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Should Japan ban Explicit Porn Games and Manga?
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Posted 9/1/09 , edited 9/1/09
I agree that explicit, violent pornography shouldn't be made, especially ones with children, but that's because I think it's disgusting. I think the discrimination against women in Japan has nothing to do with that, porn doesn't really have a significant effect on the justice system IMO.

But the bad pornography should still not be made because it gives the message that it's ok. Especially the pedophile porn, it's hard to believe people actually create porn for pedophiles. Pedophilia isn't ok, and rape isn't ok, so any porn depicting them shouldn't be made.
Posted 9/4/09

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quintus_fontane wrote:


So in closing, and say whatever you want mate, but absolutely no. You make it sound to the casual observer that Japan is this sexual abuse/molestation paradise, when nothing could be further from the truth. Sure they do have issues with it, but every country in the world does. Please remember that this is the internet, where many people (primarily young people) can have their opinions about places and people they know little about changed quite easily, and that sensationalist rants like this can end up creating more ignorance, which in all honesty the world seriously does not need any more of.


Bingo. The whole topic is driven by an hysterical moral agenda and will serve only to generate more of the same. I can't think of a single moral crusade ever undertaken, no matter how noble its premise, that found success by way of attempting to ban some perceived moral failure or sin. Not one. All politics is supremely local in that if you want to change the world you must begin with yourself and not try to persuade others of the nobility of your cause by way of censorship , because censorship in itself is primarily a show of desperation and weakness. Another poster correctly asked you to more effectively direct your energies to projects and groups directly associated with changing social attitudes and laws. Asking for a ban on abstract depictions of human violence of any sort is a fool's errand.
You don't cure a disease by trying to suppress its expression or merely treat its symptoms.
Except this isn't "an hysterical moral agenda," but rather it is an UN group's own observation on a report about Japan's own sexual discrimination. Which the report itself was submitted six times by the Japanese government, who conducted their own research in order to generate those report per UN's standard protocol on all their member states.

And what's to say censorship is weakness? When what's being censored isn't good for women and children; the normalization of discriminating of women and children by the way of selling explicit sexual entertainment mediums of discriminating women and children through the act of rape.

Finally, I've admitted that while banning the selling of those particular types of entertainment mediums won't make the rapists nor the act of rape go away. It still has its merits:

So now it's your turn as to explain why you don't support the ban? And before you do ask yourself this: if you were a woman or even a child, would you find these explicit sexual entertainment mediums of discriminating women and children through the act of rape as entertaining? And based on that decision, would you allow the selling of just such mediums for their entertainment values?
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GIRUGAMESH~!(For your weeaboo impaired self-image)
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GIRUGAMESH~!(For your weeaboo impaired self-image)
Ah finally! Someone who appreciates self-descriptive humor!
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Posted 9/4/09
no, because if it got banned i'll feel bad for the ones who like it
(i don't like it)
Posted 9/5/09

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no, because if it got banned i'll feel bad for the ones who like it
(i don't like it)
However, do you think discrimination in the form of poor character judgment on women and children is good, therefore it should be advocated?

I mean isn't that basically what rape came down to, someone forcing their will against others, without them considering others' own thoughts nor feelings(consents) of opposing whatever that they're being forced into by them? Because they either don't like it, don't want it, or don't understand what's being forced upon them.

Therefore you were feeling bad and ended up with you defending about a bunch of people, who like the act of discrimination of women and children. Because they are either poor judges of characters, inconsiderate toward others own thoughts and feelings, or they like the thrill of raping women and children; an act that's beyond erotic, to the point that's not even sexually pleasant because it is wrong.
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Posted 9/5/09

DomFortress wrote:


hitmantutor wrote:

no, because if it got banned i'll feel bad for the ones who like it
(i don't like it)
However, do you think discrimination in the form of poor character judgment on women and children is good, therefore it should be advocated?

I mean isn't that basically what rape came down to, someone forcing their will against others, without them considering others' own thoughts nor feelings(consents) of opposing whatever that they're being forced into by them? Because they either don't like it, don't want it, or don't understand what's being forced upon them.

Therefore you were feeling bad and ended up with you defending about a bunch of people, who like the act of discrimination of women and children. Because they are either poor judges of characters, inconsiderate toward others own thoughts and feelings, or they like the thrill of raping women and children; an act that's beyond erotic, to the point that's not even sexually pleasant because it is wrong.


....you're right. thanks dude
i feel refreshed now
Posted 9/5/09

hitmantutor wrote:....you're right. thanks dude
i feel refreshed now
Any time! And you're welcome.
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Posted 9/11/09

DomFortress wrote:


Ghosthound wrote:


quintus_fontane wrote:


So in closing, and say whatever you want mate, but absolutely no. You make it sound to the casual observer that Japan is this sexual abuse/molestation paradise, when nothing could be further from the truth. Sure they do have issues with it, but every country in the world does. Please remember that this is the internet, where many people (primarily young people) can have their opinions about places and people they know little about changed quite easily, and that sensationalist rants like this can end up creating more ignorance, which in all honesty the world seriously does not need any more of.


Bingo. The whole topic is driven by an hysterical moral agenda and will serve only to generate more of the same. I can't think of a single moral crusade ever undertaken, no matter how noble its premise, that found success by way of attempting to ban some perceived moral failure or sin. Not one. All politics is supremely local in that if you want to change the world you must begin with yourself and not try to persuade others of the nobility of your cause by way of censorship , because censorship in itself is primarily a show of desperation and weakness. Another poster correctly asked you to more effectively direct your energies to projects and groups directly associated with changing social attitudes and laws. Asking for a ban on abstract depictions of human violence of any sort is a fool's errand.
You don't cure a disease by trying to suppress its expression or merely treat its symptoms.
Except this isn't "an hysterical moral agenda," but rather it is an UN group's own observation on a report about Japan's own sexual discrimination. Which the report itself was submitted six times by the Japanese government, who conducted their own research in order to generate those report per UN's standard protocol on all their member states.

And what's to say censorship is weakness? When what's being censored isn't good for women and children; the normalization of discriminating of women and children by the way of selling explicit sexual entertainment mediums of discriminating women and children through the act of rape.

Finally, I've admitted that while banning the selling of those particular types of entertainment mediums won't make the rapists nor the act of rape go away. It still has its merits:

So now it's your turn as to explain why you don't support the ban? And before you do ask yourself this: if you were a woman or even a child, would you find these explicit sexual entertainment mediums of discriminating women and children through the act of rape as entertaining? And based on that decision, would you allow the selling of just such mediums for their entertainment values?


The merits of censorship are few and generally tend only to serve to drive the object of the censorship underground where it acquires an added attraction for those who would seek it out to begin with and also to those who are intrigued by the censorship itself; the "cookie jar effect" (making something more attractive by hiding from view or setting restrictions on it).
Posted 9/11/09
~yea ^^
Posted 9/12/09 , edited 9/12/09

Ghosthound wrote:The merits of censorship are few and generally tend only to serve to drive the object of the censorship underground where it acquires an added attraction for those who would seek it out to begin with and also to those who are intrigued by the censorship itself; the "cookie jar effect" (making something more attractive by hiding from view or setting restrictions on it).
Do you think a fully clothed woman's body is more attractive than of naked woman's body? Or they can be both, when "beauty is in the eye of the beholder?".

Therefore, do you think that the act of rape is made more attractive with censorship than of full-blown violence? When those who are violence to being with won't care much about your thought on censorship, because to them you are a victim since birth.

The censorship is there for those who don't what to see women and children being victimized through act of rape in open public, because of the negative effects of the act itself will have on their society. Now you tell me why would you deny them their anti-violence movement, unless you yourself don't know what act of rape is and why it's an act of violence that's wrong. And in which case, you can ask a rapist to perform the act of rape onto you, because you're just so "intrigued" with whatever that's being "censored."

Or you can just go here: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/category/japan/
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urgh i dun care..not anime freak..
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Posted 2/16/10
Definitely not. Bye bye goes delicious yaoi if yes...
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Posted 2/16/10
erm..i dont know...im okay with banning it..but, many otaku might lose interest of games/manga without ecchi and porn stuff...coz they're interested in things like that which is.....ewww. .. LOL
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