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The Evil in Human Hearts
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Posted 8/23/09
It has been portrayed through several crappy shows, movies (notably, Tom Hank's Cast Away), and novels like "The Lord of the Flies" that humans all carry an evil side to themselves that can take over and become a more obvious asset when "civilization" or laws are not present. Do you believe this is possible or can we control our "inner beast"?

I don't believe in this "uncivilized" crap because after being in a civilized state since birth, i am tamed enough to hold my pride and morals intact. Its the same thing for 40 year olds and 80 year olds. I don't believe that years of experience will just "vanish" so easily.
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I don't think we are inherently evil, but a lot of our intrinsic desires and behaviors are often perceived that way, such as selfishness and self-preservation. I think that only a select few people could control these without the restrictions of laws and civilization, because even with those boundaries most people are heavily influenced and motivated by their primal nature.
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Posted 8/24/09

Cuddlebuns wrote:

I don't think we are inherently evil, but a lot of our intrinsic desires and behaviors are often perceived that way, such as selfishness and self-preservation. I think that only a select few people could control these without the restrictions of laws and civilization, because even with those boundaries most people are heavily influenced and motivated by their primal nature.


hmm, monks are pretty good at eliminating their worldly desire.
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cdplayer6 wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

I don't think we are inherently evil, but a lot of our intrinsic desires and behaviors are often perceived that way, such as selfishness and self-preservation. I think that only a select few people could control these without the restrictions of laws and civilization, because even with those boundaries most people are heavily influenced and motivated by their primal nature.


hmm, monks are pretty good at eliminating their worldly desire.


Most people aren't monks, in fact most of us are quite the opposite.
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humons arent evil humons werent made to kill and most ppl cant live anymore once theyve seen someone dead that theyve killed
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Posted 8/24/09

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cdplayer6 wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

I don't think we are inherently evil, but a lot of our intrinsic desires and behaviors are often perceived that way, such as selfishness and self-preservation. I think that only a select few people could control these without the restrictions of laws and civilization, because even with those boundaries most people are heavily influenced and motivated by their primal nature.


hmm, monks are pretty good at eliminating their worldly desire.


Most people aren't monks, in fact most of us are quite the opposite.



But still, that implies that humans can eradicate the temptations, If and if only IF; that particular person really wants to overcome that temptation. In the end, Humans were not born as a good nor bad persons but as neutral. Its depends on the path we will choose; Good or Evil.

Evil path is always been the easier/luscious path

while good is more complicated but once you done something good for others; I really don't know how to express that feeling but one thing is for sure, it feels good^^
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Posted 8/24/09
i believe that human hearts have evil

the thing is we should live right

so that this evil never take over to humans

example.... if someone harm your friend all thing comes to you is to kill

then you cannot control your body anymore till the one you hate a lot gone in your sight
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i wouldnt be surprided,ive been in a situation where the evil in me showed itself so i know in times you cant help but to give in...
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None of us can escape our instincts no matter how "uncivilized" they are.

if im stuck on the north pole with a group of men and we already ate all the food and dogs, im willing to bet you that i would start to think about cannibalism....and its 2009


its not fucking evil its animal instinct to survive by anymeans.
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All humans are innately evil and selfish beings. We have an evil nature that is dominant over good. We may do "good" but do we really do it to be good or merely for show? Look at the world today, the "good" that is done is vastly done for political reasons and because of international pressure.
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"Civilization" and laws promote even worse evils than instinct. As if instinct could be understood to be evil; people can kill in the name of the state as easily as out of anger.
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We studied this in terms of Judaism in RE.

They call the evil inclination Yetzer Harah, and while it's not evil in itself (it's purpose is to help us survive) if acted on frequently and to extremes... well it causes evil.

And I agree to an extent, most people just do what they have to in order to survive. And that for most of us is go to work and then get the groceries. But for people in certain circumstances, they must do things like stealing or killing in order to survive. And it's this instinct from back in our primal days that drives us in either case. And I don't believe this is evil.

True evil is more to do with causing unnecessary suffering, for example killing for fun or torture for the sake of torture. And most people will never actually consider this in their entire lifetime, thoughts such as these are almost entirely restricted to psychopaths and people with other psychological disorders. These people are difficult to define as human as they lack compassion and empathy, which a lot of people believe are defining of the human character.

Though there are exceptions of course. For example people raised in a culture where actions typically perceived as evil are the norm. These people can still love and empathise with their kin however they have been programmed by culture to act out in a way which would not be accepted by many civilised countries. Cannibalism for example is seen as a spiritual ritual in some places (i forget where) and in a lot of cases they don't actually kill or torture their victims. It's usually relatives who died of natural causes being eaten so they can remain as a "part" of their relatives. But there are probably some places out there where they will torture and kill prisoners of war as part of a different sort of ritual. These people don't think they're being evil because they've been raised this way which sets them apart from psychopaths who know and just don't care.
So I'm not sure how much I can credit that with being evil.

Perhaps I'm just very optimistic about human nature.

(Haha, in short, what Cuddlebuns said)
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But still, that implies that humans can eradicate the temptations, If and if only IF; that particular person really wants to overcome that temptation. In the end, Humans were not born as a good nor bad persons but as neutral. Its depends on the path we will choose; Good or Evil.Evil path is always been the easier/luscious path

while good is more complicated but once you done something good for others; I really don't know how to express that feeling but one thing is for sure, it feels good^^



The fact that we have to overcome that temptation, the desire to do evil, inductively leads us to conclude that people already have that temptation. You cannot overcome something unless it is present at the time and prior to the surmounting. I cannot, for example, quell a hunger pang unless I’m hungry. I cannot fill a hole in my character unless there’s a hole in my character.

Since this desire to do evil is present even before we’ve had a time to assimilate to the world outside of the womb we’re clearly born with it. Thus, in our natural state we desire things considered evil. Sex, selfishness, even the suffering of others.

So I suppose it comes down to how you define evil. Personally, I think good and evil are inventions of religion. Secularly, they’re just useful concepts. Religiously they’re a matter of choice. You can choose to be evil and you can choose to be good. But I think that there are certain things, certain actions, evil by the very nature of their existence. One thing that is evil by the very nature of its existence is human nature itself. We have to conquer our natural condition and ‘ascend,’ not to sound too preachy.
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Posted 8/25/09

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hello1993 wrote:


But still, that implies that humans can eradicate the temptations, If and if only IF; that particular person really wants to overcome that temptation. In the end, Humans were not born as a good nor bad persons but as neutral. Its depends on the path we will choose; Good or Evil.Evil path is always been the easier/luscious path

while good is more complicated but once you done something good for others; I really don't know how to express that feeling but one thing is for sure, it feels good^^



The fact that we have to overcome that temptation, the desire to do evil, inductively leads us to conclude that people already have that temptation. You cannot overcome something unless it is present at the time and prior to the surmounting. I cannot, for example, quell a hunger pang unless I’m hungry. I cannot fill a hole in my character unless there’s a hole in my character.

Since this desire to do evil is present even before we’ve had a time to assimilate to the world outside of the womb we’re clearly born with it. Thus, in our natural state we desire things considered evil. Sex, selfishness, even the suffering of others.

So I suppose it comes down to how you define evil. Personally, I think good and evil are inventions of religion. Secularly, they’re just useful concepts. Religiously they’re a matter of choice. You can choose to be evil and you can choose to be good. But I think that there are certain things, certain actions, evil by the very nature of their existence. One thing that is evil by the very nature of its existence is human nature itself. We have to conquer our natural condition and ‘ascend,’ not to sound too preachy.


What does this mean?
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What does this mean?


It means exactly what it says. Human nature is evil. We’re naturally prone to rape, murder, sadism, perversion, deceitfulness, and various other earthly attributes to our character. We can be taught to separate ourselves from these by society, but that’s not our natural, initial state. It’s programming, brainwashing, training. Now, your definition of evil may vary from one individual to the next.

By my definition, however, rape is evil by the very nature of its existence. In a universe of nothing but good there would be no rape. It’s like suffering. Suffering is evil by its very nature, but that doesn’t mean you’re being evil if you suffer. Well, human nature is evil but that doesn’t mean you’re evil for having an evil nature. In other words, your learned desire to be good has to outweigh your natural desire to be ‘earthly.’
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