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What is true intelligence?
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true intelligence...using what you've got for the betterment of the many
what is intelligence if it's not shared?
i believe that is my mission in life--

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going to skewl pretty much O.o
Posted 8/27/09
If you google true intelligence you'll find EverlastingDivinity

Seriously, IQ tests don't measure crap. Just like the SATs. I got an IQ of 141. What the hell does that mean? It's just a stupid number someone made up to make people who score low feel like crap and give those who score high a chance to brag. About a freakin number.

And if you know all these chemistry equations and legal jargon...but have no common sense at all, does that make you intelligent still? I probably make nooo sense cause I'm been drowning in homework.
Posted 8/28/09

emld571995 wrote:
What do you think is the true intelligence?
I have a personal standard about figuring out a person's intelligence that goes like this:

Figure out a person is tough
Figure out how a system works is easier than you would think
A person that works for a system is therefore a no-brain-er.


Something like a wordplay, if you must.
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don't know
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I think that true intelligence is just plain data, so pretty much the memorization processing of that data. Kinda like computers
Posted 8/31/09

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I think that true intelligence is just plain data, so pretty much the memorization processing of that data. Kinda like computers
A computer won't generate results without inputs, yet a human is capable of imaginations. Just like a computer must be programed on how to play chess, when human created the game of chess by imagining it.

Another example is that while a computer lacks awareness, a human who is self-aware will constantly question ones own meaning of existence. When everything a computer is but synthetic, a human is capable of genuine authenticity.

Therefore by your definition of true intelligence is memorization and computation, then the smartest man alive should be someone who can take the most orders and follows them to the letter. AKA a robotic slave...

I doubt it.
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DomFortress wrote:


TheShadowOfLight wrote:

I think that true intelligence is just plain data, so pretty much the memorization processing of that data. Kinda like computers
A computer won't generate results without inputs, yet a human is capable of imaginations. Just like a computer must be programed on how to play chess, when human created the game of chess by imagining it.

Another example is that while a computer lacks awareness, a human who is self-aware will constantly question ones own meaning of existence. When everything a computer is but synthetic, a human is capable of genuine authenticity.

Therefore by your definition of true intelligence is memorization and computation, then the smartest man alive should be someone who can take the most orders and follows them to the letter. AKA a robotic slave...

I doubt it.


'if intelligence was the mix of memorization and self awareness, than that would make the apes smarter than us.'

Apes have a far greater level of short term memory than humans, there long term is just as good as humans, plus there more than able to create things. why we are fare more advance than they are is do to one thing and only one thing. We teach are kids, aka we learn everything that are for fathers had learn in the past. From there we are able to advance even more. Wile Apes do not teach there kids. There kids must learn on there own. If apes started teaching there kids like humans did. Apes be just as far along as we are. But then you shit your self to see just how smart apes that had a teacher are. At that they understand English, can type, play video games, or even read a News Paper.
What I fear is that people start using apes as the next slaves, that or humans kill them off just because of humans need to be better than all that is around them. The idea of something else at human level would anger most humans. (do to there selfishness.)
Posted 8/31/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:'if intelligence was the mix of memorization and self awareness, than that would make the apes smarter than us.'

Apes have a far greater level of short term memory than humans, there long term is just as good as humans, plus there more than able to create things. why we are fare more advance than they are is do to one thing and only one thing. We teach are kids, aka we learn everything that are for fathers had learn in the past. From there we are able to advance even more. Wile Apes do not teach there kids. There kids must learn on there own. If apes started teaching there kids like humans did. Apes be just as far along as we are. But then you shit your self to see just how smart apes that had a teacher are. At that they understand English, can type, play video games, or even read a News Paper.
What I fear is that people start using apes as the next slaves, that or humans kill them off just because of humans need to be better than all that is around them. The idea of something else at human level would anger most humans. (do to there selfishness.)
A prove that once again, a well rounded discipline is what makes us humans smarter.

In positive psychology(http://www.ppc.sas.upenn.edu/), a "love of learning" is a character strength under the virtue of "Wisdom and Knowledge" that's defined by the VIA(Value in Action) Institute on Character(http://www.viacharacter.org/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx) as:

Love of learning
Mastering new skills, topics, and bodies of knowledge, whether on one's own or formally; obviously related to the strength of curiosity but goes beyond it to describe the tendency to add systematically to what one knows.

As we can see, simply by knowing what it is doesn't mean that we've learned it. We've got to master it. That being said, how many of us went beyond ourselves by trying to master others. Before we show true mastery of ourselves through "self-regulation", another character strength under the virtue of "Temperance":

Self-Regulation (self-control)
Regulating what one feels and does; being disciplined; controlling one's appetites and emotions

Personally, my own love of learning had cost me to suffer greatly, when I couldn't learn anything new at my old workplace and subsequently, lost my job because I couldn't focus on what I do that's not teaching me anything what I've already knew. It's a dumb job, and I was suffering greatly because of it. However my manager can't provide the job satisfaction that I need, and I ended up loosing my job because of it...

Wait, that didn't sound right at all.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:'if intelligence was the mix of memorization and self awareness, than that would make the apes smarter than us.'

Apes have a far greater level of short term memory than humans, there long term is just as good as humans, plus there more than able to create things. why we are fare more advance than they are is do to one thing and only one thing. We teach are kids, aka we learn everything that are for fathers had learn in the past. From there we are able to advance even more. Wile Apes do not teach there kids. There kids must learn on there own. If apes started teaching there kids like humans did. Apes be just as far along as we are. But then you shit your self to see just how smart apes that had a teacher are. At that they understand English, can type, play video games, or even read a News Paper.
What I fear is that people start using apes as the next slaves, that or humans kill them off just because of humans need to be better than all that is around them. The idea of something else at human level would anger most humans. (do to there selfishness.)
A prove that once again, a well rounded discipline is what makes us humans smarter.

In positive psychology(http://www.ppc.sas.upenn.edu/), a "love of learning" is a character strength under the virtue of "Wisdom and Knowledge" that's defined by the VIA(Value in Action) Institute on Character(http://www.viacharacter.org/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx) as:

Love of learning
Mastering new skills, topics, and bodies of knowledge, whether on one's own or formally; obviously related to the strength of curiosity but goes beyond it to describe the tendency to add systematically to what one knows.



As we can see, simply by knowing what it is doesn't mean that we've learned it. We've got to master it. That being said, how many of us went beyond ourselves by trying to master others. Before we show true mastery of ourselves through "self-regulation", another character strength under the virtue of "Temperance":

Self-Regulation (self-control)
Regulating what one feels and does; being disciplined; controlling one's appetites and emotions

Personally, my own love of learning had cost me to suffer greatly, when I couldn't learn anything new at my old workplace and subsequently, lost my job because I couldn't focus on what I do that's not teaching me anything what I've already knew. It's a dumb job, and I was suffering greatly because of it. However my manager can't provide the job satisfaction that I need, and I ended up loosing my job because of it...

Wait, that didn't sound right at all.




Nothing you said changes the fact that Apes in them self can be at the same level as us if it was not for there one downfall.
I was going off what One said about what is needed to be smart. Also your thread you posted only shows that Apes are in away are equals for they demonstrate the same qualities. That you expect represent intelligences in that thread.

Posted 8/31/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:Nothing you said changes the fact that Apes in them self can be at the same level as us if it was not for there one downfall.
I was going off what One said about what is needed to be smart. Also your thread you posted only shows that Apes are in away are equals for they demonstrate the same qualities. That you expect represent intelligences in that thread.
What you and I are doing is a clear representation of just how much smarter we are than mere apes; for we are engaging in a conversation of exchanging ideas with written language. This is a form of communication that no other species on earth has yet to develop on their owns and for good reason, not for a long time if ever. Because just like you've said so before, apes don't teach their young.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:Nothing you said changes the fact that Apes in them self can be at the same level as us if it was not for there one downfall.
I was going off what One said about what is needed to be smart. Also your thread you posted only shows that Apes are in away are equals for they demonstrate the same qualities. That you expect represent intelligences in that thread.
What you and I are doing is a clear representation of just how much smarter we are than mere apes; for we are engaging in a conversation of exchanging ideas with written language. This is a form of communication that no other species on earth has yet to develop on their owns and for good reason, not for a long time if ever. Because just like you've said so before, apes don't teach their young.


In the same time it is found that Apes do communicate in there own form of language, there also able to deliberate with each other. Just like humans they get upset, angry at each other as well, they also able to learn and modify things to better suet them.
Example, apes that learn English sign-language over time learn to make new words to express things they had no words for, also they change some words to better suet there hands. But I can show videos of this as well. as will do once I am home, I am at work right now. I can also show example of them showing ability to understand how things around them work with no human telling them so.
Posted 8/31/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:What you and I are doing is a clear representation of just how much smarter we are than mere apes; for we are engaging in a conversation of exchanging ideas with written language. This is a form of communication that no other species on earth has yet to develop on their owns and for good reason, not for a long time if ever. Because just like you've said so before, apes don't teach their young.


In the same time it is found that Apes do communicate in there own form of language, there also able to deliberate with each other. Just like humans they get upset, angry at each other as well, they also able to learn and modify things to better suet them.
Example, apes that learn English sign-language over time learn to make new words to express things they had no words for, also they change some words to better suet there hands. But I can show videos of this as well. as will do once I am home, I am at work right now. I can also show example of them showing ability to understand how things around them work with no human telling them so.
I'm saying that the human written language alone is what's vital to the perpetuation of human intelligence. Because it ensures the continuing evolution of the human intelligence, through a standardized documentation of ideas originated from human intellect. And no other animal species on Earth besides human, has the habit of documenting their own thoughts, through a form of expression that will make their ideas and experiences permanent.

And as for creativity that's also prevalent in apes, I have an explanation to that too in human's habit of creation; a need to break-free from the past by becoming something original.
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stimulates brain cells, and btw true intelligence is what u will never have...
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'No... that is not true intelligence!'

True Intelligence is questioning everything, seeking out the evidence, than coming up with your Ideals using a mountain of evidence and facts.
True Intelligence is not accepting anything without testing it out and finding the facts for it.
True Intelligence is not accepting anything on Blind ignorance or also known as Faith. (its about seeking out the truth.)

'And yes this works with everything!'


Or is this more of Wisdom and Logic I am explaining?


no, your explaining the scientific method. Which will work if u want to be knowlegable. But intelligence is not limited to a scientific stand point.
i mean, just by being human, u r considered an intelligent animal.
its hard to define what intelligence is, reguardless if its false or true. perhaps intelligence is ones ability to adapt to situations at a very fast pace? you can be ignorant and still be intelligent. Keep in mind, wisdom/knowledge/ and intelligence are 3 different things.

"intelligence is genetic and environmental, knowlege is learned, and wisdom is gained" peace over war
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