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What is true intelligence?
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Posted 9/2/09

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DomFortress wrote:What you and I are doing is a clear representation of just how much smarter we are than mere apes; for we are engaging in a conversation of exchanging ideas with written language. This is a form of communication that no other species on earth has yet to develop on their owns and for good reason, not for a long time if ever. Because just like you've said so before, apes don't teach their young.


In the same time it is found that Apes do communicate in there own form of language, there also able to deliberate with each other. Just like humans they get upset, angry at each other as well, they also able to learn and modify things to better suet them.
Example, apes that learn English sign-language over time learn to make new words to express things they had no words for, also they change some words to better suet there hands. But I can show videos of this as well. as will do once I am home, I am at work right now. I can also show example of them showing ability to understand how things around them work with no human telling them so.
I'm saying that the human written language alone is what's vital to the perpetuation of human intelligence. Because it ensures the continuing evolution of the human intelligence, through a standardized documentation of ideas originated from human intellect. And no other animal species on Earth besides human, has the habit of documenting their own thoughts, through a form of expression that will make their ideas and experiences permanent.

And as for creativity that's also prevalent in apes, I have an explanation to that too in human's habit of creation; a need to break-free from the past by becoming something original.


'Well Insects don't have to, everything they need to know including there advance communication abilities are programmed into them through there DNA.' So knowledge is passed down through DNA wen it comes to BUGS. Think about it, If there are Aliens out there, They could have evolved much like bugs, making it so they do not need to teach there kids in order for them to be smart, and know there task in life.' So Written knowledge is one form of Wisdom / not really Intelligences its wisdom we are passing down but there are other forms of intelligence. Some even Humans can not reach. Unless we are going to start messing with Human DNA.
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here is my favorite quote on this topic(sorry i probably butchered it, off of my own memory)

intelligence is when you are smart enough to say that you know nothing.

I can do the Rubiks cube in 30 sec! Lol *looks over at 7 year old do it* -_-

Posted 9/3/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:'Well Insects don't have to, everything they need to know including there advance communication abilities are programmed into them through there DNA.' So knowledge is passed down through DNA wen it comes to BUGS. Think about it, If there are Aliens out there, They could have evolved much like bugs, making it so they do not need to teach there kids in order for them to be smart, and know there task in life.' So Written knowledge is one form of Wisdom / not really Intelligences its wisdom we are passing down but there are other forms of intelligence. Some even Humans can not reach. Unless we are going to start messing with Human DNA.
What's to say that Human gene mapping aren't the first step towards making genetically enhanced humans? "Leveling the playing-field" suddenly took on a whole new meaning, when humanity's fate is destined by the genetic codes within their DNA.

And yes, by that I'm saying that tampering with normal, thereby healthy human DNA at birth is the same as cheating nature. And I have more respect with nature's designs as oppose to humans' inability to overcome their collective weaknesses, without us resorting to cheating ourselves.
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Posted 10/10/09
To me, having intelligence means...knowing when to stop and knowing when to keep on going.
Posted 10/11/09
A combination of practical and impractical knowledge in large volumes and the ability to utilize it effectively.
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If anyone would like to pursue other definitions of intelligence, I found this book about 15 yrs. ago. It was a fascinating read : Seven Kinds of Smart : Identifying & Developing Your Many Intelligences , by Thomas Armstrong [ pub. Plume: w/ the Penguin Group NY NY. , 1993; ISBN 0-452-26819-2] Still in print, just checked Amazon.
This guy lists the 7 intelligences as : linguistic; spacial; musical; bodily-kinesthetic, logical-mathematical; interpersonal; & intrapersonal. Here's a quote from the 1st Chapt.
" We've grown accustomed in the twentieth century to associating high intelligence with the bookworm, the egg-head, and the academic." This, after citing a scenario, of finding oneself in prehistoric times, & being threatened by a stampeding herd of mastodons, the author asks who from the 20th century would you want to help you out of the situation. The example choices of A. Einstein, James Joyce, or F. D. Roosevelt, some of the most 'brilliant' men of the 20th century, wouldn't be good choices: too puny, too nearsighted, & not in a wheelchair, respectively. Choices such as Arnold Schwarzenegger or Michael Jordan would be better, because the environment & scenario he cited would be served best by "quick reflexes, acute spacial orientation, speed, strength, and agility than E + MC 2, Finnegans Wake, or the New Deal." The book is easy to read & understand, not too textbook-like, & kinda on the short side. It's a really cool ego booster, 'cause there's something there for every kind of intelligence as he defines it. I'm sure there are a lot more books out there on these subjects now, tho..
Posted 10/11/09

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If anyone would like to pursue other definitions of intelligence, I found this book about 15 yrs. ago. It was a fascinating read : Seven Kinds of Smart : Identifying & Developing Your Many Intelligences , by Thomas Armstrong [ pub. Plume: w/ the Penguin Group NY NY. , 1993; ISBN 0-452-26819-2] Still in print, just checked Amazon.
This guy lists the 7 intelligences as : linguistic; spacial; musical; bodily-kinesthetic, logical-mathematical; interpersonal; & intrapersonal. Here's a quote from the 1st Chapt.
" We've grown accustomed in the twentieth century to associating high intelligence with the bookworm, the egg-head, and the academic." This, after citing a scenario, of finding oneself in prehistoric times, & being threatened by a stampeding herd of mastodons, the author asks who from the 20th century would you want to help you out of the situation. The example choices of A. Einstein, James Joyce, or F. D. Roosevelt, some of the most 'brilliant' men of the 20th century, wouldn't be good choices: too puny, too nearsighted, & not in a wheelchair, respectively. Choices such as Arnold Schwarzenegger or Michael Jordan would be better, because the environment & scenario he cited would be served best by "quick reflexes, acute spacial orientation, speed, strength, and agility than E + MC 2, Finnegans Wake, or the New Deal." The book is easy to read & understand, not too textbook-like, & kinda on the short side. It's a really cool ego booster, 'cause there's something there for every kind of intelligence as he defines it. I'm sure there are a lot more books out there on these subjects now, tho..

I've got another book that's more about developing our key character strengths using positive psychology, in order for us to be happy of ourselves as who we are inside: Authentic Happiness by Martin E. P. Seligman, Ph.D.. In this book, it talks about that we are all born with at least one character strength under the virtue of Wisdom and Knowledge, as according to the Value in Action Institute Classification of Character Strength:

Wisdom and Knowledge – Cognitive strengths that entail the acquisition and use of knowledge

* Creativity [originality, ingenuity]: Thinking of novel and productive ways to conceptualize and do things; includes artistic achievement but is not limited to it
* Curiosity [interest, novelty-seeking, openness to experience]: Taking an interest in ongoing experience for its own sake; finding subjects and topics fascinating; exploring and discovering
* Judgment & Open-Mindedness [critical thinking]: Thinking things through and examining them from all sides; not jumping to conclusions; being able to change one's mind in light of evidence; weighing all evidence fairly
* Love of Learning: Mastering new skills, topics, and bodies of knowledge, whether on one's own or formally; obviously related to the strength of curiosity but goes beyond it to describe the tendency to add systematically to what one knows
* Perspective [wisdom]: Being able to provide wise counsel to others; having ways of looking at the world that make sense to oneself and to other people


After I took the VIA character strength survey, I learned that I have Love of Learning as my 5th key character strength. And true enough, to this day I find it to be very satisfying for me to systematically combine several skills, techniques, and knowledge to form my very own youth programs. It's like I'm knowledge networking a system that I think it can empower our youth beyond just academic driven achievements.
Posted 10/11/09
I'm definitely not suffering from "know-it-all" syndrome. Or "I'm-full-of-it" syndrome.


Everyday I learn something.
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Posted 10/12/09

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If you google true intelligence you'll find EverlastingDivinity

Seriously, IQ tests don't measure crap. Just like the SATs. I got an IQ of 141. What the hell does that mean? It's just a stupid number someone made up to make people who score low feel like crap and give those who score high a chance to brag. About a freakin number.

And if you know all these chemistry equations and legal jargon...but have no common sense at all, does that make you intelligent still? I probably make nooo sense cause I'm been drowning in homework.


IQ tests were made in France to measure how "fast" someone learns so that teachers could designate more time to the students that need it. Your IQ places you at genius level. Just saying. It wasn't meant to make others feel bad or brag with, it was made with good intentions and society as of now feels it is a way to measure intelligence. Hence, why I hide my IQ score (it's really high, but its unimportant). I'd rather be seen as an idiot, because it shows you a different side of people.

And yes, I agree with you about the equations and legal jargon. This is why Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences is good. For example, I have been doing university level math since about grade 6. I've also got Asperger's Syndrome (diagnosed in 2002). This suggests that I have high levels of logical-mathematical and visual-spatial (since the two often affect each other) intelligence, but low Interpersonal and Intrapersonal intelligence. An Athlete would have high levels of Bodily-Kinesthetic intelligence.
Posted 10/12/09

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EverlastingDivinity wrote:

If you google true intelligence you'll find EverlastingDivinity

Seriously, IQ tests don't measure crap. Just like the SATs. I got an IQ of 141. What the hell does that mean? It's just a stupid number someone made up to make people who score low feel like crap and give those who score high a chance to brag. About a freakin number.

And if you know all these chemistry equations and legal jargon...but have no common sense at all, does that make you intelligent still? I probably make nooo sense cause I'm been drowning in homework.


IQ tests were made in France to measure how "fast" someone learns so that teachers could designate more time to the students that need it. Your IQ places you at genius level. Just saying. It wasn't meant to make others feel bad or brag with, it was made with good intentions and society as of now feels it is a way to measure intelligence. Hence, why I hide my IQ score (it's really high, but its unimportant). I'd rather be seen as an idiot, because it shows you a different side of people.

And yes, I agree with you about the equations and legal jargon. This is why Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences is good. For example, I have been doing university level math since about grade 6. I've also got Asperger's Syndrome (diagnosed in 2002). This suggests that I have high levels of logical-mathematical and visual-spatial (since the two often affect each other) intelligence, but low Interpersonal and Intrapersonal intelligence. An Athlete would have high levels of Bodily-Kinesthetic intelligence.


Exactly. No need to brag about anything. A girl in my class yaps about having an IQ of 137 but I swear she's a fool. So much better just having fun and not focused on trying to have people think you're oh so smart.
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Posted 10/12/09

DomFortress wrote:


farmbird wrote:
If anyone would like to pursue other definitions of intelligence, I found this book about 15 yrs. ago. It was a fascinating read : Seven Kinds of Smart : Identifying & Developing Your Many Intelligences , by Thomas Armstrong [ pub. Plume: w/ the Penguin Group NY NY. , 1993; ISBN 0-452-26819-2] Still in print, just checked Amazon.
This guy lists the 7 intelligences as : linguistic; spacial; musical; bodily-kinesthetic, logical-mathematical; interpersonal; & intrapersonal. Here's a quote from the 1st Chapt.
" We've grown accustomed in the twentieth century to associating high intelligence with the bookworm, the egg-head, and the academic." This, after citing a scenario, of finding oneself in prehistoric times, & being threatened by a stampeding herd of mastodons, the author asks who from the 20th century would you want to help you out of the situation. The example choices of A. Einstein, James Joyce, or F. D. Roosevelt, some of the most 'brilliant' men of the 20th century, wouldn't be good choices: too puny, too nearsighted, & not in a wheelchair, respectively. Choices such as Arnold Schwarzenegger or Michael Jordan would be better, because the environment & scenario he cited would be served best by "quick reflexes, acute spacial orientation, speed, strength, and agility than E + MC 2, Finnegans Wake, or the New Deal." The book is easy to read & understand, not too textbook-like, & kinda on the short side. It's a really cool ego booster, 'cause there's something there for every kind of intelligence as he defines it. I'm sure there are a lot more books out there on these subjects now, tho..

I've got another book that's more about developing our key character strengths
using positive psychology, in order for us to be happy of ourselves as who we are inside: Authentic Happiness by Martin E. P. Seligman, Ph.D.. In this book, it talks about that we are all born with at least one character strength under the virtue of Wisdom and Knowledge, as according to the Value in Action Institute Classification of Character Strength:

Wisdom and Knowledge – Cognitive strengths that entail the acquisition and use of knowledge

* Creativity [originality, ingenuity]: Thinking of novel and productive ways to conceptualize and do things; includes artistic achievement but is not limited to it
* Curiosity [interest, novelty-seeking, openness to experience]: Taking an interest in ongoing experience for its own sake; finding subjects and topics fascinating; exploring and discovering
* Judgment & Open-Mindedness [critical thinking]: Thinking things through and examining them from all sides; not jumping to conclusions; being able to change one's mind in light of evidence; weighing all evidence fairly
* Love of Learning: Mastering new skills, topics, and bodies of knowledge, whether on one's own or formally; obviously related to the strength of curiosity but goes beyond it to describe the tendency to add systematically to what one knows
* Perspective [wisdom]: Being able to provide wise counsel to others; having ways of looking at the world that make sense to oneself and to other people


After I took the VIA character strength survey, I learned that I have Love of Learning as my 5th key character strength. And true enough, to this day I find it to be very satisfying for me to systematically combine several skills, techniques, and knowledge to form my very own youth programs. It's like I'm knowledge networking a system that I think it can empower our youth beyond just academic driven achievements.

What were your top 4? I did the test also, mine ended up like this:

1. Citizenship, teamwork, and loyalty
2. Fairness, equity, and justice
3. Honesty, authenticity, and genuineness
4. Bravery and valor
5. Caution, prudence, and discretion

Posted 10/12/09

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What were your top 4? I did the test also, mine ended up like this:

1. Citizenship, teamwork, and loyalty
2. Fairness, equity, and justice
3. Honesty, authenticity, and genuineness
4. Bravery and valor
5. Caution, prudence, and discretion


Mine were:

1. Self-control and self-regulation: You self-consciously regulate what you feel and what you do. You are a disciplined person. You are in control of your appetites and your emotions, not vice versa.
2. Spirituality, sense of purpose, and faith: You have strong and coherent beliefs about the higher purpose and meaning of the universe. You know where you fit in the larger scheme. Your beliefs shape your actions and are a source of comfort to you.
3. Bravery and valor: You are a courageous person who does not shrink from threat, challenge, difficulty, or pain. You speak up for what is right even if there is opposition. You act on your convictions.
4. Capacity to love and be loved: You value close relations with others, in particular those in which sharing and caring are reciprocated. The people to whom you feel most close are the same people who feel most close to you.
5. Love of learning: You love learning new things, whether in a class or on your own. You have always loved school, reading, and museums-anywhere and everywhere there is an opportunity to learn.
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..for me inteligence... is just the sum of everything we learn... and i think no one can achieve true intelligence because even geniuses use 10%, at most, of their mind...
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