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[DA] Thread on Abortion
Posted 9/27/09
I just believe people have their own reasons for what they do in life, and I don't judge them for it.

Consequently, a certain member in my family had an abortion and they described it as the worst experience of their life.
I try to see it from the other person's point of view, but then I think about the child that was lost. I guess when it comes to topics such as abortion, nobody really has the right answer.
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Posted 9/27/09
It's been a while since I've discussed this issue, but I made a presentation about it in High School. I just can argue with German information because I don't know much about the situation in the U.S..

In Germany there is a high percentage of abortion made from mothers with one or two children, because they don't want to have more children. Also there are young women who would like to have children, but if they would get the baby they would have problems with their jobs and education, because we don't have enough kindergarten-places. So they would have to rely on the state aid.

- pregnancy is a possibility if contraception isn't used:

Yes, but how many people think about contraception, if they are drunk. In Germany a lot of young people have sex without condom even though they know they could get aids. A lot of women use contraceptives but if one of them has diarrhea or takes antibiotics it doesn't work properly, also if she doesn't take it at the same time each day. I would wish they would listen more carefully in school cause everything is told them in the age of thirteen.

-To top it all, the guy has just the condom on which he can rely on to some point, but even that one is a risk factor


No, in both ways. The condom is the safest contraception out of all, if it's used correctly. Because a lot of adverse effects of the pill, the safety can be incomplete, so lots of women have to try three or more pill-variations before they find the right one. Plus there has been a pill for men a few years ago. But it never has been sold because the men were afraid of taking it. They thought it would touch their virility, so the company stopped the production out of the fear there would be no market for it.

-with all the mental and physical pain

Lots of women hesitate to make an abortion because they have moral problems and/or fear the pain. so if they decide to make it, they often have gone through a psychological crisis before. German polls say most women need a lot of time before they decide it and they don't take it lightly. In our country a woman needs a certificate of a licensed outreach clinic before she can has an abort. There she is informed about the options she has, if she decides to get the baby or to carry it out. Also we have more options to have an abort in Germany, but the number of aborts is going down since 2004 is continuously falling.


To the moral debate:
Is it really better for a child to be born to an mother, who don't loves it?
A good friend of mine has an mother who told her in the age of five: "I wish, I would have had aborted you, but my mother forced me to get you. Because of you I can't have a boyfriend and I have to be all alone." A few years ago her mother had an breast enlargement, knowing that her daughter had no money to put herself through college. She even told her she had enough money, but would only give her some to undergo a plastic surgery.
My mother had an abortion. Eight months later she got pregnant again - with me. If there wouldn't be abortion I wouldn't exist.

Sorry, I would like to write more about the theoretical background of this issue, but I'm not used to write in English, so I don't know how to express my opinion. I will think about it and write some more later. Gomen ne.

Kindly excuse my bad English, please.
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Posted 9/27/09

Gaia93 wrote:

I just believe people have their own reasons for what they do in life, and I don't judge them for it.

Consequently, a certain member in my family had an abortion and they described it as the worst experience of their life.
I try to see it from the other person's point of view, but then I think about the child that was lost. I guess when it comes to topics such as abortion, nobody really has the right answer.


May I ask a couple quick questions that don’t require any divulging of personal information? What company provided the abortion? Like, was it planned parenthood? Were there papers to be signed, what was the process, ext? Did they refer to the fetus, and if so how? That is, did they ever describe it as potential human life or say that it was less than human?
Posted 9/27/09
abortion it sends babies faster to god
Posted 9/27/09

SeraphAlford wrote:


Gaia93 wrote:

I just believe people have their own reasons for what they do in life, and I don't judge them for it.

Consequently, a certain member in my family had an abortion and they described it as the worst experience of their life.
I try to see it from the other person's point of view, but then I think about the child that was lost. I guess when it comes to topics such as abortion, nobody really has the right answer.


May I ask a couple quick questions that don’t require any divulging of personal information? What company provided the abortion? Like, was it planned parenthood? Were there papers to be signed, what was the process, ext? Did they refer to the fetus, and if so how? That is, did they ever describe it as potential human life or say that it was less than human?


Honestly, I don't think it's any of your business. I say this not to be rude but because I respect that person's privacy even if the information isn't divulging. Also, because I don't know many of the details.

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Posted 9/27/09

Gaia93 wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Gaia93 wrote:

I just believe people have their own reasons for what they do in life, and I don't judge them for it.

Consequently, a certain member in my family had an abortion and they described it as the worst experience of their life.
I try to see it from the other person's point of view, but then I think about the child that was lost. I guess when it comes to topics such as abortion, nobody really has the right answer.


May I ask a couple quick questions that don’t require any divulging of personal information? What company provided the abortion? Like, was it planned parenthood? Were there papers to be signed, what was the process, ext? Did they refer to the fetus, and if so how? That is, did they ever describe it as potential human life or say that it was less than human?


Honestly, I don't think it's any of your business. I say this not to be rude but because I respect that person's privacy even if the information isn't divulging. Also, because I don't know many of the details.




Well, I wasn’t really asking about the person. I was just asking about the company, but sorry if I offended you or you felt I was prying.
Posted 9/27/09


It's ok, it's just really personal.
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Posted 9/28/09
Yay, I love playing devil's advocate. I'm pro-life but I'm going to take it from a pro-choice stance in the most darkly sarcastic way.

Women don't choose to get raped, that's a fact. And when they do they end up taking a path they're not ready for or don't even want to take. Much like how woman have the right to choose to how they raise their baby they can also choose when it's the right to time to have her child. It's not killing a child until they're out of the womb because that's when they're considered to be born (ignores reality on what actually happens in abortion).

And for those young women who choose to have unprotected sex don't have to be forced to have a child if they're not ready for it. It's not their fault for not taking the right pills or forgetting to take the pills before conscented sex. Who wants to be held responsible for their actions? Nobody does and that's why you offer your baby up to Jesus Christ when you don't want to have that baby yet.
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crunchypibb wrote:

Yay, I love playing devil's advocate. I'm pro-life but I'm going to take it from a pro-choice stance in the most darkly sarcastic way.

Women don't choose to get raped, that's a fact. And when they do they end up taking a path they're not ready for or don't even want to take. Much like how woman have the right to choose to how they raise their baby they can also choose when it's the right to time to have her child. It's not killing a child until they're out of the womb because that's when they're considered to be born (ignores reality on what actually happens in abortion).

And for those young women who choose to have unprotected sex don't have to be forced to have a child if they're not ready for it. It's not their fault for not taking the right pills or forgetting to take the pills before conscented sex. Who wants to be held responsible for their actions? Nobody does and that's why you offer your baby up to Jesus Christ when you don't want to have that baby yet.


I agree with you. People should be held responsible for their actions. So, people who smoke until they get lung cancer should not be allowed to receive treatment. A thirteen year old girl who falls off her back and breaks her arm should be banned from entering a hospital because, after all, she chose to get on the bike knowing that there was a risk of falling off.


Sarcasm sure is fun!
Posted 10/1/09

SeraphAlford wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:

Yay, I love playing devil's advocate. I'm pro-life but I'm going to take it from a pro-choice stance in the most darkly sarcastic way.

Women don't choose to get raped, that's a fact. And when they do they end up taking a path they're not ready for or don't even want to take. Much like how woman have the right to choose to how they raise their baby they can also choose when it's the right to time to have her child. It's not killing a child until they're out of the womb because that's when they're considered to be born (ignores reality on what actually happens in abortion).

And for those young women who choose to have unprotected sex don't have to be forced to have a child if they're not ready for it. It's not their fault for not taking the right pills or forgetting to take the pills before conscented sex. Who wants to be held responsible for their actions? Nobody does and that's why you offer your baby up to Jesus Christ when you don't want to have that baby yet.


I agree with you. People should be held responsible for their actions. So, people who smoke until they get lung cancer should not be allowed to receive treatment. A thirteen year old girl who falls off her back and breaks her arm should be banned from entering a hospital because, after all, she chose to get on the bike knowing that there was a risk of falling off.


Sarcasm sure is fun!


you really can be a dick sometimes but well here it goes abortion is legal and it's going to stay that way i don't 100% agree with it but i am damned sure not going to tell a woman she can or can not have one or would you rather tell a 13 year old girl who was raped by her daddy that she must have the baby?
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Posted 10/2/09
Well ill keep my answer simple it is their body end of discussion if they want to get abortion then let them get one. Who are you to decided what they do to their bodies? Last time i checked babies weren't cheap you have two options when you're a 13 year old and pregnant. You either two choices abortion , or have it and give up for adoption; its not easy raising a child, now you're a drop out the father wants nothing to do with baby. Now you're alone raising a child at 13 does that sound smart to? Why sacrifice your life for an unborn child, think use your head? There is plenty of time to get pregnant again, i say this cause i best friend made that mistake. her mother kicked her out; and she doesnt have baby with cause she cant afford to take o her. Lucky for Kayla her mother and grand parents care enough to take of her baby in. Then again some girls are luckier than others.
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Posted 10/13/09
I'm definitely pro-life... I think every mother bearing a child should take responsibilities for their actions.. Also, they should respect the life of their child (wether it's still embryo, fetus or even just the fertilized egg) as their mother respected theirs'.... =) Let's not be selfish.. let's not promote abortion..
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Posted 10/13/09
Lol I hope everyone on here posting is taking a Devils Advocate approach rather then posting their real view on abortion.
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Posted 10/13/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


you really can be a dick sometimes


He started it… >.>
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I believe just because someone is pro-choice doesnt mean they agree with abortion, they just place a person's ability to make decisions above their own views on specific subjects. For example, If I were to get a girl pregnant i would be against the idea of allowing her to get an abortion. It was our fault and it is our responsibility, however, if i friend of mine was placed on that position, i cant say that I would use the same type of judgement. I have no idea what their views are on the subject, if they ask for my advice i will try to give the best advice i can. But when it comes down to it, its their call whether they choose to abort or not and either way, its not my place to force my beliefs on other people, that would be incredibly selfish. It would be basically saying i know what is better for them regardless of their beliefs and their lives, which is simply untrue.
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