful of third party canidates that got just enough votes to get elected. The third party guys would still be a minority- but they'd be in the door, and the two main parties would have to form coalitions with the other parties to get stuff done.

I just don't understand how we allow a two party system to persist. If we were talking economics, and there were only two companies competing against each other the government would step in and say it was illegal due to lack of fair competition. So why is it ok for the government to not have competition?
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