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People love a good conspiracy theory. The JFK assassination plot, aliens crash landing at Roswell, the 9/11 truth movement and charges of government surveillance are all an indelible part of our pop culture landscape and are by and large, total bullshit.

So where does your average conspiracy buff go to learn about shadowy plots that aren't pure tinfoil hattery?

Look no further.

#7, The Business Plot

The Plan:
In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a fascist dictatorship in the United States. And yes, we're talking about the same Prescott Bush who fathered one US President and grandfathered another one.


How did that work out?
A good rule of thumb: never trust a man named Smedley to run your hostile military coup for you. Besides being no fan of fascism, Smedley Butler was both a patriot and a vocal FDR supporter. Apparently none of these criminal masterminds noticed that their prospective point man had actively stumped for FDR in 1932.

Smedley spilled the beans to a congressional committee in 1934. Everyone he accused of being a conspirator vehemently denied it, and none of them were brought up on criminal charges. Still, the House McCormack-Dickstein Committee did at least acknowledge the existence of the conspiracy, which ended up never getting past the initial planning stages.

Though many of the people who had allegedly backed the Business Plot also maintained financial ties with Nazi Germany up through America's entry into World War II. But at least the United States never ended up becoming a fascist dictatorship (unless you ask Ron Paul supporters).



The lesson here? Fascist or not, you don't fuck around with guys named Smedley or Dickstein.

#6.The July 20 Plot

The Plan:
Near the end of WWII, things were rapidly going south for Germany and the time seemed ripe for guilt-ridden Nazi officers to assassinate Hitler and overthrow his government. Colonel Henning von Tresckow recruited Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg to join the conspiracy in 1944.

The plot to take out Hitler and then all of his loyal officers was called Operation Valkyrie, based on the belief that no plan can fail if it has a cool enough name.


How did that work out?
In July 1944, Stauffenberg was promoted so that he could now start attending military strategy meetings with Hitler himself. On more than one occasion Stauffenberg planned to kill Hitler at such a meeting with a briefcase bomb, but he always held off because he also wanted to take out Hitler's two right-hand men, Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler. On July 20, he went for it anyway and exploded a bomb inside Hitler's conference room with a remote detonator.

Hitler, who as a level-20 dark wizard had extraordinary damage absorption abilities, survived with only minor injuries.

Stauffenberg fled when he found out his assassination attempt had failed and that the Fuhrer was explosion-proof. When the other conspirators found out that Hitler was still alive, they lost their nerve and Operation Valkyrie never went into effect. After the coup never got off the ground, several conspirators committed suicide, and Fromm turned in the rest to save his own skin. Unfortunately for him, Hitler wasn't nearly as forgiving as his fiery public speeches and penchant for genocide would lead you to believe, and Fromm was executed along with the remaining conspirators.

The good news for the legacy of Claus von Stauffenberg is that he's become something of a folk hero in Germany, a symbol of conscientious resistance to the Nazi regime. They're even making a movie about him, called Valkyrie. The bad news for his legacy ...



... is that he's going to be played by Tom Cruise. Hey, do you think Scientology will get a mention in this article? Stay tuned!

#5, Operation Ajax (AKA, my favorite.)

The Plan:
For years, Britain had a spiffy trade deal with Iran regarding their prodigious oil fields. The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company was basically a giant money machine for the Anglo half, while the Iranian half got shafted. That all changed in 1951 when Iran nationalized the AIOC and the Iranian parliament elected Mohammed Mossadegh as Prime Minister. Mossadegh was relatively secular, something that pissed of Iranian clerics, but he was also very nationalistic. When Britain tried to regain control of the AIOC, he gave them the finger. Tea was spilled, crumpets were dropped and monocles everywhere popped out in shock.

You can guess what happened next. Jolly old England went to its ally, the United States, and convinced President Dwight D. Eisenhower to help overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran and install a pro-West monarchy. Together the CIA and British intelligence services funneled guerrilla troops, anti-Mossadegh propaganda and tons of bribes into Iran.


How did that work out?
In the short term? Great! The mostly ceremonial position of Shah (king) of Iran was restored to its former imperial glory, but this time as a puppet of the West. The White House and Tehran became BFFs, and as long as the US government overlooked the numerous human rights abuses happening in Iran, all was well.

Until 1979, that is, when a pissed off Iranian populace finally revolted and replaced the monarchy with an anti-West Islamic Republic. One messy hostage crisis later, and Iran and the US were no longer BFFs. But hey, at least the US learned a very important lesson about overthrowing the governments of unfriendly Middle Eastern countries.


#4, V for Badass-The Gunpowder Plot

The Plan:
A group of conspirators (including Guy Fawkes, Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving) decided to blow the fuck out of the British House of Parliament, thus killing pretty much all of the aristocracy, as well as King James I.

In May of 1604, a group of Britons who were fed up with King James's rule met with Robert Catesby. As Catholics, they were tired of the Protestant government. In accordance with the teachings of their faith, they apparently decided that the best way to solve their problems was to kill everyone.

The conspirators were taking up residence across the street from The House of Lords, the building the upper house of parliament met in. Their original plan was to burrow their way to the underground foundation of The House of Lords, and lay their explosives there. When that proved to be more difficult than they had originally planned, they decided to just rent a room in the cellar of building. The explosives were quickly moved into place, and all that was left was to wait for the annual Opening of Parliament. (It is unknown rather or not the room came with a bed and breakfast.)

How did that work out?
While they were waiting, one of the conspirators sent a letter to Lord Monteagle, a high ranking Catholic, which basically said, "Hypothetically, we could blow up Parliament on the day it opens this year. So don't go, hypothetically speaking." This proved to be their undoing, as Lord Monteagle immediately passed the news on to the Secretary of State. The House of Lords was searched, and Guy Fawkes, the man left in charge of watching the explosives, was found and arrested.

None of the protestant politicians were killed, but the plan wasn't a complete failure. King James admitted in a speech that not all Catholics were as crazy as the ones arrested in connection with the plot, which is good, because a lot of historians have suggested that if the plot succeeded, there would have been a very violent backlash against Catholic communities. Plus, England now celebrates Guy Fawkes night every November 5th.

Apparently the conspirators had also planned to kidnap the royal children, as well as incite a revolt. However, they never made it to this part of their plan due to the fact that they had been hung and eviscerated.

Intermission:
Malcolm X was a Muslim extremist who wanted to wage a genocidal/jihadic war to eradicate the whites and forcibly segregate American society. Fawkes was a nut case hyper conservative and a religious zealot. Why are these people considered heroes?

#3.The Tuskegee Experiment (Remember when everyone got pissed because Obama’s preacher said the United States Government injected the African American community with Syphilis? We all started talking about how Obama must be some kind of nutcase extremist? Yeah, umm…)

The Plan:
Sometimes referred to as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, the idea was that the United States government was going to monitor the effects of syphilis and perform experiments on those who had a developed form of the disease. That doesn't sound so bad, right? Well you're a terrible person for thinking that, because the experiments were exclusively performed without consent, and on the very poor, mostly illiterate black males.

These men weren't told that they had syphilis and were denied proper treatment for their disease. Because that would have skewed the results, you see. But hey, at least the government promised free burials to those who died.

How did that work out?
The study (started in 1932 in Tuskegee, Alabama) eventually rounded up 400 black men in a move that would inspire Rage Against the Machine-esque lyrics for years to come. But, contrary to conspiracy enthusiasts, they did not actually give people syphilis, they just examined the symptoms of people who already had the disease. (until a little later.) Then, things got out of hand:

Doctor 1: "Darn. I'm afraid that we might not get the numbers we want for the next part of this study."

Doctor 2: "Why is that?"

Doctor 1: "Because it involves administering a painful and dangerous spinal tap for no medical reason."

Doctor 2: "Hmm ... Well, why don't we just underline the word "Free" and tell them that it's a special treatment for their symptoms."

Doctor 1: "But, wouldn't that be a horrible lie?"

Doctor 2: "A horrible what?"

When there was a national campaign to use penicillin to stamp out the disease, those in the study were denied access. If they complained loudly enough, they were given a placebo and then sent back home to die. But not before scientists poked and prodded them for the remaining years of their life.

It took until 1972 for someone to blow the whistle on all of this. That's 40 years. And that's after Peter Buxtun, the whistle blower, went to the Center for Disease Control, which told him that they would absolutely end this barbaric experiment, just as soon as they completed the last stage of the study. That stage involved studying the corpses of the subjects, and of course they couldn't do that quite yet because some were stubbornly still alive.

Buxtun then found a more receptive audience:


(Yet people still say the government controls the media. Just like they succeeded in preventing the media from publishing the Pentagon Papers, right?! Well, the Pentagon Papers had no traceable link to the Jews or Israel so that’s different, I guess. I mean, our Secretary of Defense Chertoff was a Jew: therefore, Israel bombed America because Jews are sneaky bastards.)

As a result, in 1974 they passed the National Research Act, which finally closed the apparent loophole in American law that said it was OK for mad scientists to kill people in their experiments


#2. Operation Snow White

The Plan:
Some time during the 1970s, the Church of Scientology decided that they'd had enough. Their religion about magic space aliens in a volcano wasn't getting the same respect as the religion about the magic bearded man whose dad made us all out of mud 6,000 years ago. Instead of converting to a slightly less silly religion, they did what any of us would have done and decided to destroy every single document that made their religion look bad, presumably including a trip into the future to destroy every copy of Battlefield Earth.

How did that work out?
Disturbingly well, at least for a little while. Apparently, the Church of Scientology managed to perform the largest infiltration of the United States government in history. Ever. With all the people who have wanted to get their dirty little hands on incriminating records, the United States of America was finally duped by the people who came up with Dianetics. So those billions of dollars we put into national security annually are clearly well spent.

Anyway, somewhere around 5,000 of Scientology's crack commandos wiretapped and burglarized various agencies. They stole hundreds of documents, mainly from the IRS. No critic was spared, and in the end, 136 organizations, agencies and foreign embassies were infiltrated.

When all of this hit the fan, the Church naturally denied it. Then they kidnapped one of the operatives arrested for stealing documents and prevented him from testifying. These days, the Church of Scientology generally refuses to talk about Operation Snow White, except to say that they "purged" those who were involved. They won't say what the guilty parties were involved in, and those who were purged still hold high ranking offices in the Church, but goddamn it, they were purged for their involvement.

#1 Project MKULTRA

The Plan:
Don't be fooled. Project MKULTRA isn't the misspelled secret recipe to McDonald's newest hamburger. It was actually a series of CIA experiments in which they tried to figure out how to control your mind. Over a hundred sub-projects were authorized under the MKULTRA heading, though the documents on many of those have been destroyed.

How did that work out?
If you listen to late night talk radio, then you've probably already heard of Project MKULTRA. Paranoid schizophrenics from coast to coast like to call in to recount their harrowing tales of psychic violation at the hands of the CIA. Turns out the schizophrenics got something right though, because Project MKULTRA was an actual series of experiments started on April 13, 1953.

You can decide for yourself whether or not the late-night radio callers are actually victims of these experiments, though we would like to suggest that if they are all telling the truth, it's strange that the CIA would only experiment on nocturnal conspiracy-nuts.

The project started out as a response to rumors of Communist mind control being used on American prisoners from the Korean War. (They're actually good at brainwashing, you should know.) Afraid of being left in the enemy's pseudo-scientific dust, the CIA quickly jumped on the mind control bandwagon. However, they got their procedures wrong in one crucial aspect; instead of experimenting on enemy prisoners that the national media wouldn't miss, they decided to go ahead and start jamming probes and shooting drugs into unwitting United States citizens.

Did we mention that these experiments resulted in at least one death? Or that experiments done on people seeking treatment for minor psychological issues (such as anxiety) often caused them to suffer permanent comas and/or incontinence? Or that the CIA themselves admitted that the experiments made no scientific sense?

The project was eventually found out, and the CIA was given a stern talking to by the UN.

As far as anyone can tell, they were unable to succeed in finding a way to control the way people act or think. Though we'd probably say the same thing if they had succeeded.


EDIT:
EEPS! I meant to put this in with the post:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15974_7-insane-conspiracies-that-actually-happened.html

That's where I got most of the material.

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Malcolm X was a Muslim extremist who wanted to wage a genocidal/jihadic war to eradicate the whites and forcibly segregate American society. ...... Why are these people considered heroes?




Dear Seraph,
Hmm, regarding Malcom X, I will like to know a bit more of what U know so far about Malcom X, his life and what he been through and how u came to perceive him as such as reflected in your statement above.

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Intermission:
Malcolm X was a Muslim extremist who wanted to wage a genocidal/jihadic war to eradicate the whites and forcibly segregate American society.


Malcolm X is one of my heroes, he wasn't an extremist or a racist, he cleared those things up after he left the Nation of Islam. His life story and how intelligent he was make him one of the most inspirational people I know. There's a reason why he's honored worldwide. Did you see the end of his movie? It addresses what you are saying directly, watch it please: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53IvBoGf8-s

Many people say he's a racist and evil and shouldn't be honored, but those are the people who don't know who he was.

First Norman Finkelstien is an anti-Semite and now Malcolm X is an evil Muslim extremist. I'm noticing a pattern lol
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Dear Seraph,
Hmm, regarding Malcom X, I will like to know a bit more of what U know so far about Malcom X, his life and what he been through and how u came to perceive him as such as reflected in your statement above.



I was actually speaking based off of his speeches. Even after he left the Nation of Islam he continued to say that white people were inferior and evil. He claimed that history had proven that ‘white people are devils,’ and continued with his black nationalism. He didn’t even leave the organization until after they attempted to censor him because he was TOO extreme even for them. However, I wasn’t aware-as Yei pointed out-that he renounced all of this. Yet, it wasn’t until very, very late in his life. He died a matter of days after making his public statement of regret. So, for most of his life he was never the less a racist, war mongering, black supremacist, who laughed at peaceful black demonstrators like those in the march on D.C, and mocked Martin Luther King Jr.

I know that he wound up in foster care and got into petty crime. He joined the Nation of Islam while serving an eight year prison sentence. After that he began to argue black superiority and advocated a military segregation of society, urging blacks to use violence instead of peace so that they could create an all black nation. Had he gotten his way, civil rights movements would've been halted completely.

But, there at the end he repented, so I guess my prior remark was a bit hasty. Recently I was given a stack of his speeches and I was reading them and I was thinking, “Well, if we replaced black with white and vice versa he’d been hated for the rest of history,” and I still stand by that.
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Malcolm X is one of my heroes, he wasn't an extremist or a racist, he cleared those things up after he left the Nation of Islam. His life story and how intelligent he was make him one of the most inspirational people I know. There's a reason why he's honored worldwide. Did you see the end of his movie? It addresses what you are saying directly, watch it please: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53IvBoGf8-s

Many people say he's a racist and evil and shouldn't be honored, but those are the people who don't know who he was.

First Norman Finkelstien is an anti-Semite and now Malcolm X is an evil Muslim extremist. I'm noticing a pattern lol


I’ve already recalled my remark that Norman Finkelstein is an anti-Semite. As far as Malcolm X goes, he was a racist. Go pick up some of his speeches for yourself. Even after he left the organization he still chided peaceful black demonstrators and urged them to use violence instead. He continued to teach black-nationalism and essentially black superiority. Really, he was like the Afro-American version of an extremist Zionist.

He was brave, and he was brilliant. So was Hitler. Now, it is true that unlike Hitler near the end of his life Malcolm did renounce his racism; nevertheless, throughout the bulk of his career he was a black supremacist. This is not just because he was a Muslim; quite the opposite. He was an extremist before and after The Nation of Islam. He joined that organization because he said that Islam was the black man’s natural religion and that Christianity was what was forced on them by ‘white devils.’

The nation of Islam actually had to censor him because his controversial remarks were so extreme and hurtful that they were having negative effects on the organization’s image.


All of this said, in the end he was cured of his hate. In the end he shed these evils. In my opinion it is THAT is the miracle. We should celebrate his enlightenment. But, this was achieved so late in his life that it was essentially too late for him to do much any good. So, for most of his life he incited racism, hatred, and war.
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Yei
Malcolm X is one of my heroes, he wasn't an extremist or a racist, he cleared those things up after he left the Nation of Islam. His life story and how intelligent he was make him one of the most inspirational people I know. There's a reason why he's honored worldwide. Did you see the end of his movie? It addresses what you are saying directly, watch it please: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53IvBoGf8-s

Many people say he's a racist and evil and shouldn't be honored, but those are the people who don't know who he was.

First Norman Finkelstien is an anti-Semite and now Malcolm X is an evil Muslim extremist. I'm noticing a pattern lol


I’ve already recalled my remark that Norman Finkelstein is an anti-Semite. As far as Malcolm X goes, he was a racist. Go pick up some of his speeches for yourself. Even after he left the organization he still chided peaceful black demonstrators and urged them to use violence instead. He continued to teach black-nationalism and essentially black superiority. Really, he was like the Afro-American version of an extremist Zionist.

He was brave, and he was brilliant. So was Hitler. Now, it is true that unlike Hitler near the end of his life Malcolm did renounce his racism; nevertheless, throughout the bulk of his career he was a black supremacist. This is not just because he was a Muslim; quite the opposite. He was an extremist before and after The Nation of Islam. He joined that organization because he said that Islam was the black man’s natural religion and that Christianity was what was forced on them by ‘white devils.’

The nation of Islam actually had to censor him because his controversial remarks were so extreme and hurtful that they were having negative effects on the organization’s image.


All of this said, in the end he was cured of his hate. In the end he shed these evils. In my opinion it is THAT is the miracle. We should celebrate his enlightenment. But, this was achieved so late in his life that it was essentially too late for him to do much any good. So, for most of his life he incited racism, hatred, and war.


Of course he had racist views in the beginning, but so did George Washington (owned all those slaves and was racist all his life, but still a hero). His racism was pretty much justified in his situation. He is a hero and an inspiration because of his life story, and what he accomplished.
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Of course he had racist views, but so did George Washington (owned all those slaves and was racist all his life, but still a hero). His racism was pretty much justified in his situation. He is a hero and an inspiration because of his life story, and what he accomplished.


George Washington is not remembered or immortalized because of his actions or accomplishments concerning race. He’s remembered for his contributions to the founding of a great nation. Malcolm X, without his activities in race related issues, is nothing. If he had built a tower larger than any other, I would have no problem saying: “He was a great man for building a great tower.” But he didn’t accomplish anything significant. The only reason he ever drew anyone’s attention was because of his extremism.
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Yei wrote:

Of course he had racist views, but so did George Washington (owned all those slaves and was racist all his life, but still a hero). His racism was pretty much justified in his situation. He is a hero and an inspiration because of his life story, and what he accomplished.


George Washington is not remembered or immortalized because of his actions or accomplishments concerning race. He’s remembered for his contributions to the founding of a great nation. Malcolm X, without his activities in race related issues, is nothing. If he had built a tower larger than any other, I would have no problem saying: “He was a great man for building a great tower.” But he didn’t accomplish anything significant. The only reason he ever drew anyone’s attention was because of his extremism.


Have you seen the movie with Denzel Washington?
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Have you seen the movie with Denzel Washington?


I saw the clip you posted but fail to see how a movie is relevant. That's like me citing Braveheart to tell you that William Wallace was a badass. But none of this is the topic. What are your thoughts on the 7 conspiracies that really happened and the article?
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Have you seen the movie with Denzel Washington?


I saw the clip you posted but fail to see how a movie is relevant. That's like me citing Braveheart to tell you that William Wallace was a badass. But none of this is the topic. What are your thoughts on the 7 conspiracies that really happened and the article?


The movie is relevant because Malcolm's life is relevant. If you don't like movies, read the biography it's based on, but then you wouldn't see Denzel's best performance ever.

And yeah, those conspiracies sure are interesting.
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Dear Seraph,
Hmm, regarding Malcom X, I will like to know a bit more of what U know so far about Malcom X, his life and what he been through and how u came to perceive him as such as reflected in your statement above.



I was actually speaking based off of his speeches. Even after he left the Nation of Islam he continued to say that white people were inferior and evil. He claimed that history had proven that ‘white people are devils,’ and continued with his black nationalism. He didn’t even leave the organization until after they attempted to censor him because he was TOO extreme even for them. However, I wasn’t aware-as Yei pointed out-that he renounced all of this. Yet, it wasn’t until very, very late in his life. He died a matter of days after making his public statement of regret. So, for most of his life he was never the less a racist, war mongering, black supremacist, who laughed at peaceful black demonstrators like those in the march on D.C, and mocked Martin Luther King Jr.

I know that he wound up in foster care and got into petty crime. He joined the Nation of Islam while serving an eight year prison sentence. After that he began to argue black superiority and advocated a military segregation of society, urging blacks to use violence instead of peace so that they could create an all black nation. Had he gotten his way, civil rights movements would've been halted completely.

But, there at the end he repented, so I guess my prior remark was a bit hasty. Recently I was given a stack of his speeches and I was reading them and I was thinking, “Well, if we replaced black with white and vice-versa he’d been hated for the rest of history,” and I still stand by that.


Its interesting to hear your views regarding Malcom X. Our views differ slightly.

Ever wonder how you and your views will turn out. if you see a group of people of a different colour who believe themselves superior to you murder your father, drove your mother mentally ill, burn your home, lynch your family and lynch your friends and close family members. In his days with the Nation of Islam, a black supremacist group, he believe that the only way Blacks can be free from whites was segregration and Blacks must defend themselves with any means possible should Whites attempt to harm them.

""Anybody who rapes, and plunders, and enslaves, and steals, and drops hell bombs on people... anybody who does these things is nothing but a devil." - Malcom X (during his Nation of Islam days)

When he left Nation of Islam and went on his pilgrimage to Mecca, his views change.

"Listening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.

Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.

That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I'm glad to be free of them.
" - Malcom X (2 days before his assasination)

There is NO ROOM FOR RACISM and MALICE in this world. Its too must tears, hatred and bloodshed.


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Its interesting to hear your views regarding Malcom X. Our views differ slightly.

Ever wonder how you and your views will turn out. if you see a group of people of a different colour who believe themselves superior to you murder your father, drove your mother mentally ill, burn your home, lynch your family and lynch your friends and close family members. In his days with the Nation of Islam, a black supremacist group, he believe that the only way Blacks can be free from whites was segregration and Blacks must defend themselves with any means possible should Whites attempt to harm them.

""Anybody who rapes, and plunders, and enslaves, and steals, and drops hell bombs on people... anybody who does these things is nothing but a devil." - Malcom X (during his Nation of Islam days)

When he left Nation of Islam and went on his pilgrimage to Mecca, his views change.

"Listening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.

Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.

That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I'm glad to be free of them.
" - Malcom X (2 days before his assasination)

There is NO ROOM FOR RACISM and MALICE in this world. Its too must tears, hatred and bloodshed.





You know, I have black family. So, on that note I can relate to where he was coming from because I know there’s discrimination. I think it’s more infuriating for me than my African American relatives too, because I’m so political and I take prejudice (especially against my family,) to heart. The way the Arabs and Muslims irrationally hate the Jews, and since 2007 the way so many Jews irrationally see the Arabs. If I were an Israelite though, I’d probably be reacting the same way.

If I were Malcolm X I’d probably wind up standing right where he was. So, it’s understandable. But just because you can understand it doesn’t mean you should admire it. I condemn this kind of violence on blacks, whites, Arabs, or Jews. And I condemn Malcolm for most of his ideology.

But again, he did recall all of that. And that’s a miracle, that demonstrates true progress. But like I said, he made those speeches a matter of days before he was assassinated.

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Northboundsnow wrote:

Its interesting to hear your views regarding Malcom X. Our views differ slightly.

Ever wonder how you and your views will turn out. if you see a group of people of a different colour who believe themselves superior to you murder your father, drove your mother mentally ill, burn your home, lynch your family and lynch your friends and close family members. In his days with the Nation of Islam, a black supremacist group, he believe that the only way Blacks can be free from whites was segregration and Blacks must defend themselves with any means possible should Whites attempt to harm them.

""Anybody who rapes, and plunders, and enslaves, and steals, and drops hell bombs on people... anybody who does these things is nothing but a devil." - Malcom X (during his Nation of Islam days)

When he left Nation of Islam and went on his pilgrimage to Mecca, his views change.

"Listening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.

Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—like all [Black] Muslims—I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.

That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—I'm glad to be free of them.
" - Malcom X (2 days before his assasination)

There is NO ROOM FOR RACISM and MALICE in this world. Its too must tears, hatred and bloodshed.





You know, I have black family. So, on that note I can relate to where he was coming from because I know there’s discrimination. I think it’s more infuriating for me than my African American relatives too, because I’m so political and I take prejudice (especially against my family,) to heart. The way the Arabs and Muslims irrationally hate the Jews, and since 2007 the way so many Jews irrationally see the Arabs. If I were an Israelite though, I’d probably be reacting the same way.

If I were Malcolm X I’d probably wind up standing right where he was. So, it’s understandable. But just because you can understand it doesn’t mean you should admire it. I condemn this kind of violence on blacks, whites, Arabs, or Jews. And I condemn Malcolm for most of his ideology.

But again, he did recall all of that. And that’s a miracle, that demonstrates true progress. But like I said, he made those speeches a matter of days before he was assassinated.



Malcom X didn't want to die, he had came back, changed, his different views came into clash with those who do not share his changed views and it led to his untimely demise. Don't you think its just amazing for someone with so much hatred within him, to have a change of heart. That was truly a miracle by itself. There are many people who live all their lives even in this time, and still harbor these hatred.

I don't really believe the stereotype that Arabs and Muslims hate Jews. I know they view the occupation of Palestine and the wrongful imprisonment of Palestinian people and treatment by the IDF as cruel. Some time ago there was an news article where Synagogues in America was opened for American Muslims for prayers as there were not enough space in mosques. In the end America is not a country of religion, its a country of Americans and it was good to read.
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Posted 8/27/09

Yei wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Yei wrote:


Have you seen the movie with Denzel Washington?


I saw the clip you posted but fail to see how a movie is relevant. That's like me citing Braveheart to tell you that William Wallace was a badass. But none of this is the topic. What are your thoughts on the 7 conspiracies that really happened and the article?


The movie is relevant because Malcolm's life is relevant. If you don't like movies, read the biography it's based on, but then you wouldn't see Denzel's best performance ever.

And yeah, those conspiracies sure are interesting.


I was really afraid of the day when movies will become relevant for their truthfulness. Now I am scared about what people think about history. That romans had black officers? That medieval was one long d&d session? That gypsies are romantic nomads? That germans caused ww1? That all russians are evil commies? God. Help.

Anyways, theories are awesome. I heard about some, and some were new to me. What I dont understand is, if people who commited those things are still alive, and well known, why arent they tried for their crimes? Or is their influence too big?
And the one about coup to turn america into dictatorship? haha, so it really happened there also. It was tried in GB, but it failed. I thing in 1930' it was either go nationalist (which ended up as nazi in some cases) or go communist.
Posted 8/28/09
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