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Posted 8/13/09

ShroomInferno wrote:

Anyway, Seraph, my question would be....will we proceed with the debate in this thread, or will you create a thread explicitly made for this debate experiment? If so...what subject is everyone willing to partake in the most? I would hope that it isn't a religious topic...again..but then again..it would be an interesting outcome.


I don’t think we should continue the arguments in here; that would get disjointed and confusing. Perhaps we can try another approach? I was thinking that we could either create individuals threads for the topic here in the ED or we could just start a throw away group. When we’re done with a devil’s advocate arguments we could just delete it, but in the mean time it would give us a spammer free medium to play out the exorcize with organization.
Posted 8/13/09
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I agree. I think it would be a good idea to add a note in the header of each thread that it's a a focus on the devil's advocate approach, that is..if we're going to proceed with this idea in the ED section.
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Posted 8/13/09

Ryutai-Desk wrote:

To participate I think we should make our stance clear, right? Well, My stance for the following topic is:
1. Abortion :
Against
2. Israel :
Against Israel
3. Capital Punishment :
In favor
4. Homosexual Marriage :
Against

5. Nature vs. Nurture in homosexuality :
not sure, but I think Nurture has more influence
6. Islam v. Christianity :
Islam
7. Atheism v. Religion :
Religion
8. Creation v. Evolution :
Both, until the extend of evolution that can't be explained
9. Global Warming :
........... Nature. (Care to elaborate? Do you meant between the nations in Kyoto Protocol or what?)

Well, has been said that. I think I won't participate in Islam vs Christianity. I don't have deep understanding in that. Everything is no problem, even though I don't really have support for Israel, I think it's okay. I'm not sure, how long I can, though.

Feel free~


You know, I already started a thread on the Kyoto Protocol and nobody cared about it. Sad story, but true. I meant Global Warming being natural or manmade. You're pretty educated for an alleged 13 year old. Where are you from, anyway? For some reason I got it in my head that you're in Egypt.
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Posted 8/13/09

OFF TOPIC .........
Someone should make the Devil's Advocate topic first.


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Posted 8/13/09

SeraphAlford wrote:

You know, I already started a thread on the Kyoto Protocol and nobody cared about it. Sad story, but true. I meant Global Warming being natural or manmade. You're pretty educated for an alleged 13 year old. Where are you from, anyway? For some reason I got it in my head that you're in Egypt.


Maybe it because they tired of endless treaty concern about this matter. So... yeah, those nations are hopeless, after all.

Personally, I think it because of human. I'm not sure, though. As there's controversy about global warming itself, I might look it more if this continues.

Thanks for your compliment, well to be honest I'm not sure about my country. When I was a Kid, I'm Indonesian and after 2002 I'm not Indonesian anymore. I belongs to 4th world country now called Timor-Leste. Screw nationality... I don't care. It just distinction between territory, World belongs to everyone.

Sorry for the harsh word, it's sucks yeah..... the war, I mean.
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Posted 8/13/09
I hope it will be popular because man really now in CR not many people are posting in threads anymore usual you see the same people lol. I remember back in the days when there was only General discussion now that was hot as threads would go past 20 pages and everytime you would log on to CR there would be many posts. Now lol you see the same thread with someone who last posted on it 4 hours ago. I hope I am understanding this thread right but please correct me if I am not. Seraph is saying debate in favor of something you disagree with right?
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Posted 8/13/09
Its not really about quantity but quality. There are the same old faces but there seems to be some really good ones (new users) here too.

PS: Hellllloooooooo drizzaaaa!!!!!
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Posted 8/13/09
Man, I found this thread late.
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Posted 8/13/09
'I think we should do a commonest vs capitalist governing system one as well.
Or maby Gods vs God. What makes more sense.
or maby large government vs small government pros. and cons.
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Posted 8/13/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

'I think we should do a commonest vs capitalist governing system one as well.
Or maby Gods vs God. What makes more sense.
or maby large government vs small government pros. and cons.


Well, having studied the history of both I’d be totally screwed on that argument because I hate capitalism and communism. The former sacrifices individual life quality for economic growth that thereby helps nobody except a tiny minority. For example, in capitalist America the railroad and oil companies benefited so that 10% of the US population controlled 90% of the US wealth.

Communism on the other hand sacrifices individual rights for the sake of a system. Communism is essentially fascism except the former is controlled by military dictatorship while the former is controlled by political dictatorship. So, while Gaza may be kept in control with threats from Hamas and Israel, North Korea is kept under control through extensive brainwashing. Hamas hasn't got anything on the North Korean dictators.

Anyway, people I need some more specific and consistent answers. So, do me a favor and:

List which issues you’d be interested in doing this with
Tell me if you’d rather do it in a group or just in a public forum

I'll do the rest, you lazy basts.
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Posted 8/14/09 , edited 8/14/09
This will be really challenging unless I use the same arguments that people I've argued against always use. Arguments that I think are invalid and pointless.

"Israel treats Palestinians very badly."
"Oh, and it's ok for Hamas to do this:.."
=__=


"You can't disprove the existence of God by attacking religion."
"The Bible contradicts itself!!"
=___=


"There's nothing wrong with homosexuality."
"But they can't have kids!!"
=_____=


Now that I think about it, if I want to make only valid arguments it's going to be very difficult.
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Posted 8/15/09 , edited 8/15/09

SeraphAlford wrote:

Well, having studied the history of both I’d be totally screwed on that argument because I hate capitalism and communism. The former sacrifices individual life quality for economic growth that thereby helps nobody except a tiny minority. For example, in capitalist America the railroad and oil companies benefited so that 10% of the US population controlled 90% of the US wealth.

Communism on the other hand sacrifices individual rights for the sake of a system. Communism is essentially fascism except the former is controlled by military dictatorship while the former is controlled by political dictatorship. So, while Gaza may be kept in control with threats from Hamas and Israel, North Korea is kept under control through extensive brainwashing. Hamas hasn't got anything on the North Korean dictators.

Anyway, people I need some more specific and consistent answers. So, do me a favor and:

List which issues you’d be interested in doing this with
Tell me if you’d rather do it in a group or just in a public forum

I'll do the rest, you lazy basts.


Hmm.... because this is new idea. Don't you think we should let the forum mod know about this Devil Advocate thread?
Because it'll be a mess if a thread talking about different topic at once.

So for each topic of Devil Advocate, we should have different thread to talk. That's why in the thread title, we could have example : [DA] 'Abortion', then the other could be [DA] Religion vs Atheism , that's why I think we should let mod forum at least aware of this. We can tell karkarov, it because he sometimes talk in ED.

About the group, I think it's okay. But it will have less participate from all users in CR, since they have to go and join a group first. It's all depends to frequent user who post in ED, though. Also I think it'll be nicer in group, but what I concern is the participation. It might dead soon...
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Posted 8/16/09
Yeah this would be great im definitely on board ill gladly debate any and all topics.
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Posted 8/16/09 , edited 8/16/09

SeraphAlford wrote:

So we’ve got two people interested. Which topics specifically would you be most interested in arguing for the opposition, Dark? Also, how do you guys think we should do it? Should we create a group specifically for this, or should we just create threads for each topic here in the ED section, or maybe start discussions in this thread?


U should make a group.
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