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The Evil in Human Hearts
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Evil is some bullshit based upon religious shit.
So I guess, yes, we're evil.
If self preservation and the need to continue our DNA is evil.


bullshit? then how do u define evil? self preservation or continueing DNA isnt evil in my definition.

its how u self preserve and continue the DNA is what where concercned about.

besides, our basic intincts include sex and aggression (need to destroy what we dont like).

im not quesioning yur morality, im just making sure you understand the topic.

is sex ok if u rape random woman continuesly? is aggression ok if u kill every single person who made u angry, uncomfortable, or that u simply didnt agree with?

even if evil/good doesnt exists in nature, do u really want to live in a society with no limits on our natural instincts? good/evil may not exists in nature, but we certainly cant preserve our DNA, or self preserve if where too busy killing off the human populace. We wouldnt evolve very far either.peace over war
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the guy with the gun was a police chief and the man he killed had just killed the police chief's son, so this kill is justified.peace over war
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Evil doesn't exist. It's only here because people believe things to be bad and label it evil that way.

Murder, rape, stealing, etc. These are only evil because many hate the thought of losing something, in some way.
Honestly, if one can commit these crimes, without even a hint of regret, they can't call it evil. They honestly wouldn't be ashamed of it or felt it's wrong if they couldn't regret.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying law is bad for restricting or it's ok to do these things. I too fear the thought of losing what I hold dear.
It's perfectly logical to lock away what one fears.

To answer anothers question though, I don't know if I would prefer no limits or not. Evolving would stop or drastically slow? I can see that.
If that's true, even if murder exists, we would be raised to adapt to another world. Thanks to the cease in evolution, the choices in which to kill a man would also be drastically reduced as well.
With the lack of evolution and people following instincts, it's also possible some reasons to hate would not exist.
You can't exactly say the world would be a worse off place if instincts ran wild, though I can't say it would be better either.

Peace is nice, but never forget war. Believe it or not, violence has its upsides too.
Posted 9/4/09

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Peace is nice, but never forget war. Believe it or not, violence has its upsides too.
As an amateur boxer, I'm somewhat of a romantic when it comes to certain form of conflicts between two competitors, with actions that speak louder than words. When the competition isn't about fame nor glory, nationality nor religion, classes nor races. Just simply two individuals who wish to put their respective convictions behind their fists and to the test. That's when I see two winners who have the courage to search for their respective truth within their actions, their disciplines, and their mastery over their bodies and skills.
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dontknowz wrote:
Peace is nice, but never forget war. Believe it or not, violence has its upsides too.
As an amateur boxer, I'm somewhat of a romantic when it comes to certain form of conflicts between two competitors, with actions that speak louder than words. When the competition isn't about fame nor glory, nationality nor religion, classes nor races. Just simply two individuals who wish to put their respective convictions behind their fists and to the test. That's when I see two winners who have the courage to search for their respective truth within their actions, their disciplines, and their mastery over their bodies and skills.




Couldn't agree more~ I can't say i've taken fighting to a level such as boxing. However in school, I had always had a friend or rather, a rival that I fought with often.
Even though we'd hit each other, and fight often, at the end of the day, we'd always laugh together.
Violence can be a beautiful thing as well. It's sad when people only see it is as unreasonable and cruel, and frown on it completely.
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Evil doesn't exist. It's only here because people believe things to be bad and label it evil that way.

Murder, rape, stealing, etc. These are only evil because many hate the thought of losing something, in some way.
Honestly, if one can commit these crimes, without even a hint of regret, they can't call it evil. They honestly wouldn't be ashamed of it or felt it's wrong if they couldn't regret.


By that reasoning, nothing exists because everything in the universe has been labeled by us. Knowledge doesn't exist, it's just a label that we put on the information that we retain and record. Words don't exist, it's just a label we put on certain patterns of sounds and markings. Opinions don't exist, it's just a label that we put on certain human thought patterns. These things are only present because we perceive them to be there, therefore they don't exist (which is basically what you were saying, or rather you weren't saying it because we only perceived those words to be on our monitors).

Evil does exist, it's just very subjective. Even that murderer who doesn't regret killing would still have some idea of what is evil and what is good. He may think that what he did was evil but just doesn't care, or actually enjoys committing evil acts. Or he may think that what he did was good and that people who don't kill are evil. There is no one who does not have some concept of what is right and what is wrong, but it varies greatly from person to person.
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the guy with the gun was a police chief and the man he killed had just killed the police chief's son, so this kill is justified.peace over war


There is no justification on taking the life of another.
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dontknowz wrote:

Evil doesn't exist. It's only here because people believe things to be bad and label it evil that way.

Murder, rape, stealing, etc. These are only evil because many hate the thought of losing something, in some way.
Honestly, if one can commit these crimes, without even a hint of regret, they can't call it evil. They honestly wouldn't be ashamed of it or felt it's wrong if they couldn't regret.


By that reasoning, nothing exists because everything in the universe has been labeled by us.
Knowledge doesn't exist, it's just a label that we put on the information that we retain and record. Words don't exist, it's just a label we put on certain patterns of sounds and markings. Opinions don't exist, it's just a label that we put on certain human thought patterns. These things are only present because we perceive them to be there, therefore they don't exist (which is basically what you were saying, or rather you weren't saying it because we only perceived those words to be on our monitors).

Evil does exist, it's just very subjective. Even that murderer who doesn't regret killing would still have some idea of what is evil and what is good. He may think that what he did was evil but just doesn't care, or actually enjoys committing evil acts. Or he may think that what he did was good and that people who don't kill are evil. There is no one who does not have some concept of what is right and what is wrong, but it varies greatly from person to person.


Well at first I was scratching my head over why you suddenly brought up that other things didn't exist.
You seem to have mistaken me, my example ment that any certain action cannot be called evil. Everyone has their own type of evil, like you said, it's very subjective. However labeling certain actions such as "murder" can't be called truly evil, since it varies for many people.
My arguement was only that evil doesn't truly exist, it's only here because we created it. By we, I mean everything alive, including animals.
My proof is that there's no single something in the world that everything hates and would call evil.
Murder? Torture? Rape? Even if the majority agrees it's evil, there will and has always been one person/thing to enjoy these things or have a reason to 'justify' their actions.

Edit: Just noticed, we're arguing about evil and i'm backing up that crimes like these can't be called truly evil.
Proving that you're right, it is very subjective. Opinions change with people, and nothing can be called truly evil.

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JJT2 wrote:



the guy with the gun was a police chief and the man he killed had just killed the police chief's son, so this kill is justified.peace over war


There is no justification on taking the life of another.


So if one man, who is hiding behind a bunker leaving only his head visible, holds a device and is capable of killing off millions of humans with a single button with your only chance of saving them was to shoot him in the head. You wouldn't feel it's justified or do it?

By the way, with our current tech, however unlikely, this is actually possible. Scary thought~ Luckly I doubt it'll happen.
Posted 9/5/09

dontknowz wrote:Well at first I was scratching my head over why you suddenly brought up that other things didn't exist.
You seem to have mistaken me, my example ment that any certain action cannot be called evil. Everyone has their own type of evil, like you said, it's very subjective. However labeling certain actions such as "murder" can't be called truly evil, since it varies for many people.
My arguement was only that evil doesn't truly exist, it's only here because we created it. By we, I mean everything alive, including animals.
My proof is that there's no single something in the world that everything hates and would call evil.

Murder? Torture? Rape? Even if the majority agrees it's evil, there will and has always been one person/thing to enjoy these things or have a reason to 'justify' their actions.

Edit: Just noticed, we're arguing about evil and i'm backing up that crimes like these can't be called truly evil.
Proving that you're right, it is very subjective. Opinions change with people, and nothing can be called truly evil.
Let's look at the one indisputable, unanimous, and fundamental law of nature that governs every known animal species on earth, humans included; survival of the fittest.

This universal law can be seen throughout the human history of wars, even down to the smallest dispute. Because there are those interpreted that "survival of the fittest" as "might is right", when they judged nations and states based on economic, military, and political powers. Thus they justified their actions by them being the most powerful.

Now I'm going to introduce yet another indisputable, unanimous, and fundamental law, this one however only applies to humans; absolute power corrupts absolutely. And true enough, throughout human history of economy, militia, and politics, we can see corruptions in all those fields. And these corruptions are often the ones that caused us unnecessary wars and conflicts, when we ended up paying with the lives and livelihoods of those who are innocent.

Therefore what's not to say that the humans' collective weakness of corrupting ourselves with our will to overpower by any means necessary, is the indisputable, unanimous, and fundamental evil that's not even necessary? When you tried to justify the act of killing the life of one, in order to save the lives of many.
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