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One of the rules of Las Noches is "the top 4 Espadas can't release their Ressurección inside the castle"
So, we should consider that when Aizen created this rule he wasn't including Yammy, because his power depends of his anger... Then, note that the power difference between Nnoitra and Ulquiorra is huge. Especially that Ulquiorra has a "Bankai" Ressurección: The Segunda Etapa. My opinion is that the top 4 Espadas were Vasto Lordes, excluding Yammy. And it can't be "just because their Ressurección isn't human like" o.o Ulquiorra Ressurección IS HUMAN LIKE, just Segunda Etapa that isn't... ok. He had bat wings, not human like at, all. We need more info about the Vasto Lordes. |
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memphis834 wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide Of all the espada, which ones do you think were Vasto Lordes? There's been very few times where Vasto Lordes have been discussed in the manga/anime. From those few moments, people have huge expectations for them. The most notable moment where they were discussed was when Hitsugaya explained what they are. He basically said that they were the size or normal humans and have fighting skills above the level of a captain. Further more he stated that if Aizen were to get 10 of these Vasto Lordes in his army, that it would be the end of Soul Society. In this explanation he broke down the different type of Menos: There are three levels of evolution, each with superior strength, speed, and intelligence compared to its previous form. The first of these is the Gillian which is large and powerful, but possesses very little intelligence and no individuality as a result of the merging of hundreds of hollows. If one of the hollows that now make up the gillian retains its consciousness, that consciousness takes over, and the gillian can continue to eat other hollows (including other Menos) and eventually evolve into an Adjuchas. Adjuchas act as leaders for groups of gillians, but if an adjuchas stops eating hollows, it will revert back in evolution, turning into gillian once again, permanently. From the adjuchas state, some have the potential to evolve into Vasto lordes. Vasto lorde are more humanoid in size and appearance and posses battle strength comparable or superior to a Soul Reaper captain Now, lets analyze the information I've provided here. We have Gillian: ![]() We then have Adjuchas: ![]() Finally, we have Vasto Lordes: If we go by the above explanation of the stages of a menos, then wouldn't all the espada be technically Vasto Lordes? The answer is yes. But, where the problem occurs is Aizen's intervention. In Bleach, separate from the menos stages, exists Arrancar. When we look at the espada, you must decifer who was as they appear before Aizen used the Hōgyoku. Granted they all received powerups from Aizen, some were more so than others. Some of the espada may seem rather weak but lets think about something. We have the 3 stages, but each stage lasts a certain period of time before you advance to the next stage. It's not, I'm an Adjucas, i eat a bunch of hollow and then jump up to Vasto lorde and am immediately insanely powerful. What happens first is that once you've consumed a ton of other adjuchas, you then take on the form of a vasto lorde (Power, intelligence, most notably appearance and size). You take on that size but you still have growth where you become stronger and stronger. I think that the top 4 espada (Not including Yammy), were all Vasto Lordes. 1.) Stark: Really powerful, if you read the manga, you see that he's fighting captains and vizards simultaneously 2.) Barragan: Pretty much seemingly invincible. His power was actually some of the strongest we've seen in the entire series thus far. He only lost due to his own absolute power against him. 3.) Harribel: She was beating up on Hitsugaya without even breaking a sweat. Hitsugaya used a new power and still can't beat her on his own. 4.) Ulquiorra: He killed Ichigo twice. Not much else to say. Ichigo was only able to defeat him by turning into some insanely powerful hollow/human hybrid that would have beaten anyone Thoughts? Theories? The Espada, sadly, are all Adjuchas with the exception of # 10, a Gillian, the one Rukia killed. The Espada, are all more powerful than of a Vasto Lorde. But a Vasto Lorde becoming an Arrancar is EVEN more powerful than of an Espada. But still, I have my thought on Starkk. Remember his flashbacks when Aizen recruited him. He was humanoid and even human-sized. My speculation is that he's a Vasto Lorde. Maybe even Yammy is one, considering two captains are teaming up to defeat him. |
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liquidsteel_123 wrote: memphis834 wrote: Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide Of all the espada, which ones do you think were Vasto Lordes? There's been very few times where Vasto Lordes have been discussed in the manga/anime. From those few moments, people have huge expectations for them. The most notable moment where they were discussed was when Hitsugaya explained what they are. He basically said that they were the size or normal humans and have fighting skills above the level of a captain. Further more he stated that if Aizen were to get 10 of these Vasto Lordes in his army, that it would be the end of Soul Society. In this explanation he broke down the different type of Menos: There are three levels of evolution, each with superior strength, speed, and intelligence compared to its previous form. The first of these is the Gillian which is large and powerful, but possesses very little intelligence and no individuality as a result of the merging of hundreds of hollows. If one of the hollows that now make up the gillian retains its consciousness, that consciousness takes over, and the gillian can continue to eat other hollows (including other Menos) and eventually evolve into an Adjuchas. Adjuchas act as leaders for groups of gillians, but if an adjuchas stops eating hollows, it will revert back in evolution, turning into gillian once again, permanently. From the adjuchas state, some have the potential to evolve into Vasto lordes. Vasto lorde are more humanoid in size and appearance and posses battle strength comparable or superior to a Soul Reaper captain Now, lets analyze the information I've provided here. We have Gillian: ![]() We then have Adjuchas: ![]() Finally, we have Vasto Lordes: If we go by the above explanation of the stages of a menos, then wouldn't all the espada be technically Vasto Lordes? The answer is yes. But, where the problem occurs is Aizen's intervention. In Bleach, separate from the menos stages, exists Arrancar. When we look at the espada, you must decifer who was as they appear before Aizen used the Hōgyoku. Granted they all received powerups from Aizen, some were more so than others. Some of the espada may seem rather weak but lets think about something. We have the 3 stages, but each stage lasts a certain period of time before you advance to the next stage. It's not, I'm an Adjucas, i eat a bunch of hollow and then jump up to Vasto lorde and am immediately insanely powerful. What happens first is that once you've consumed a ton of other adjuchas, you then take on the form of a vasto lorde (Power, intelligence, most notably appearance and size). You take on that size but you still have growth where you become stronger and stronger. I think that the top 4 espada (Not including Yammy), were all Vasto Lordes. 1.) Stark: Really powerful, if you read the manga, you see that he's fighting captains and vizards simultaneously 2.) Barragan: Pretty much seemingly invincible. His power was actually some of the strongest we've seen in the entire series thus far. He only lost due to his own absolute power against him. 3.) Harribel: She was beating up on Hitsugaya without even breaking a sweat. Hitsugaya used a new power and still can't beat her on his own. 4.) Ulquiorra: He killed Ichigo twice. Not much else to say. Ichigo was only able to defeat him by turning into some insanely powerful hollow/human hybrid that would have beaten anyone Thoughts? Theories? The Espada, sadly, are all Adjuchas with the exception of # 10, a Gillian, the one Rukia killed. The Espada, are all more powerful than of a Vasto Lorde. But a Vasto Lorde becoming an Arrancar is EVEN more powerful than of an Espada. But still, I have my thought on Starkk. Remember his flashbacks when Aizen recruited him. He was humanoid and even human-sized. My speculation is that he's a Vasto Lorde. Maybe even Yammy is one, considering two captains are teaming up to defeat him. Well, Yammy has variable power, and he don't have human size... e-e' |
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はいチーズ。(◕‿‿◕)огонь、
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I think that Halibel is a vasto lorde, because we saw her in a flashback when she first met Aizen. Same thing for Starrk and Baraggan, they were all humanoid when they met Aizen. I really do think that Halibel, Starrk, Baraggan and Ulquiorra are all vasto lordes.
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choclate28 wrote: I think that Halibel is a vasto lorde, because we saw her in a flashback when she first met Aizen. Same thing for Starrk and Baraggan, they were all humanoid when they met Aizen. I really do think that Halibel, Starrk, Baraggan and Ulquiorra are all vasto lordes. Oh, look~Somebody that agrees with my opinion. o/ |
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はいチーズ。(◕‿‿◕)огонь、
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The idea that none of the Espada were Vasto Lorde is ridiculous. First of all the Espada 0 to 4 were definitely Vasto Lorde, as well as Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck who after lose her powers retained a humanoid form. It is more than likely that when any arrancar releases there resurreccion form they exhibit signs of their former Adjuch(or animal)form in either appearance or attack. Remember even Starrk though he appeared very humanoid used that spirit coyote based attack.
These are the Espada that I believe were Vasto Lorde Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck Yammy Liargo Coyote Starrk Baraggan Louisenbairn Tier Harribel Ulquiorra Cifer |
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I hope Medaka Box continues and covers the Minus Arc.
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well tear is a vasto lorde. thats proven.
Im pretty sure ulquiora was a vastolorde because when they were explaining vastolorde it was showing a picture of a figuer that looked awfully like him. |
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PRINCESSNERINE wrote: These are the Espada that I believe were Vasto Lorde Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck Yammy Liargo Coyote Starrk Baraggan Louisenbairn Tier Harribel Ulquiorra Cifer i fully agree. |
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Suck my cockiness. Lick my persuasion.
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Coyote Starrk
Baraggan Louisenbairn Tier Harribel Ulquiorra Cifer Yammy Liargo Due to their amount of power, this is what I base my judgement on. The only other Vasto Lorde I speculate about is Ichigo's inner hollow, however he's not an espada so therefore my theories will be saved for another thread. |
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The only arrancar who was a vasto lordes was Tier Harribel... the others took on humanoid forms because of their intellect and ability when they became arrancar. Arrancars cannot be vasto lordes as they are no longer hollows.
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crazycrazysasuke wrote: Im pretty sure ulquiora was a vastolorde because when they were explaining vastolorde it was showing a picture of a figuer that looked awfully like him. I personally thought that looked like Ichigo's full hollow transformation :) |
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All of the Espada were Vasto Lordes. Save number 9 and probably Yammy.
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Once again these are the Espada that I believe were Vasto Lorde
Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck Yammy Liargo Coyote Starrk Baraggan Louisenbairn Tier Harribel Ulquiorra Cifer Todunga sorry all of the espada were not vasto lorde if they were only a few shinigami would have survived the show down in Kakura Town. And Revoco refer to my earlier post on the subject. Vasto Lorde is having a humanoid shape and intelligence before undergoing arrancarazation. An arrancar's ressurreccion form displays physical traits of there adjuch form from every example shown in the manga and anime. |
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I hope Medaka Box continues and covers the Minus Arc.
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The second character book states that most of the Espada were Vasto Lorde. I suppose it's also possible that Wonderweiss was one as well, since his power was within Espada range.
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