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Curiosity to see brutality
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Alot of movies like Hostel or Saw have been becoming popular these last couple of years. I don't mind brutality and extreme torture scenes if they have a point (like in Rendition), but now they all seem to be pointless. Horror is fine, but everything in Hostel is just people getting tortured and it's not really as thrilling as it is difficult to watch. They're not even horror movies anymore, it's just concentrated gore. If people get entertainment out of seeing people getting tortured like that in movies, how do they feel watching real torture?

I've noticed that many people seem to be really interested in seeing brutality, like the Saddam Hussein torture vids. I was actually curious to see them myself when someone sent me a link to see them but I only watched 30 seconds before I had to stop. The videos of terrorists beheading or shooting prisoners online is another thing I've noticed alot of people being interested in seeing. Do you think people are naturally curious to see things like that?

What are your reactions to these parts of the Saddam Hussien torture vids:

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I never found movies like Hostel or Saw to be entertaining either, it's just pointless blood and guts. I was never bothered by the sounds of people screaming in pain or the sight of blood tho. Although I know that some people throw up at the first sight of blood. I think that watching something online / in the movies compared to real life, seeing someone getting tortured online or onscreen wouldn't bother someone so much, since it's fake, but in real life it would probably bother them, since it's real and right in front of them. Dunno tho.
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I never did get the point of shows like that.

I rather watch a Comedy of the shallow blood and guts thing.

In the end I can not get into a show that lacks common sense. And lets face it most if not all Blood and Guts shows have no common sense, the characters do stupid things leading them to be mangled to death. I do not see what so great about that.
Posted 8/6/09
Ah yeah..these films are sh*t. but i can understand that some people find things like these fascinating. it might be interesting to see people in pain...and what they do in stress situations like these. i remember when i saw this nazi video about how two immigrants in russia got killed by neo nazis. one got beheaded and one got shot. the preys didn't make as much sound as they like to show in films..damn that scene where the neo nazi did saw the dude's throat had such a long duration...it didn't disgust me nor scare me though. of course it's not something i would want to go through though..

i guess the lack of sympathy for the victims also plays a huge role here. if the person who's being tortured would be someone close to us, or someone we know..then our reaction would be different.

i think films with no other purpose than displaying gore should be banned...if kids watch sh*t like that...
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People are interested in seeing other people suffer.
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hehe reminds me of the good old days when my friends and me used to watch ...eeh.. disturbing... videos in school

thats when I saw BME Pain Olympics for the first time.
And I remember one vid where a guy puked at the same time as someone was cutting his throat open
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I dont know I cant explain it. I have an interest in torture I mean you hear about it is and the methods of torture. I just want to see how far someone takes the human body through to get some information out or hurt them before they collapse. I read up on torture and medieval torture ouch lol wouldn't want to live in that time. But yea I think it is just curosity to see how it is done and how these people can survive it.... well if they survive.
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/b/ is your friend if you like gore scat and so much more
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Yei wrote:

Alot of movies like Hostel or Saw


Saw’s not a movie it’s a fucking high budget snuff film.

Interesting tidbit: In Germany nudity isn’t censored, but violence is. America, on the other hand, rates its videos on a system that equates mutilating somebody to showing a nipple. It also bars vaginal, anal, or oral penetration from videos that aren’t rated in Nc-17 or XXX…and yet, we’re completely fine with high budget snuff films under the category of rated R.

America has more violent crimes, Germany has an issue with sex crimes. Dunno if there's any causation here, but there is some correlation. Interesting, isn't it?
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I dont know I cant explain it. I have an interest in torture I mean you hear about it is and the methods of torture. I just want to see how far someone takes the human body through to get some information out or hurt them before they collapse. I read up on torture and medieval torture ouch lol wouldn't want to live in that time. But yea I think it is just curosity to see how it is done and how these people can survive it.... well if they survive.


Modern tactics aren’t exactly pleasant either. I actually think that while medieval torture is worse in that it causes long term debilitation, modern torture is more adept at causing temporary but intense pain. Saddam’s chemical tortures, the US’ effective use of electricity, and that doesn’t even start me on Israel or Saudi Arabia.
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Yei wrote:

Alot of movies like Hostel or Saw


Saw’s not a movie it’s a fucking high budget snuff film.

Interesting tidbit: In Germany nudity isn’t censored, but violence is. America, on the other hand, rates its videos on a system that equates mutilating somebody to showing a nipple. It also bars vaginal, anal, or oral penetration from videos that aren’t rated in Nc-17 or XXX…and yet, we’re completely fine with high budget snuff films under the category of rated R.

America has more violent crimes, Germany has an issue with sex crimes. Dunno if there's any causation here, but there is some correlation. Interesting, isn't it?


America is a repressed country, hence why the "evil aspects" are expressed in disturbing ways.
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Yei wrote:

Alot of movies like Hostel or Saw


Saw’s not a movie it’s a fucking high budget snuff film.

Interesting tidbit: In Germany nudity isn’t censored, but violence is. America, on the other hand, rates its videos on a system that equates mutilating somebody to showing a nipple. It also bars vaginal, anal, or oral penetration from videos that aren’t rated in Nc-17 or XXX…and yet, we’re completely fine with high budget snuff films under the category of rated R.

America has more violent crimes, Germany has an issue with sex crimes. Dunno if there's any causation here, but there is some correlation. Interesting, isn't it?


The first Saw was actually kind of interesting, then they just got worse and worse. Hostel was always disgusting and pointless.

Here's a wonderful scene from the first one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCIbyFyG4bA

I really doubt what is or isn't censored in movies affects the crimes of a country. That's probably just a coincidence, people in Germany probably still get alot of exposure to violence in the media, and people in the US still are exposed to alot of sexuality in the media. And the violent crimes in the US are probably not due to what people see in movies lol

And what's weird is I heard Bruno was not rated NC17 in the US, here in Canada it was just 18+ even though it had crazy gay sex scenes and one scene where people were having orgies.
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Yei wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Yei wrote:

Alot of movies like Hostel or Saw


Saw’s not a movie it’s a fucking high budget snuff film.

Interesting tidbit: In Germany nudity isn’t censored, but violence is. America, on the other hand, rates its videos on a system that equates mutilating somebody to showing a nipple. It also bars vaginal, anal, or oral penetration from videos that aren’t rated in Nc-17 or XXX…and yet, we’re completely fine with high budget snuff films under the category of rated R.

America has more violent crimes, Germany has an issue with sex crimes. Dunno if there's any causation here, but there is some correlation. Interesting, isn't it?


The first Saw was actually kind of interesting, then they just got worse and worse. Hostel was always disgusting and pointless.

Here's a wonderful scene from the first one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCIbyFyG4bA

I really doubt what is or isn't censored in movies affects the crimes of a country. That's probably just a coincidence, people in Germany probably still get alot of exposure to violence in the media, and people in the US still are exposed to alot of sexuality in the media. And the violent crimes in the US are probably not due to what people see in movies lol

And what's weird is I heard Bruno was not rated NC17 in the US, here in Canada it was just 18+ even though it had crazy gay sex scenes and one scene where people were having orgies.



Well in japan Battle Royal was only rated pg lol, in america that movie would have been rated R at least.

I guess its just a matter of the countries preferences. What's significant in one country is totally insignificant in another I guess.
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The first Saw was actually kind of interesting, then they just got worse and worse. Hostel was always disgusting and pointless.

Here's a wonderful scene from the first one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCIbyFyG4bA

I really doubt what is or isn't censored in movies affects the crimes of a country. That's probably just a coincidence, people in Germany probably still get alot of exposure to violence in the media, and people in the US still are exposed to alot of sexuality in the media. And the violent crimes in the US are probably not due to what people see in movies lol

And what's weird is I heard Bruno was not rated NC17 in the US, here in Canada it was just 18+ even though it had crazy gay sex scenes and one scene where people were having orgies.



We don’t classify videos with political intent as pornographic in American. Exhibitionists get away on this same constitutional technicality all the time. The hippies loved to do it.

Bruno got the same rating here. It was rated R, meaning you have to be eighteen years old or have a parent/guardian with you. My brother watched that and said it was hilarious. Now I can’t wait to see it. Anyway, I agree. America has always had an issue with violence, and Germany is just generally a sexual society. People walk up to the swimming pool naked, we’re famous for our beer and nude beaches, and prostitution is a major industry.

I didn’t watch the first Saw. I watched the second and hated it. I’m afraid I can’t watch that hostile clip. I’m a girly man. I can’t stand seeing people or animals get hurt. I’m all for plant carnage though.

To address your initial question, I recommend you do some research on schadenfreude. It’s a German loanword to the English language used by psychologists to describe the natural desire to see other people hurt and the pleasure attained in the realization of this desire present in Human beings. Yet another reason I think people are evil by their nature and it is only through religion, secular humanism, and society that we’re taught morality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/24/arts/sorrow-so-sweet-a-guilty-pleasure-in-another-s-woe.html.
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Yei

The first Saw was actually kind of interesting, then they just got worse and worse. Hostel was always disgusting and pointless.

Here's a wonderful scene from the first one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCIbyFyG4bA

I really doubt what is or isn't censored in movies affects the crimes of a country. That's probably just a coincidence, people in Germany probably still get alot of exposure to violence in the media, and people in the US still are exposed to alot of sexuality in the media. And the violent crimes in the US are probably not due to what people see in movies lol

And what's weird is I heard Bruno was not rated NC17 in the US, here in Canada it was just 18+ even though it had crazy gay sex scenes and one scene where people were having orgies.



We don’t classify videos with political intent as pornographic in American. Exhibitionists get away on this same constitutional technicality all the time. The hippies loved to do it.

Bruno got the same rating here. It was rated R, meaning you have to be eighteen years old or have a parent/guardian with you. My brother watched that and said it was hilarious. Now I can’t wait to see it. Anyway, I agree. America has always had an issue with violence, and Germany is just generally a sexual society. People walk up to the swimming pool naked, we’re famous for our beer and nude beaches, and prostitution is a major industry.

I didn’t watch the first Saw. I watched the second and hated it. I’m afraid I can’t watch that hostile clip. I’m a girly man. I can’t stand seeing people or animals get hurt. I’m all for plant carnage though.

To address your initial question, I recommend you do some research on schadenfreude. It’s a German loanword to the English language used by psychologists to describe the natural desire to see other people hurt and the pleasure attained in the realization of this desire present in Human beings. Yet another reason I think people are evil by their nature and it is only through religion, secular humanism, and society that we’re taught morality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/24/arts/sorrow-so-sweet-a-guilty-pleasure-in-another-s-woe.html.


Bruno should have gotten NC-17, when I went there were lots of kids with their parents. It made it really awkward when the really bad parts came on. Bruno was the funniest movie I've seen since Borat, but you might get offended by the 'shock humor' parts if you're not prepared. And you should watch Borat or Ali G clips on Youtube first before watching it, to get to know what to expect from Sasha Baron Cohen and understand what he does.

The first Saw was the only good one, it had a very interesting plot with a nice twist in the end. Did you see the Saddam Hussien torture vids? The less bloody parts are on Youtube, but I still couldn't get past 30 seconds of the beatings and people being thrown off buildings. It's weird because I was really curious to see them but it probably bothers me even more than you, I'm really sensitive to it.
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