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ShroomInferno wrote: Anyway, Seraph, my question would be....will we proceed with the debate in this thread, or will you create a thread explicitly made for this debate experiment? If so...what subject is everyone willing to partake in the most? I would hope that it isn't a religious topic...again..but then again..it would be an interesting outcome. I don’t think we should continue the arguments in here; that would get disjointed and confusing. Perhaps we can try another approach? I was thinking that we could either create individuals threads for the topic here in the ED or we could just start a throw away group. When we’re done with a devil’s advocate arguments we could just delete it, but in the mean time it would give us a spammer free medium to play out the exorcize with organization. |
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I agree. I think it would be a good idea to add a note in the header of each thread that it's a a focus on the devil's advocate approach, that is..if we're going to proceed with this idea in the ED section. |
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I said maybe, baby. But I just don't know.
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Ryutai-Desk wrote: To participate I think we should make our stance clear, right? Well, My stance for the following topic is: 1. Abortion : Against 2. Israel : Against Israel 3. Capital Punishment : In favor 4. Homosexual Marriage : Against 5. Nature vs. Nurture in homosexuality : not sure, but I think Nurture has more influence 6. Islam v. Christianity : Islam 7. Atheism v. Religion : Religion 8. Creation v. Evolution : Both, until the extend of evolution that can't be explained 9. Global Warming : ........... Nature. (Care to elaborate? Do you meant between the nations in Kyoto Protocol or what?) Well, has been said that. I think I won't participate in Islam vs Christianity. I don't have deep understanding in that. Everything is no problem, even though I don't really have support for Israel, I think it's okay. I'm not sure, how long I can, though. Feel free~ You know, I already started a thread on the Kyoto Protocol and nobody cared about it. Sad story, but true. I meant Global Warming being natural or manmade. You're pretty educated for an alleged 13 year old. Where are you from, anyway? For some reason I got it in my head that you're in Egypt. |
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OFF TOPIC ......... Someone should make the Devil's Advocate topic first. Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide SeraphAlford wrote: I don’t really recall where the video was. I’m not even sure if it was on Youtube or some other streaming website. Concerning the argument in the first video, it’s incorrect on two notes. First off: His basic argument is that the bible says God is not tempted but the bible also says that Jesus was tempted; therefore, Jesus cannot be god. James 1:13- “When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone.” Mathew 4:1- “Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the dessert to be tempted by the devil.” It is a classic three part deductive argument; you will come across a lot of these in debate and logic. However, look at the verses he cites to argue that Jesus was tempted. When you read them in context you see that, yes. Satan tried to make Jesus do bad things. However, Jesus had no desire to do such a thing. Imagine that we’re driving along and we see a man sitting on the side of the road with his pregnant wife. I then say, “Hey, let’s kill those two!” and you say, “No!” because you’re a good person and you don’t WANT to hurt other people. So, I am tempting you in that I am trying to convince you to do something. However, you are not tempted to do it because you do not have a desire to do something so heinous. I am tempting you; you are being tempted in the car as Jesus was being tempted in the desert but you are not tempted. You are subjected to my action of tempting but there is no temptation on your part; therefore, I could write that you were being tempted but are never tempted. Next, in Christianity Jesus Christ was given two separate natures. He has the nature of God and the nature of Man. (John 1:1,14; 8:24; Col. 2:9; 1 John 4:1-4). The whole idea of his sacrifice is that he came down and lived through the trails not of god, but of man, so that man could relate with their God. Jesus as a prophet came down so that we could understand God’s message, and as a man so that we could understand gods nature. If God is a foreign entity, like nothing in creation, then how can we have a relationship with him? If you cannot comprehend something, you cannot know it. How can you have a relationship with something you don’t even know? So while his godly nature could not be tempted he still suffered the impulses of the flesh. It’s really a complicated theological concept and there’s actually no real consensus amongst the tens of thousands of Christian sects. Remember, we’re the only religion large than Islam, and we’re larger by far. Obviously we’re not all going to agree on every single thing. I see. Now that's clear. What makes me wonder is... why the devil brave enough to temp his own creator? I mean, devils made by God, right? Assuming Jesus is God, the devil would not have bravery or.... even some expectation that the God would be tempted, yes? After all, God is superior than any of His creation. So why devil had expectation that God would follow the devil? Sorry for lacks of understanding. In Islam, there are many verses that we can refer so we understand the God's nature. I think you know about Asmaul Husna (99 name of God). especially The One, The Unique, Manifestation of Unity. In order to know His teaching, we don't have to understand everything about Him, because our brains will not able to comprehend it. After all He is the most superior beings. That's why the Prophets exists. As messenger, as Messiah for all humans of the world. |
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SeraphAlford wrote: You know, I already started a thread on the Kyoto Protocol and nobody cared about it. Sad story, but true. I meant Global Warming being natural or manmade. You're pretty educated for an alleged 13 year old. Where are you from, anyway? For some reason I got it in my head that you're in Egypt. Maybe it because they tired of endless treaty concern about this matter. So... yeah, those nations are hopeless, after all. Personally, I think it because of human. I'm not sure, though. As there's controversy about global warming itself, I might look it more if this continues. Thanks for your compliment, well to be honest I'm not sure about my country. When I was a Kid, I'm Indonesian and after 2002 I'm not Indonesian anymore. I belongs to 4th world country now called Timor-Leste. Screw nationality... I don't care. It just distinction between territory, World belongs to everyone. Sorry for the harsh word, it's sucks yeah..... the war, I mean. |
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I hope it will be popular because man really now in CR not many people are posting in threads anymore usual you see the same people lol. I remember back in the days when there was only General discussion now that was hot as threads would go past 20 pages and everytime you would log on to CR there would be many posts. Now lol you see the same thread with someone who last posted on it 4 hours ago. I hope I am understanding this thread right but please correct me if I am not. Seraph is saying debate in favor of something you disagree with right?
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Imma' get you Sucka!
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Its not really about quantity but quality. There are the same old faces but there seems to be some really good ones (new users) here too.
PS: Hellllloooooooo drizzaaaa!!!!! |
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Infinite bounty and charm
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Man, I found this thread late.
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i like pie
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'I think we should do a commonest vs capitalist governing system one as well.
Or maby Gods vs God. What makes more sense. or maby large government vs small government pros. and cons. |
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote: 'I think we should do a commonest vs capitalist governing system one as well. Or maby Gods vs God. What makes more sense. or maby large government vs small government pros. and cons. Well, having studied the history of both I’d be totally screwed on that argument because I hate capitalism and communism. The former sacrifices individual life quality for economic growth that thereby helps nobody except a tiny minority. For example, in capitalist America the railroad and oil companies benefited so that 10% of the US population controlled 90% of the US wealth. Communism on the other hand sacrifices individual rights for the sake of a system. Communism is essentially fascism except the former is controlled by military dictatorship while the former is controlled by political dictatorship. So, while Gaza may be kept in control with threats from Hamas and Israel, North Korea is kept under control through extensive brainwashing. Hamas hasn't got anything on the North Korean dictators. Anyway, people I need some more specific and consistent answers. So, do me a favor and: List which issues you’d be interested in doing this with Tell me if you’d rather do it in a group or just in a public forum I'll do the rest, you lazy basts. |
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This will be really challenging unless I use the same arguments that people I've argued against always use. Arguments that I think are invalid and pointless.
"Israel treats Palestinians very badly." "Oh, and it's ok for Hamas to do this:.." =__= "You can't disprove the existence of God by attacking religion." "The Bible contradicts itself!!" =___= "There's nothing wrong with homosexuality." "But they can't have kids!!" =_____= Now that I think about it, if I want to make only valid arguments it's going to be very difficult. |
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not on crunchyroll anymore..... too busy with life
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SeraphAlford wrote: Well, having studied the history of both I’d be totally screwed on that argument because I hate capitalism and communism. The former sacrifices individual life quality for economic growth that thereby helps nobody except a tiny minority. For example, in capitalist America the railroad and oil companies benefited so that 10% of the US population controlled 90% of the US wealth. Communism on the other hand sacrifices individual rights for the sake of a system. Communism is essentially fascism except the former is controlled by military dictatorship while the former is controlled by political dictatorship. So, while Gaza may be kept in control with threats from Hamas and Israel, North Korea is kept under control through extensive brainwashing. Hamas hasn't got anything on the North Korean dictators. Anyway, people I need some more specific and consistent answers. So, do me a favor and: List which issues you’d be interested in doing this with Tell me if you’d rather do it in a group or just in a public forum I'll do the rest, you lazy basts. Hmm.... because this is new idea. Don't you think we should let the forum mod know about this Devil Advocate thread? Because it'll be a mess if a thread talking about different topic at once. So for each topic of Devil Advocate, we should have different thread to talk. That's why in the thread title, we could have example : [DA] 'Abortion', then the other could be [DA] Religion vs Atheism , that's why I think we should let mod forum at least aware of this. We can tell karkarov, it because he sometimes talk in ED. About the group, I think it's okay. But it will have less participate from all users in CR, since they have to go and join a group first. It's all depends to frequent user who post in ED, though. Also I think it'll be nicer in group, but what I concern is the participation. It might dead soon... |
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The Light is shining upon me and The Darkness approaching before me
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Yeah this would be great im definitely on board ill gladly debate any and all topics.
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"I Lelouch vi Britannia, commands you to DIE!"
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SeraphAlford wrote: So we’ve got two people interested. Which topics specifically would you be most interested in arguing for the opposition, Dark? Also, how do you guys think we should do it? Should we create a group specifically for this, or should we just create threads for each topic here in the ED section, or maybe start discussions in this thread? U should make a group. |
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"I Lelouch vi Britannia, commands you to DIE!"
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