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Inside the mind of a Martyr
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Whenever somebody asks why a suicide bomber would want to become a terrorist, would be so dedicated to mass murder that he/she would give his/her own life a political or religious conversation almost always ensues. Al Qaeda’s agents massacred three thousand innocent civilians because they strongly disagreed with the US government’s policy of foreign aid to Israel. Shiites claiming to be mujahedeen are battling to earn their place in paradise, to win their eternally replenishing virgin sex companions, to please the One True God. Palestinian bombers are attacking Israeli citizens and soldiers because they’re indoctrinated to do so, or because they’re desperate, or most likely an odd combination of the two.

I think that this is a tragedy. We’re so consumed with the theological and political debate that we never take the time to examine the actual individual. We forget that the self proclaimed mujahedeen, these aspiring martyrs, are people. They’re living human beings experiencing the exact same psychological conditions as so many Americans, Jews, Brits, Africans, Asians, and Europeans alike. They’re individuals with a lot on their mind. They’re victims and victimizers with friends, families, and thoughts not limited to the spectrum of politics.

Hussam Bilal Abdo was an unpopular fourteen year old Palestinian student in Gaza. He was desperate to earn the love and admiration of his classmates and somehow came to the conclusion that he could win their respect, as well as some money for his family, by dying in a suicide attack on IDF soldiers posted at the shchem checkpoint. He prepared for his assault by strapping on 8kgs of explosives and a suicide vest under his clothes. Apparently Hussam lost his courage halfway through the attack and approached the checkpoint with his arms up. Hussam called out to the Israelis for help, announcing that he had a bomb and crying, “I am afraid to die.” The Israelis delivered a pair of scissors to the child from a safe distance via a police robot and proceeded to instruct him on how to remove the explosives. Before it was over Hussam walked away wearing nothing but the jacket of one of the soldier’s he’d intended to kill.

The entire event was captured on tape and can be viewed along with a later interview on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPU4UN03t7E

This was the fourth child suicide bombing attempt on shchem...in two months.

Wafa al-Bis was engaged to be married before she was badly burnt when her gas powered stove caught flame and exploded. The doctors who treated her injuries say that the wounds would’ve been fatal had it not been for their intervention. In their opinion she, like many Gazans, was lucky to receive free medical care from Israel. After the operation Wafa spent six months at the Israeli hospital where she apparently formed bonds with other Palestinian convalescents and Jewish staff members alike. Wafa described the atmosphere during her stay in Israel as warm and welcoming.

She returned home happily, but returned for her follow-up with twenty pounds of explosives stashed in her underwear. Since her visit to Israel her husband had left her because of the burns inflicted on her body by the cooking accident. She confessed to feeling alone and ugly and cried, “Give me a bomb!” to one of her peers at the hospital during her stay. During this time of confusion she was recruited by the al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades and indoctrinated with false accusations of Israeli police tearing pages out of a Qur’an. (her mother would later lament, “my child is sick and they used her!”)

IDF soldiers posted at a Gaza checkpoint received Israeli intelligence warning them of female suicide-bomber targeting an Israeli hospital. The soldiers ordered Wafa to stop and undress at which point she attempted to detonate herself and murder the men posted nearby but the explosives did not go off. The bombs were removed and safely detonated.

I managed to locate an NBC documentary and a BBC article on Wafa’s tragic story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XEkJY62VA&feature=response_watch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4113538.stm

Front Page Magazine assembled a panel of experts to discuss how terrorist organizations like Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, and other terrorist organizations managed victimize and coerce other Islamic women into throwing down their lives to assassinate innocent civilians. The first female suicide bomber on Israel from Palestine, Wafa Idris, is a good example. Living misogynist society Idris was viewed as worthless because she could not bear children. Her husband beat and divorced her and her community shunned her. She was living as an outcast when terrorist organizations exploited her:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=7310

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It's sad, but if you put people in a crazy situation they will do crazy things.
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It's sad, but if you put people in a crazy situation they will do crazy things.


Based on what you see of these people from the media you begin to look at them almost like the organizations that exploit them though. Whenever I started reading about these terrorists, especially the female ones, I was completely startled. The truth is they are desperate, but this desperation isn’t engendered by any political desires at all. We’ve completely ignore the real motives and stopped seeing this on an individual scale. To me that's a tragedy because we're not SEEING the tragedy. Don't you agree?

For me, I guess I should've figured that they had personal reasons. But seeing these murderers and terrorists as human beings themselves was really, really weird for me. Thinking, “I’ve been through that,” and wondering where I would’ve ended up if I’d been in their exact situation…It's like when those serial killers on TV start crying about what they did. It's shocking, and I'm wondering if maybe there's a reason we don't get to see that side very often, and usually when we do it's well after the fact.
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Yea pretty much wouldnt have to worry about none of this if Israel wouldnt keep people living in horrid conditions for 60 years. People get fed up and do crazy things but hey cant act surprised either.
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It's no surprise that the people who resort to suicide bombings or joining terrorist organizations are desperate people with a very corrupt mentality. This is obvious.

But it also applies to the entire terrorist organization and population as a whole. It's not a surprise that a desperate woman resorts to suicide bombing, and it's not a surprise an entire population of desperate people resorts to terrorism and violence. You'll notice most terrorist organizations are started in oppressed areas filled with desperate suffering people. It's only natural that people react badly to being mistreated.
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Living in poverty doesn't make suicide bombings ok. And it isn't Israel's fault they are that way in the first place. Not all suicide bombings are in Israel, in fact many are between Shi'ite and Sunnis in Iraq and between Taliban members and civilians in Afganistan and Pakistan. I think people resort to it for many reasons, whether it be wanting to find worth in suicide bombings for their faith. Killing the enemy and going out as a hero. Wanting 72 virgins in heaven, or plainly out of depression and wanting to go in a way where their families will be proud instead of a typical suicide. Regardless, suicide bombings are never ever justified, they aren't heroes, just terrorists. It shouldn't ever be praised or held in high esteem.
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Living in poverty doesn't make suicide bombings ok. And it isn't Israel's fault they are that way in the first place. Not all suicide bombings are in Israel, in fact many are between Shi'ite and Sunnis in Iraq and between Taliban members and civilians in Afganistan and Pakistan. I think people resort to it for many reasons, whether it be wanting to find worth in suicide bombings for their faith. Killing the enemy and going out as a hero. Wanting 72 virgins in heaven, or plainly out of depression and wanting to go in a way where their families will be proud instead of a typical suicide. Regardless, suicide bombings are never ever justified, they aren't heroes, just terrorists. It shouldn't ever be praised or held in high esteem.


True about suicide part but look at slavery even though blacks wasnt suicide bombing (I dont think they had the resources to develop a bomb) some was commiting suicide because they didnt want to keep living that lifestyle. I mean how come we just act surprised when we see a suicide bomb as retalation to bad treatment but completly ignore the treatment on the that Israel is bestowing on Palestine even to this day? Israel Oppression shouldnt be justified also right? Because clearly it is in our country.
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digs wrote:

Living in poverty doesn't make suicide bombings ok. And it isn't Israel's fault they are that way in the first place. Not all suicide bombings are in Israel, in fact many are between Shi'ite and Sunnis in Iraq and between Taliban members and civilians in Afganistan and Pakistan. I think people resort to it for many reasons, whether it be wanting to find worth in suicide bombings for their faith. Killing the enemy and going out as a hero. Wanting 72 virgins in heaven, or plainly out of depression and wanting to go in a way where their families will be proud instead of a typical suicide. Regardless, suicide bombings are never ever justified, they aren't heroes, just terrorists. It shouldn't ever be praised or held in high esteem.


True about suicide part but look at slavery even though blacks wasnt suicide bombing (I dont think they had the resources to develop a bomb) some was commiting suicide because they didnt want to keep living that lifestyle. I mean how come on just act at a suicide bomb but completly ignore the treatment on the other side? Israel Oppression shouldnt be justified also right? Because clearly it is in our country.


The only Israeli oppression that exists is the racism and oppression towards Israelis by the international community and Arab nations. Palestinians get free health care in Israel, their citizens don't even get that. Israel violated human rights by forcing all Jews (discrimination of religion and race) out of their homes in the Gaza strip and sometimes using military force to drag them out in order to appease terrorists. Israel gets screwed with every peace treaty and attempt at peace that they make. This is because the other sides goal isn't peace, but genocide and the creation of an Islamic state where Israel is. This is what Hamas even says is the goal of their organization. Discrimination is never justified, and the poor and discriminate too.
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>_>;

You guys should try to stop and stay on topic, it might escalate from here...

Let's not use Palestinian terrorists as examples now.
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>_>;

You guys should try to stop and stay on topic, it might escalate from here...

Let's not use Palestinian terrorists as examples now.


Fair enough

That's a topic for another thread. Regardless though, suicide bombing as a whole should be stopped and nations need to take extra measures to prevent them. Many people die on busses, in Mosques, in Churches, and in other public places due to insane people commiting a suicide bombing. First of all I think it should be made illegal to support it and glorify murderers.
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It's no surprise that the people who resort to suicide bombings or joining terrorist organizations are desperate people with a very corrupt mentality. This is obvious.

But it also applies to the entire terrorist organization and population as a whole. It's not a surprise that a desperate woman resorts to suicide bombing, and it's not a surprise an entire population of desperate people resorts to terrorism and violence. You'll notice most terrorist organizations are started in oppressed areas filled with desperate suffering people. It's only natural that people react badly to being mistreated.


Like the KKK in the southern United States following the Civil War? Or like Haganah after the future Mufti al-Husayni began slaughtering Jews in 1920?

Smart ass comments aside, I see what you’re saying. I think that calling an organization desperate may be an anthropomorphism but I do believe a population can have a culture of desperation. I think that’s the culture in Gaza, but to maintain that kind of a culture in a population that large I think that there must be some form of media facilitation. It was like I was saying before, it’s a combination of oppression and indoctrination.

Studying this over the past couple weeks I’ve come to the inevitable conclusion that both stories of Gaza’s desperate situation and Gaza’s indoctrination are profoundly exaggerated or at least varying from one region to the next. These suicide bombers were more subjected by the terrorists and their own government than their targets. Idris said she was a spoilt child before her husband ostracized her. Hussam walked away hand in hand with the Israeli’s who saved his life. Wafa described her stay in Israel, receiving free medical care, as warm and welcoming. Yet, Wafa also claims to have had no animosity towards Israel or the Jews. Hussam, at the same time, says he had no hatred of the Jews. He just wanted to earn admiration. His victims weren’t even a factor. So, obviously if these people are being spoilt, welcomed, and savedby the Israeli's they're not being treated as badly as the Arab camp claims. Yet, if they're willing to make friends with Jews and don't have any prior conflcit with Israel then how can i believe they're being trained as the next world's Nazi?
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Yei wrote:

It's no surprise that the people who resort to suicide bombings or joining terrorist organizations are desperate people with a very corrupt mentality. This is obvious.

But it also applies to the entire terrorist organization and population as a whole. It's not a surprise that a desperate woman resorts to suicide bombing, and it's not a surprise an entire population of desperate people resorts to terrorism and violence. You'll notice most terrorist organizations are started in oppressed areas filled with desperate suffering people. It's only natural that people react badly to being mistreated.


Like the KKK in the southern United States following the Civil War?


No.

And that's technically a "hate group."
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No.

And that's technically a "hate group."


Dig the edit. And the KKK wear those ghost costumes for a reason. Their whole goal was to strike terror in the African Americans to chase them out of the south. If that's not a terrorist organization then what is?
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No.

And that's technically a "hate group."


Dig the edit. And the KKK wear those ghost costumes for a reason. Their whole goal was to strike terror in the African Americans to chase them out of the south. If that's not a terrorist organization then what is?


I know, the US government has a weird way of classifying things, but my point was I wouldn't put the KKK in the same category as Hamas or the IRA.

Most of the people are just reacting to what was done to them, and what continues to be done to them. The situation for Palestinians is made much worse because they have an anti-Semitic culture, and so people easily can turn into extremists or support extremists. For my sociology class I did a big project on terrorist organizations, we actually did a whole thing called "The Psychology of Terrorists" where we looked at why people join terrorist organizations.

Many people in Gaza don't support Hamas or want anything to do with Hamas, but they begin to support them as soon as Israeli soldiers come by and bulldoze their home. Or when their family gets blown up in one of Israel's out of control "self-defense" massacres. Many Palestinians have good reason to dislike Israel, it could be what they did to them in 1948, they could have unlawfully arrested and tortured their family members, IDF soldiers could have shot their kids, maybe their lives are extremely difficult because of the wall or the sanctions Israel put in place and they can't even leave if they wanted to, etc etc. The list goes on, many Palestinians have a reason to hate Israel and so they continue to support Hamas, and carry out terrorist attacks.

btw, have you seen Rendition? It tells the story of exactly what you're talking about, a boy gets brainwashed into becoming a suicide bomber.
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I know, the US government has a weird way of classifying things, but my point was I wouldn't put the KKK in the same category as Hamas or the IRA.

Most of the people are just reacting to what was done to them, and what continues to be done to them. The situation for Palestinians is made much worse because they have an anti-Semitic culture, and so people easily can turn into extremists or support extremists. For my sociology class I did a big project on terrorist organizations, we actually did a whole thing called "The Psychology of Terrorists" where we looked at why people join terrorist organizations.

Many people in Gaza don't support Hamas or want anything to do with Hamas, but they begin to support them as soon as Israeli soldiers come by and bulldoze their home. Or when their family gets blown up in one of Israel's out of control "self-defense" massacres. Many Palestinians have good reason to dislike Israel, it could be what they did to them in 1948, they could have unlawfully arrested and tortured their family members, IDF soldiers could have shot their kids, maybe their lives are extremely difficult because of the wall or the sanctions Israel put in place and they can't even leave if they wanted to, etc etc. The list goes on, many Palestinians have a reason to hate Israel and so they continue to support Hamas, and carry out terrorist attacks.

btw, have you seen Rendition? It tells the story of exactly what you're talking about, a boy gets brainwashed into becoming a suicide bomber.


The Israeli city of Sderot is one of Hamas’ favorite targets because the population density is even greater than that of the Gaza Strips [1]. In Israel, residential homes are not considered to live up to national safety standards unless they have built in bomb-shelters. In fact one of the major issues wrangled over by Israeli politicians is how to deal with the thousands of mostly elderly Israelis within rocket range who do not have adequate shelters [2]. Many of these defenseless civilians fled from pogroms and discrimination in the Arab world and in the former Soviet Union. Personally, I’d feel a bit desperate if I was chased out of my home in a community that my family had stayed in for more than 2,500 years only to wind up cowering in a closet on a daily basis. (As I pointed out with a cited source in a previous post, while 700,000 Palestinians were displaced by the 1948 war, 825,000 Jews were displaced by Arab discrimination in countries where their ancestors had remained for thousands of years.)

Playgrounds in Sderot have concrete tunnels designed to take rocket fire painted like caterpillars [3].

In the city of Sderot most Israeli families sleep together in a single fortified room [4]. During the years leading up to Operation Cast Lead rocket fire on Sderot from Gaza spiked so profoundly that grade schools and universities alike were closed down because it was too dangerous to walk across the street with your children. By January of 2009 they finally managed to augment their schools with fortified canopy rooftops and bomb shelters, allowing children to return to school for the first time in weeks [5].

Israeli Education Minister Yuli Tamir said that she hoped the re-opening of schools would provide some comfortable routine for the children in their stressful situation [6]

On January 3, 2009 the a 170 mm rocket obliterated the defenses of a fortified elementary school and crashed into a classroom. The new upgraded version of Hamas’ previously short range and smaller missiles was so heavy that it could not be lifted by a tractor, it required two [7]. These children, after having been denied an education which even the Palestinians were receiving at that time, after spending weeks in a bomb shelter thought they could finally step aside and see the light of day again. They believed for 3 days that they had a place of refuge. Their hope was torn asunder.

It’s no wonder schools in Israel are reporting less than 25% attendance [8]. After all, most of the missiles land during the hours in which Israeli children are walking to school [9]. Hamas’ favorite targets are children [10].

As much as ninety-four percent of Sderot children aged 4-18 show symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder [11]. About thirty percent of children and thirty percent of adults have been diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder [12]. The Israelis and Arabs alike in this region are so fed up with the government’s failure to protect them that even their elected officials are throwing in the towels. The mayor of Sderot announced that he would resign because there was nothing they could do since the Israeli government was so reluctant to defend its own citizens [13]. As you can see in the article Eli was seen as a champion and a guardian of the Israeli peoples against the missile attacks. He spent millions fortifying bus stations, public streets, residential homes, children’s centers, recovery centers for physiological victims, and education facilities. Israel literally begged him to reconsider.

90% of the city’s residents have had a missile land near them [14]. These missile attacks are war crimes [15]. They’re against basic humanitarian laws [16].

The victims of continuous crimes against humanity have lost their hero. They realize now that even their schools are not safe. Their homes are not safe. Their streets are not safe. Their playgrounds are not safe. There is nowhere safe, and the Israeli government is so afraid to retaliate that they wait until the city is on the brink of psychological collapse before retaliating. And we see how the media, the United Nations react.

Remember how there was that story in which Israel bombed a United Nations school? Israel said that it was being used to fire missiles from a the courtyard but was called a liar, recall? Turns out, they weren’t lying [17] and they didn’t hit the school [18].


Gaza city is one of the most densely populated places on earth. Yet, the casualties were roughly half and half for non-combatants to militants, and were kept down to about 1,500. (I chose a number roughly equally between the Israeli and Palestinian estimates and rounded to that. I’m guessing it’s probably more accurate than either claim.)

Again, as I’ve said with citations many times before, thirty thousand people died in the Gulf War. More civilians were killed in one day of the gulf war than the entire Gaza conflict. Three thousand people die every week in the Iraq war. They made phone calls, dropped leaflets, sent texts, sent e-mails, sent facts, dropped sound bombs, evacuated civilians, paid to send Palestinians with foreign passports to safer nations.

Yes, they destroy Palestinian homes. That’s very true, and with good reason. They’re used as cover by terrorists, as well as storage for missiles and weaponry. People can deny this but it has been documented, admitted by the United Nations, admitted by Hamas, admitted by Fatah, admitted by the PLO, testified to by IDF, testified to by foreigners, and testified to by Palestinians. It’s even been caught on tape [19].

The Israeli’s are desperate. They cannot defend themselves without being internationally condemned. Yet, they’re not popping up with terrorists left and right. They’re not suicide bombing random Palestinians, or slaughtering Arab citizens of their own country. The same cannot be said of Hamas or even Fatah.



9-years old boy Osher Twito copes with lost of his leg.Osher and his and his big brother Rami were seriously hurt when a Qassam exploded next to them in Sderot.



Israeli woman is carried out of a shopping mall on 14 May 2008 after a missile crashed through the building and seriously wounded several dozen people, mostly women, all civilians.


After a missile hit his home Osher Twitto was carried out.


Irit Shitrit, a female citizen was murdered by Hamas during what was supposed to be a ceace fire.


12/26/008: Israel opens Gaza border to flood 40 lorries loaded with grain to the Karem Abu Salem crossing, 40 lorries of food supplies to Gaza, 400,000 litres of industrial fuel, and about 120 tonnes of cooking gas [20].

During this time Hamas fired a dozens of rockets at Israel in a bombardment so fierce that it killed and injured several Palestinians [21]. Though murdered by Hamas rockets, pictures of Sabah, 12, and Hanin, five, charred corpses are not available, how surprising is that?

June 8 2005, rockets fired at the Israeli settlement of Ganei Tal killed two Palestinian workers and one Chinese worker in a packing plant. On 2 August 2005, a rocket apparently launched by Islamic Jihad killed a 6-year-old boy and his father in Beit Hanoun [22]

I Now, you can dot his exact same thing for the Palestinians and probably to a greater degree. No, kill that probably. It’s a fact, let’s face it.

But Gaza has Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Resistance Committees, Fatah, and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine. That only counting the major contributors to missile fire. All of them predate the wall. All of them exploited Israel when it lifted the blockade. All of them forced Israel to put up the blockade even after the wall was built.

Israel’s government fails to protect its citizens. Israeli’s in Sderot and these other cities are just as desperate, just as shell shocked. Yet, they’re not producing terrorist organizations. There must be something else in play. And while both sides play the ‘chicken and the egg thing,’ the fact is that this is a tangled web and you know as well as I do that nobody really knows what they’re retaliating for. They’re simply inventing one excuse after another.

Why doesn't Israel have Wafa's?

There’s something different. Is it the Islamic cultures? Exploitation? Indoctrination? Why are Muslim women, Palestinian people, Arabs so much more inclined to this than anyone else? Even ones from nations not being oppressed!


[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7818022.stm
[2] http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061105.html
[3] http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/article973835.ece
[4]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7592303.stm
[5] http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28605322/#storyContinued
[6]http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424929317&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FshowFull
[7] http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3678847,00.html
[8] http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=82338
[9] http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=76438
[10]http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1235410720483
[11] http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/945489.html
[12] http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=76438
[13] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7140784.stm
[14] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7818022.stm
[15] http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/foreign-supplied-weapons-used-against-civilians-israel-and-hamas-20090220
[16] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/ban-kimoon-lsquoappalledrsquo-by-gaza-destruction-1451889.html
[17] http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?
[18] http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/40462
[19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJgfZ9_6miE
[20] http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/2008122692917231764.html
[21] http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/2008122692917231764.html
[22] http://www.hrw.org/en/node/10911/section/3
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