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Grand Integration Theory
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Posted 5/19/07 , edited 5/19/07
Originally intended for Steffi and Mauz cuz they were asking me about it before. Thanks to jamehze for encouraging me to put it up so I can get more feedback. Besides, I wish to share this anyways and I'd very much appreciate getting feedback. They're in image mode because I can't do special symbols just through the forums. Also I'm still working on the rest of the next section. Probably I'll start again when summer hits. For now I just have a bunch of data from different sources and is still awaiting organization.

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Posted 5/19/07
Wow ... I'm interested to see where this goes. I think I understand everything, but I'm not 100% sure how it all fits together, something that may be explained when you add more. What you have you explain very well.
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Posted 5/19/07
If you don't want to spend the time to read it, don't post. You're basically just spamming.

I'll get around to reading it and posting a response later. Good job from what I've read so far though. Thanks for providing something interesting to read CrashAriMP5N2O.
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Posted 5/19/07
So basically you mean us, humans, will procrastinate perfection/completion till the end of time? o_O
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Posted 5/21/07
^LOL.

well i cant say its purely original. i mean i read it, i really liked it as ive said, and its an awesome idea. i mean just simple things like putting the creation theory and the evolution theory together and making it fit would be wonderful. but there are many things that are left to conflict.

the math reminded me of calculus. it was understandable, but i cant help but doubt the existence of flaws. what they are is not my place to say, but it felt a little to absolute, as if it was fact. maybe im just rambling.
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Posted 5/21/07
To be fair, theories usually need to deal in absolutes and assumptions because otherwise they would just be everyday speculation. Basically, a theory is someones idea that if this certain idea is true, and these other ideas are all true than this theory must be true as well.

Well I've read most of it but I'm going to reserve any critique or discussion on my part until I've finished reading your theory in its entirety.
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Posted 5/21/07
I find this extremely interesting, just because it's a new way to look at a really, really old problem. At least, I've never really thought of life in terms of calculus.

So I have a couple questions. Would the curve P(t) be defined as continuous? You mention a lot of big names--Newton, Sophocles, etc. etc.--would these individuals spark a "peak" in the graph of the function if you will, as the derivatives at these points would be large to indicate a steep increase?

I'd be interested to read the rest--or whatever you have--sometime. But one thing that really bothered me in your writing were the "This makes sense because" clauses--they're unnecessary and make you sound too much like you're trying to vindicate yourself to skeptical readers.
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Buddy, that's just asking for somebody to take your theory to a paton shop... I didn't get all the way through it, (i will later) but from what I've read thus far it's not a rare or new concept at all... You said you thought it up as a little child? Well, so did the rest of us.... Of course, you've clearly put more thought into it than the rest of us have... Well, again, I've not read the whole thing so my opinion isn't exactly meaningful just yet.

Edit: Come to think of it there was a fiction novel where a religious scientist had much the same idea as you... What was it called? Well, I might look it up...
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Posted 5/21/07
@Knight: yea i realized that now, looking at other theories.

life as one big calculus problem. and to think i slept through most of calc -_-
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Posted 5/21/07
You guys brought up very interesting points, I'm much pleased. This will take a while lol.

At this point the first 5 pages may seem unstable, though I see a adequate support that it can pull through. Now for some 1v1.

@ n0odle: Well I'm just going to quote jamehze on his thoughts about the time going to infinity. This could be a better alternative of explanation.

Well to actually add some substance to this message, I have a slight problem with the idea of using the limit to assume perfection as time approaches infinity. Although, things are supposed to improve as time goes on, it does not mean that it will tend toward perfection. Many processes that occur in the natural world tend toward what is best for the time. This is one of the fundamental ideas of natural selection to describe the mechanism for evolution. As organisms evolve, they adapt to ever changing surroundings. The results are not perfection, but rather what is best for the time.


@red3finition: Well true ther emight be flaws along the way and if there are, then we're probably missing some information. Also the only thing that's probably "original" is how I'll manage to pull things together, play with them, and looking at them at a different perspective, almost trying to find loop holes lol. But at this time and age, hardly anything is considered "original" but "intertextual" and a bulk of this document would be the latter. As I pointed out in another thread about originality, "originality" does not mean creating something out of nothing but simply making an interesting change in what has been done for you.

@Knightwyvern: Agreed. Ever seen the special "The Elegant Universe"? String theory is a perfect example of what you're trying to point out.

@kyonkichi: At this point, I honestly can't tell the behavior of the "function" (P)t. This is just a skeleton of a framework that I'll try to uncover, with the help of your criticisms and feedback, as the theory progresses. Right now I'm still stuck with creation and evolution integrated via intelligent design. That's the next section I'm going to be talking about.

As for your other point, I guess it's for lack of words or as you said that sound too much like I'm trying to vindicate yourself to skeptical readers. But my intentions are not so and I may have to rephrase that or drop the phrase completely. I guess I caught it from other proposals where they have to say similar phrases to make the authors' point concretely related to what they're arguing about. I have an example (which I will be using and probably be introduced later) that has to make certain assumptions to enable their ideas to be put to test. Perhaps similar methods were implemented by some of the great minds that have gone before us but I can't think of anyone right now that applies to that.

@SeraphAlford: Yes and as I said, I am well aware that what I have presented may not be stable as it needs more stuff to be "integrated" unto it. Perhaps adding in the next few sections (which will probably not be up until mid-june) will make it more reliable. But as it stand out, I'm still in a heap of mess, ideas scattered around in the hard drive.
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Posted 5/21/07
^^ My grammatical corrections could be nothing more than personal preference--I just usually find it more helpful to tell everything rather than say oh, that bothered me, but it doesn't matter. XD

And on the topic of originality that some other people have mentioned--there are theories, can't think of concrete examples because I'm spacey at the mo but I'd be willing to look some up, that there is no such thing as true originality anymore. I've seen this mostly in a literary sense, but I think the same is true in a philosophical sense as well.
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I'm a little skeptical on the idea of using differentiation as a way to describe an individual's progress. If you take p(t) as the function of progress for all people, then p'(t) is the rate of change of progress for the entire population, not just the individual. The only real way to do this is to create a function of progress for each individual person.

Thus to accurately express the equation for population progress it should be something like the summation of all individual equations of individual's progress as a function of time. Wow, I think I made this a lot more complicated.

Of course my calculus knowledge only goes so far anyway...
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Posted 5/21/07
@kyonkichi: It would really be a big help if you find something useful. I might end up incorporating them and see if we can draw connections. It's the main point of my project, find as many connections we can make.

Oh just a quick pointer, in a mathematical sense I believe further investigations is required to determine the behavior of (P)t because it has to be free of anomalies in order to proceed. This is very similar to what string theory was going through. And like string theory, this can be very messy. For now, looking at life through calculus is just one perspective.
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Posted 5/21/07
oops sorry for the double.


jamehze wrote:

I'm a little skeptical on the idea of using differentiation as a way to describe an individual's progress. If you take p(t) as the function of progress for all people, then p'(t) is the rate of change of progress for the entire population, not just the individual. The only real way to do this is to create a function of progress for each individual person.

Thus to accurately express the equation for population progress it should be something like the summation of all individual equations of individual's progress as a function of time. Wow, I think I made this a lot more complicated.

Of course my calculus knowledge only goes so far anyway...


Could we suggest a power series? Basically an infinite sequence of polynomials, and we can treat each polynomial as individual functions. It just struck me since that's what I'm learning right now. lol
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Posted 5/22/07
I'm not sure if we can assume a power series since that infers an ever increasing trend toward perfection. Ideally, I think a derivative of the alternating series works best since that takes into account that certain people slow down society thus producing a negative coefficient. This is seen in various places where regimes have kept progress to a standstill or even historical Tokugawa Japan, Imperial China, or decolonized Africa.
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