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Japanese Legislation Downplay on Rape
Posted 9/4/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:dom it's just asia or the world in general, also the worst problem is in the phillipenes and Cambodia right now with human sex trafficking of little girls which just makes me fucking to my stomach when i think about it.
However both Philippine and Cambodia are even poorer countries not like Japan, which is a democratic society and a first world nation. It's also a country with one of the highest suicide rate.
Posted 9/5/09

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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:dom it's just asia or the world in general, also the worst problem is in the phillipenes and Cambodia right now with human sex trafficking of little girls which just makes me fucking to my stomach when i think about it.
However both Philippine and Cambodia are even poorer countries not like Japan, which is a democratic society and a first world nation. It's also a country with one of the highest suicide rate.


sigh you missed my point the world is just a messed up place period, I don't care if a country has a democracy or is 3rd word rape, killing murder suicide and so on will go on.Japan is just as messed up as the rest of the world don't try to act like it's not hell America even has human sex trafficking here in the land of the free >.> and the highest homicide ratio of any country that is developed. As far as suicide goes hell i know that the reason is parents pressure kids from such an early age to do so well in school, that you must succeed get in this school and have this job your you'll be worthless etc that kids take that to heart and snap under prsssure that leads to major depression that leads to killing themselves =_=. But i am going be blunt and honest i don't care what happens in the world any more or even to myself i will probably kill myelf by the time you read and respond to this i am just fucking sick of this world and this stupidty of humanity so, so long space cow boy
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Posted 9/6/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

dom it's just asia or the world in general, also the worst problem is in the phillipenes and Cambodia right now with human sex trafficking of little girls which just makes me fucking to my stomach when i think about it.


However both Philippine and Cambodia are even poorer countries not like Japan, which is a democratic society and a first world nation. It's also a country with one of the highest suicide rate.


sigh you missed my point the world is just a messed up place period, I don't care if a country has a democracy or is 3rd word rape, killing murder suicide and so on will go on.Japan is just as messed up as the rest of the world don't try to act like it's not hell America even has human sex trafficking here in the land of the free >.> and the highest homicide ratio of any country that is developed.

As far as suicide goes hell i know that the reason is parents pressure kids from such an early age to do so well in school, that you must succeed get in this school and have this job your you'll be worthless etc that kids take that to heart and snap under prsssure that leads to major depression that leads to killing themselves =_=.

But i am going be blunt and honest i don't care what happens in the world any more or even to myself i will probably kill myelf by the time you read and respond to this i am just fucking sick of this world and this stupidity of humanity so, so long space cow boy


Yes, the sins of humanity and crimes would be and always been continue while humans itself still exist. But that's happen because the rest of people who has power or money unwilling to care about others who suffered in 3rd world countries.

True, if you take an example from Korean students. The suicide rates are high than any other countries. I had friends from Korea and they moved to another country to study because of the pressure either from society and parents. They even admitted, they were going to kill themselves while in Korea.

Well, in fact you are lolicon as you stated. Just don't commit crimes that harms lolis. In fact, you should protect them before you die. Or in major moves, you could join Red Cross and they will give you a mission to 3rd world countries that has high rates of crimes on lolis. Well, if you ready to sacrifice your lives, you could bluntly oppose and demolish prostitution that works lolis as their main business. As a result, lost your lives especially in 3rd world countries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7En-A1k1Ac

Suicide is never good. but if you willing to die, at least sacrifice your lives to those who needs you. Many good ways to die and many death could leads you become a hero with your sacrifice. Heck, even they will build a monument with your statue, biodata and history books will tell students of how good you were in your life while you think is screwed.
Posted 9/6/09 , edited 9/6/09

Ryutai-Desk wrote:Suicide is never good. but if you willing to die, at least sacrifice your lives to those who needs you. Many good ways to die and many death could leads you become a hero with your sacrifice. Heck, even they will build a monument with your statue, biodata and history books will tell students of how good you were in your life while you think is screwed.
Hm. The ultimate self-sacrifice for one's own cause to change the world for the better. Not even I can argue with that logic.

Except of course. There will be those who will respond to his cause, through raising awareness onto the rest of the society at large about his cause.
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Posted 9/6/09

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Now I would like to present a piece of information and hopefully, establish a pattern of Japanese discrimination on women through act of rape. Even before the UN's intervention. I am talking about the rape crime committed by the US Military during Occupied Japan: http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21641

In the article, it mentioned that "In the case of Japan, there was not a single incident of terrorism against U.S. forces there after World War II."[48] This conclusion must be reviewed in light of the evidence of rape, execution, and suppression of evidence of violence in the early occupation. Now I can't help but to wonder, collectively speaking, had the Japanese populace became a victim of learned helplessness(http://www.noogenesis.com/malama/discouragement/helplessness.html) ever since during the occupation? Because regardless of how bureaucratic it was, the US Military did performed some form of disciplinary actions against those soldiers who did wrong. And yet the Japanese themselves never made any form of protest against the wrongs that were brought to them by the US Military during the occupation.


Actually, Japanese had protest against US military in Okinawa base.
http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,161993,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/22/world/in-okinawa-protest-against-us-military-following-rape-case.html

I read your links and the report says the incidents occurred in 1945 - 1961 while Japanese people and its government still in miserable conditions after atomic bombs and lost the wars. So I think it's common for occupied country to not object or protest military even they doing crimes in front of your eyes as a results loss your own lives. Well, time is difference now. Japan as wealth and strong country can protest of what Gaijin (foreigner, lol) do in their countries. Well, the court and government really aware about those cases caused by US military and they took it low because they do not want affect US - Japan. It's sad, actually .


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Now fast-forward to present time, and let's look at the most resent rape crime committed by an Japanese rapist against a Japanese women victim:


I'm not a psychologist, but even I can tell that's an abnormal attitude of someone who's being accused of rape crime. It's as if he knew that what he did was wrong during that time, and he was making excuses as he went. But he couldn't help himself feeling like a victim of unnatural behaviors.

Not only that, you can find a majority of similar "rapists" who also share the rather pathetic, if not pessimistic "intents". It's as if somehow, one way or another, they couldn't help it for being the "rapists". So I can't help but to think that they're all suffering from some form of depression.



That's true. Indeed, Japanese legislation are not concerned to women in general as shown in thesis and the laws itself. However, not all Japanese as insane as the case above. Actually, Japanese society really aware, or I should say extremely aware to such trivia things. As it written :

All NSFW, but you can tell it's reliable as they also post the source website written in Japanese


However, of course. I won't say all of them are really aware about the case as some insane cases happened in Japan as well
As it written :

Again, all of them are NSFW. So .... beware, lol.


I'm hoping the new government as the new PM has been elected could change their court system and legislation to be more concern about women and little girl. I want to visit Japan but I don't want to be raped !
Posted 9/6/09

Ryutai-Desk wrote:Actually, Japanese had protest against US military in Okinawa base.
http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,161993,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/22/world/in-okinawa-protest-against-us-military-following-rape-case.html

I read your links and the report says the incidents occurred in 1945 - 1961 while Japanese people and its government still in miserable conditions after atomic bombs and lost the wars. So I think it's common for occupied country to not object or protest military even they doing crimes in front of your eyes as a results loss your own lives. Well, time is difference now. Japan as wealth and strong country can protest of what Gaijin (foreigner, lol) do in their countries. Well, the court and government really aware about those cases caused by US military and they took it low because they do not want affect US - Japan. It's sad, actually .
Well, the people at Okinawa had a different history than the rest of Japanese did, ever since during the end of the Pacific War. Thanks to the many controversies in the Japanese history textbook regarding the Battle of Okinawa: http://www.japanfocus.org/-Aniya-Masaaki/2629

Therefore it's not surprising that the people at Okinawa don't share the same sentiment as the rest of Japan.

Not only that, it looks to me that the closer as you're approaching toward more populated Japan, the number of people committing suicide gets higher: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/07/30/japanese-suicides-reach-record-levels/.


Ryutai-Desk wrote:That's true. Indeed, Japanese legislation are not concerned to women in general as shown in thesis and the laws itself. However, not all Japanese as insane as the case above. Actually, Japanese society really aware, or I should say extremely aware to such trivia things. As it written :

All NSFW, but you can tell it's reliable as they also post the source website written in Japanese


However, of course. I won't say all of them are really aware about the case as some insane cases happened in Japan as well
As it written :

Again, all of them are NSFW. So .... beware, lol.


I'm hoping the new government as the new PM has been elected could change their court system and legislation to be more concern about women and little girl. I want to visit Japan but I don't want to be raped !
It's really strange to me that there are so many Japanese displaying such flawed moral and ethic standard. Not only that they're dismissive toward the crimes in their surrounding, they can overreact to even the most simple human interactions. Are they on the verge of loosing their humanity?
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Posted 9/6/09

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Well, the people at Okinawa had a different history than the rest of Japanese did, ever since during the end of the Pacific War. Thanks to the many controversies in the Japanese history textbook regarding the Battle of Okinawa: http://www.japanfocus.org/-Aniya-Masaaki/2629

Therefore it's not surprising that the people at Okinawa don't share the same sentiment as the rest of Japan.

Not only that, it looks to me that the closer as you're approaching toward more populated Japan, the number of people committing suicide gets higher: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/07/30/japanese-suicides-reach-record-levels/.



Ah, I didn't aware of the controversial in Okinawa. I did read it, maybe I would dig it more

The traditional historical account, favoured by virtually all international historians and Okinawans, is that the Japanese army forced civilians to commit mass suicide, often directly ordering them to kill themselves and their families, and in all cases insisting they would be massacred by US forces if captured.

Japanese army units are accused of treating the civilian populace with brutal contempt even prior to their complete defeat, and abundant eye witness testimony from both Japanese and American sources generally convinces all but the most staunch revisionists.
That the invasion resulted in the death of some 150,000 Okinawan civilians, and over 100,000 Japanese soldiers is not seriously disputed.


http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/06/23/okinawans-rage-at-textbook-lies/


DomFortress wrote:

It's really strange to me that there are so many Japanese displaying such flawed moral and ethic standard. Not only that they're dismissive toward the crimes in their surrounding, they can overreact to even the most simple human interactions. Are they on the verge of loosing their humanity?


because of anime and manga? It depends, though. The culture amongst Japanese itself could caused them to contradict the current society. It is mixed. The morality had been tainted because of depression caused by bullying, economy depression and high cost of living. Not to mention those stereotypes that inflict modern youth and old-fashioned culture. Dunno if this even related or not.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/09/02/20-of-japanese-men-want-to-date-game-characters/


And the Japanese women sure has been changed now. Really different when we compare it to the past.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/08/29/japanese-women-demand-rich-husbands/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/03/01/japanese-women-scorn-men-as-too-poor/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/01/80-of-japanese-women-marrying-poorer-men-unthinkable/

Posted 9/7/09

Ryutai-Desk wrote:Ah, I didn't aware of the controversial in Okinawa. I did read it, maybe I would dig it more

The traditional historical account, favoured by virtually all international historians and Okinawans, is that the Japanese army forced civilians to commit mass suicide, often directly ordering them to kill themselves and their families, and in all cases insisting they would be massacred by US forces if captured.

Japanese army units are accused of treating the civilian populace with brutal contempt even prior to their complete defeat, and abundant eye witness testimony from both Japanese and American sources generally convinces all but the most staunch revisionists.
That the invasion resulted in the death of some 150,000 Okinawan civilians, and over 100,000 Japanese soldiers is not seriously disputed.


http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/06/23/okinawans-rage-at-textbook-lies/
There are other controversy like the Nanjing Massacre of innocent Chinese by the Japanese Imperial Army during WWII, that the Japanese government are also denying. That, with the controversial Battle of Okinawa, together with the Japanese legislation downplay on rape crime, are all indication that the Japanese government is rather irresponsible. IMO.


Ryutai-Desk wrote: because of anime and manga? It depends, though. The culture amongst Japanese itself could caused them to contradict the current society. It is mixed. The morality had been tainted because of depression caused by bullying, economy depression and high cost of living. Not to mention those stereotypes that inflict modern youth and old-fashioned culture. Dunno if this even related or not.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/09/02/20-of-japanese-men-want-to-date-game-characters/
True enough, the entertainment mediums that's Japanese anime, manga, and games aren't the ones to blame. When they're but a subculture under the mainstream cultural upbringing of the Japanese collectivism culture. If anything, I see the various Japanese subcultures are only the results of their own cultural influence on their values.

Their Japanese men are becoming more extreme by the generations, while their society's view on gender roles and family values are in serious disarray. I mean they even have some sort of reward system for families with kids: http://www.mhlw.go.jp/english/topics/child-support/child-support.html

Now why would they even need positive reinforcement for families who have children, when the idea of positive reinforcement is about rewarding good behaviors among workers in a workplace? Could it be that the Japanese government are institutionalizing family values because the Japanese populace don't enjoy having families nor raising children?
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You know, psychological case studies and statistics alike have clearly demonstrated that the vast majority of rapists sexually assault people because they want to feel like they’re in control and have power over their victims. So, really if you downplay rape that actually removes a significant part of the public appeal. In addition to this, I think it’s absurd that we make sex crimes a bigger deal than violent crimes. I was repeatedly molested by a group of other boys as a first grade child. It took months for my mother to realize something was array and put a stop to it. Yet, here I am, completely healthy. I’m your every day horny teenager. No it didn’t turn me gay. No it didn’t turn me into a sexually promiscuous deviant of lascivious pleasures.

A while back the AAP actually released a study that showed sexual relationships between adults and minors actually have more psychological benefits than anything else. In fact, we’ve known this since antiquity. The Ancient Greeks had a practice called Pedastry in which an adult male would be the sexual partner of a young boy while an adult female the sexual partner of a young girl. They didn’t consider this bizarre or romantic. It was an educational experience that would later allow these boys and girls to grow up to be ‘good husbands and wives,’ or in other-words…to rock their spouses world in bed. It was also a psychological bonding experience that helped youths to attain a sense of belonging with their fellows.

The political back lash this study caused them to pull it off of their website and not to announce it anymore. The fact remains that the study’s conclusion was quite clear and entirely scientific. Rather or not our traditional Judeo/Christian roots want to accept it or not, sex isn’t that big of a deal.

Now, I’m not defending nonconsenting sex. I’m just saying I think we exaggerate the psychological impact of rape and molestation and as a result are actually giving rapists the gratification they want.
Posted 9/7/09 , edited 9/7/09

SeraphAlford wrote:You know, psychological case studies and statistics alike have clearly demonstrated that the vast majority of rapists sexually assault people because they want to feel like they’re in control and have power over their victims. So, really if you downplay rape that actually removes a significant part of the public appeal. In addition to this, I think it’s absurd that we make sex crimes a bigger deal than violent crimes. I was repeatedly molested by a group of other boys as a first grade child. It took months for my mother to realize something was array and put a stop to it. Yet, here I am, completely healthy. I’m your every day horny teenager. No it didn’t turn me gay. No it didn’t turn me into a sexually promiscuous deviant of lascivious pleasures.

A while back the AAP actually released a study that showed sexual relationships between adults and minors actually have more psychological benefits than anything else. In fact, we’ve known this since antiquity. The Ancient Greeks had a practice called Pedastry in which an adult male would be the sexual partner of a young boy while an adult female the sexual partner of a young girl. They didn’t consider this bizarre or romantic. It was an educational experience that would later allow these boys and girls to grow up to be ‘good husbands and wives,’ or in other-words…to rock their spouses world in bed. It was also a psychological bonding experience that helped youths to attain a sense of belonging with their fellows.

The political back lash this study caused them to pull it off of their website and not to announce it anymore. The fact remains that the study’s conclusion was quite clear and entirely scientific. Rather or not our traditional Judeo/Christian roots want to accept it or not, sex isn’t that big of a deal.

Now, I’m not defending nonconsenting sex. I’m just saying I think we exaggerate the psychological impact of rape and molestation and as a result are actually giving rapists the gratification they want.
First off, I didn't exaggerate the act of raping, when I know fully well the existence of women who enjoy rape fantasy fetish:

DomFortress wrote:And to think, the rape myth in the Japanese criminal justice system is not even protecting those Japanese women who have a rape fantasy fetish(http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brainstorm/200805/why-do-women-have-erotic-rape-fantasies), simply because how gender bias it is.
So when you argue that while the western standard of rape crime is indirectly gratifying rapists who are over-barring psychotic egotists. Thereby we view rape as an act of violence and abbreviated assault against the victims' will, and not a civil rights violation. The Japanese criminal justice system however can downplay the act of rape into something that's normal among those that are mutual acquaintance, regardless the victims' lack of consents. Furthermore, the degree of just how well the acquaintance had been is often not an issue of debate. When the Japanese court could even rule out stalking as "just another way of people trying to get to know someone", just as long as the stalker wasn't caught doing it: http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/law-wiki/11935-stalking-laws.html

Second, if the act of having sex with children can be seen as an educational experience, then what about the will of those who wish not to have sex, simply because they don't want to do it with a complete stranger? And by that logic, would you condone the parents and their children to engage this "psychological bonding experience that helped youths to attain a sense of belonging with their fellows" with each other? Thereby downplaying the human value about family as nothing more than a nest of horny hamsters. Are we humans who care about other people's thoughts and feelings, or animals that will fuck anything just to satisfy our sexual desire? Just who should our laws defend, and what truth should our science justify with facts?

I'm not a religious man, however I do have my own sense of spirituality. Thus I value a man's worth by his spirit; at how he justifies and values other kindred spirits in kind by what he says and does. To do so, I will question that man's very logic and strategies, based on what he said and did as facts. I'll then play them out into an imaginary global scenario, so I can ask myself just what would I think and feel to be living in a world according to that man's standards and values. And truth be told, I don't like a world full of rapists and their victims. So why should I allow a system that will allow just such a world to exist?
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so rape is legal in japan?

well, i think japanese legislation is quite weird...
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so rape is legal in japan?

well, i think japanese legislation is quite weird...
To a certain extend, the Japanese criminal justice system will dismiss some cases whereas the rest of the world would obviously consider them as act of rape. The difference in their system is simply that they often don't consider the lack of consent from the victims, while it's leaning toward the thoughts and feelings of the rapists. That's the "rape myth" standard in the Japanese criminal justice system.
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jecayuga wrote:

so rape is legal in japan?

well, i think japanese legislation is quite weird...
To a certain extend, the Japanese criminal justice system will dismiss some cases whereas the rest of the world would obviously consider them as act of rape. The difference in their system is simply that they often don't consider the lack of consent from the victims, while it's leaning toward the thoughts and feelings of the rapists. That's the "rape myth" standard in the Japanese criminal justice system.


woah?! so japanese women should really be careful then...hmmmm

and so its like perversion is somehow tolerated in that country....tsk tsk
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jecayuga wrote:woah?! so japanese women should really be careful then...hmmmm

and so its like perversion is somehow tolerated in that country....tsk tsk
I would refer you to a site that will show you just how perverted the Japanese allowed themselves to be. But I don't think you'll like it very much.
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jecayuga wrote:woah?! so japanese women should really be careful then...hmmmm

and so its like perversion is somehow tolerated in that country....tsk tsk
I would refer you to a site that will show you just how perverted the Japanese allowed themselves to be. But I don't think you'll like it very much.


wow, now i'm thinking twice.... because i would like to go to japan and live there ... but upon hearing this..
well.... hmmm
let's see...

though, i would like to be 'educated' with this thingy.. so as to created 'awareness' perhaps....
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