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Something that is Good for Developing Your Debating Skills!!
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Vs threads are good for developing your debating skills.

I am part of many debate groups, you find that Vs threads Are a place where people who Debate work on are skills. For Vs threads are not popularity contest. Vs threads are about explaining the powers of the character, and using your Cannon facts and debating skill to demonstrate what side would win. Such as example...

The Sandman (from. Spiderman) vs Gaara (from Naruto) In this thread a debater would start by explaining some cannon facts to give the character you think would win will win. Sand-Man In my opinion would win for a few reasons and factors.
First Strength/speed, Sand-man is able to lift over 75 to 80 tons that alone gives him a huge advantage, on top of that He can pull of hitting Spider-man who been known to dodge bullets on a good day. Factor two stamina: Sandman is can fight for days without needing rest. Other powers that give the Sandman and edge - Sandman Can fuse with stone or other sand to make him self much larger. Sandman can not be killed not by guns not by force, not even by buildings or bombs falling on him. He is also able to change his body structure to be like dust, or harder than steel. As well as take on other forms, like turning his hand into a spear, or hammer, or turning him self into anything around him allowing him to ambush anyone at any time. on top of that he can travel underground at great speeds, or travel through any crack no matter how small it is.
How I see this fight going is Gaara will hold his own against Sandman for many hours if luck holds out half a Day, but soon he will drain of his Chakra and find him self powerless to stop Sandman from crushing him with a fine-blow.

As you can see from this point it be the other person turn to add on to this, or challenge it by showing how Gaara has the advantage.


For those that think vs threads can not work do to the people that think Vs threads are popularity contest, as long as you explain this to them you not get the one worded hit and runs like Naruto this or that than they run off!
In the end there Other things one can do to make sure the rules of a vs thread is taken to heart and to keep those who only plan to turn it into some form of Popularity contest. And that is to give vs threads there own forum section, where the rules of vs threads can be posted above and people like me who love to vs debate can have a place away from the popularity contest that mess up a real Vs thread.
You find there are a lot of people that do get into Vs debates, if only there is A place for them.

Now explain why you agree or disagree with me. (and have you ever been in a real VS debate thread before, if so there really fun and challenging yes or no?
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You know, even if you would use your intelligence and facts to argue with narutards and thousand of those drooling and squealing fangirls, it won't suffice to write a long post about charaka ( Don't know if this is good spelled), Stamina , Strength and Speed or what you have mentioned up there. The people will all ignore it. and say things as '' GAARAA WILL OWN HIS ASS'', '' WHO IS THAT FUCKTARD? NEVER HEARD OF THE SANDMAN, GAARA IS WAY BETTER AS HIM'', '' SANDMAN WILL NEVER WIN''. It's always like that. Even if you have solid and strong points, the evil side of fangirls and narutards? That's way worse as you think. Never try to argue with them or compare Naruto characters to other characters which are all in an imaginary world of our own.
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Posted 8/11/09 , edited 8/11/09

Baka-God wrote:

You know, even if you would use your intelligence and facts to argue with narutards and thousand of those drooling and squealing fangirls, it won't suffice to write a long post about charaka ( Don't know if this is good spelled), Stamina , Strength and Speed or what you have mentioned up there. The people will all ignore it. and say things as '' GAARAA WILL OWN HIS ASS'', '' WHO IS THAT FUCKTARD? NEVER HEARD OF THE SANDMAN, GAARA IS WAY BETTER AS HIM'', '' SANDMAN WILL NEVER WIN''. It's always like that. Even if you have solid and strong points, the evil side of fangirls and narutards? That's way worse as you think. Never try to argue with them or compare Naruto characters to other characters which are all in an imaginary world of our own.

"there part of the Popularity crap and should not be in a debate Thread Like the ED, or if the vs thread got there own thread, and so I think we get less of them than you think.

At least I hope we can.


Yes I do know how bad it can get... I was there on Gaia back wen vs threads was aloud in the anime section, and we had Naruto fan wanked spamming to hell the thread.
That is where I came up with the name Narutard! Yes I am the creator of that word 'Believe it!' or not!

But then can you blame me for giving those types a name after they spam my threads?
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Posted 8/11/09 , edited 8/11/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Baka-God wrote:

You know, even if you would use your intelligence and facts to argue with narutards and thousand of those drooling and squealing fangirls, it won't suffice to write a long post about charaka ( Don't know if this is good spelled), Stamina , Strength and Speed or what you have mentioned up there. The people will all ignore it. and say things as '' GAARAA WILL OWN HIS ASS'', '' WHO IS THAT FUCKTARD? NEVER HEARD OF THE SANDMAN, GAARA IS WAY BETTER AS HIM'', '' SANDMAN WILL NEVER WIN''. It's always like that. Even if you have solid and strong points, the evil side of fangirls and narutards? That's way worse as you think. Never try to argue with them or compare Naruto characters to other characters which are all in an imaginary world of our own.

"there part of the Popularity crap and should not be in a debate Thread Like the ED, or if the vs thread got there own thread, and so I think we get less of them than you think.

At least I hope we can.


Yes I do know how bad it can get... I was there on Gaia back wen vs threads was aloud in the anime section, and we had Naruto fan wanked spamming to hell the thread.
That is where I came up with the name Narutard! Yes I am the creator of that word 'Believe it!' or not!

But then can you blame me for giving those types a name after they spam my threads?


Yeah, I hope so too. Personally I like to argue with people who're only saying things as '' No, Gaara is better, or Skip beat OWNS''. Do you want to know why? I make them mad, so they might get motivated to write more and state facts, statements and opinions about why they like it or dislike it. Many people are thinking that I am merely a basher or troller, while I only want to achieve something simple like that.

That's why I get banned many times. -_-;;
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I personally agree that Sandman would win. Another factor we have to consider though is that Garaa is trained at what he does. Sandman seems to be a novice and is new with his powers. However, I believe Sandman would still win and that Garaa would loose. Although I wouldn't take my opinion with too much weight because I'm not a Naruto fan and I don't watch the show. I only know bits and pieces. However I have seen the Spiderman movies.
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Posted 8/11/09 , edited 8/11/09

digs wrote:

I personally agree that Sandman would win. Another factor we have to consider though is that Garaa is trained at what he does. Sandman seems to be a novice and is new with his powers. However, I believe Sandman would still win and that Garaa would loose. Although I wouldn't take my opinion with too much weight because I'm not a Naruto fan and I don't watch the show. I only know bits and pieces. However I have seen the Spiderman movies.


'Well I like the Animated sandman more for the animated show The Spectacular Spiderman. You really get to see the sandman for who he is, A big softy. He will not kill others, Unless your the jerk that keeps getting in the way. Than he will splat you like a bug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89buOKApYo&NR=1
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Posted 8/13/09
Just came in to say hi, nice to see some old faces, HI darkphoenix. Can't really join any discussion, as been away too long. May be gone again until dec.

PS: Gaara ( Bloodthirsty version or Peaceful version?) vs Sandman ( movie version or animated version???
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lol wut? Is this thread supposed to be Garaa vs Sandman? Then it sohuld be move to anime or general discussion.
Well........
I think Phoenix didn't intend to talk about whether Garaa or Sandman is superior, I think Phoenix was intend to discuss whether ED is a place for popularity contest or not, and should people whom really has intention to talk seriously (not just some non-sense) has a separate place to argue intelligently.

Well, yeah. I agreed. ED should not be a place for popularity contest for a person who just want to show off to his/her friends just because they posted some non-sense on ED. Well, my suggestion is.... just report them whoever doing it. It's up to mod, whether they'll delete the post or warn the person. (I've done it before, and her posts got deleted~)

Real-life debate? yes, it's more interesting because you can read what they'll say in their next occasion to talk. But, it'll be harder to remember our proof and say the evidence of the matter because you might meet unpredictable topic or question. Unlike here, we have more than enough time and data that we can offered to our opponent.

As for Garaa vs Sandman.... (Since everyone talked about it).
I think Garaa will won against Sandman. Why?

Because Garaa is sand-controller and Sandman is...... sand!
Which means Garaa can do anything he wants as long as Sandman form is sand not in human form.
Well, considered Garaa's cakra ran out. Then, he can turn to be a Ichibi (Monster inside Garaa), blasts anything he can see with powerful cakra of the monster. Let alone sand, all existence will be vanished.

lol wut?
Posted 8/13/09
Agree with Ryu.

In addition, Gaara is still a ninja. A silent killer.
He could creep behind Sandman from the shadows. Voila! A kunai knife slicing Sandman's throat.

Well, Sandman is a sand-base. Even if he tries to creep behind Gaara, he'll fail. Gaara has an automatic sand-armor wrapping himself.


Sandman's weakness?
Is it water, right?
Well, as for Gaara, he could just lure Sandman to any bodies of water, while at the same time, Gaara could just walk afloat on top of the water with his chakra.


lol wut?

eheh. >.^
Posted 8/13/09
Gaara is the target favorite of a lot of narutard fangirls, You are on a fangirl site. You're a bit outnumbered.
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kyoukoujin wrote:

Agree with Ryu.

In addition, Gaara is still a ninja. A silent killer.
He could creep behind Sandman from the shadows. Voila! A kunai knife slicing Sandman's throat.

Well, Sandman is a sand-base. Even if he tries to creep behind Gaara, he'll fail. Gaara has an automatic sand-armor wrapping himself.


Sandman's weakness?
Is it water, right?
Well, as for Gaara, he could just lure Sandman to any bodies of water, while at the same time, Gaara could just walk afloat on top of the water with his chakra.


lol wut?

eheh. >.^


This thread is to explain a vs thread and why there good for debates its Gaara sandman things was for example.

Ass for your Gaara has a auto sand shield you forget it can be broken through its not invincible. Now think of a person that can turn his arm into a razer sharp lance that is few times harder than steal and thrust it through Gaara shield with more than 85 tons of force behind it. From there even if gaara some how dodges this attack he than can use the hole he made to pass through the shield and crush gaara with over 85 tuns squish attack. Do you think water hurts Sandman? Wrong, at that sandman shows just as much if not more controll over sand than Gaara, And if Gaara runs out of chakra that means his inner monster did as well. Don't think the monster in Gaara will help him. If anything it will make him even easier to kill. Being that will limit Gaara defense in that form, think Naruto was able to head bunt him. Sandman could just make him self 70 feet tall than pound on the beast in the same time smash Gaara wile he is nocking out the beast in the same time. What I am getting at is Both Gaara and Sand-man can control sand around them, But Gaara has a linit as shown with the Bone dude forget his name, but Sandman does not, he does not get tired, Plus Sandman has shown to have more control over sand than Gaara, being he also able to change the structure of the sand it self, making it as dense and harder than steel or Or as soft and light as dust. So Sandman can fly as well. Being I don't think you know Sandmans powers so you can not judge his skills fairly I will post a video link of the Anime of the Sandman. (see if that aids you in understanding his power levels better.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89buOKApYo

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Ryutai-Desk wrote:

lol wut? Is this thread supposed to be Garaa vs Sandman? Then it sohuld be move to anime or general discussion.
Well........
I think Phoenix didn't intend to talk about whether Garaa or Sandman is superior, I think Phoenix was intend to discuss whether ED is a place for popularity contest or not, and should people whom really has intention to talk seriously (not just some non-sense) has a separate place to argue intelligently.

Well, yeah. I agreed. ED should not be a place for popularity contest for a person who just want to show off to his/her friends just because they posted some non-sense on ED. Well, my suggestion is.... just report them whoever doing it. It's up to mod, whether they'll delete the post or warn the person. (I've done it before, and her posts got deleted~)

Real-life debate? yes, it's more interesting because you can read what they'll say in their next occasion to talk. But, it'll be harder to remember our proof and say the evidence of the matter because you might meet unpredictable topic or question. Unlike here, we have more than enough time and data that we can offered to our opponent.

As for Garaa vs Sandman.... (Since everyone talked about it).
I think Garaa will won against Sandman. Why?

Because Garaa is sand-controller and Sandman is...... sand!
Which means Garaa can do anything he wants as long as Sandman form is sand not in human form.
Well, considered Garaa's cakra ran out. Then, he can turn to be a Ichibi (Monster inside Garaa), blasts anything he can see with powerful cakra of the monster. Let alone sand, all existence will be vanished.

lol wut?


Look at my last post just above this one ^
Its for you ass well. Hope the clip helps you understand Sandman better, as well as my little speech helps you understand the thread more.
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i think it depends on the battle arena.
if the battle arena has no water, then sandman wins, because if sandman attacked he'll becomes sand, right?
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Posted 8/15/09 , edited 8/15/09

hitmantutor wrote:

i think it depends on the battle arena.
if the battle arena has no water, then sandman wins, because if sandman attacked he'll becomes sand, right?


'He does not become Sand, he is a mutated sand like thing, who can take and control sand around him.' In other words he is always in a sand life form one way or another. He has no flesh or blood. really intense fire is his only real weakness, and I do not See Gaara using any fire skills.

Sand-Man is not harm from water, he can sit under the ocean and take the sand from underneath the ocean and make it part of him. So fighting over the ocean would give sandman the advantage.

I keep posting this clip to show people that he is not harmed from the ocean if anything it makes him stronger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89buOKApYo
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Posted 8/15/09 , edited 8/15/09
I don't think the Spectacular Spider-man or anything outside of the comics could really be considered canon, since they aren't created by Stan Lee. The original Sandman created by Lee didn't have many of the powers that he has in the movies and recent cartoons, and water was his main weakness. So if the debate is limited to canonical material, Sandman wouldn't be nearly as invincible as he is depicted in the cartoon, and I think he wouldn't be able to become as huge as he is able to now nor have the stamina that he does now. I've never read the comics, but my older brother has, and he has told me that Sandman is a lot more badass now than he was in the comics, and that he never turned into the invincible colossus that he is now. He also mentioned that Spider-man was able to harm him with punches and physical objects if he caught him off-guard.

Therefore, Gaara could simply lure him to water or possibly possess better sand-control skills than the canonical Sandman. I can't say for sure since I don't know the full extent of Gaara's powers (I hate Naruto and stopped watching when Shippuden started) or the original Sandman's powers, but based on what I've seen in his fights against Rock Lee and Naruto, I can guess that Garaa would be able to use the demon thing inside him to take out Sandman.
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