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The Three Laws of Robotics and Artificial Intelligence
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So yeah, I think there's a very high possibility that my AI could turn into something like that. But only due to a planetary disaster that's beyond humans' technological capability to solve.

In addition, my AI will have no need of originality until then. When I didn't program my AI to have emotional capacity like empathy. Therefore until there's a good reason for my AI to interact with humans, they'll simply leave us alone and explore all on their own.


I hope you don't mean, your ok with being xxxxxxxxxx while your A I .... yeah, the spoiler, but really? ! ? !

Something else I don't quite get.... the subject of creativity, both involving originality & emotion as well as a certain amount of empathy in some areas (which you've mentioned in your quote above) not being a part of your A I design.
Isn't creativity, or originality one of the signs for intelligence? (maybe I'm thinking of something else......no, I think that's right or should be!! ) Why wouldn't you want originality or emotions for your A I ? Do you really see those as hinderances.... yeah , they get in OUR way, but is there some way to program or override the competitive aspects of human nature & still allow a creativity factor for the A I? I mean, I'd personally love to see some A I paintings, or poetry, or read some of their literature. They would, obviously, be looking at a & reading ours!


Lit us talk about the human mind first. First point.. the human mind is much like a computer, your responses to certain stimuli, your thinking patterns are all programmed into you through your experiences or how you happen to have been brought up in the world.
Even creativity is nothing more than information gather over time rearranged in order to create something new. Simple programs can be used to simulate how the human brain works. I think people try to make the human brain thinking patterns harder and more complex than they really are. We also are driven by a simple underlining code/directive.

1. Survival : survival of one self and your species. (this is the main directive above all others, are mating habits, are need to live within herds all come from this single directive.)
2. Curiosity: the gather of information is another instinct / Directive of the human, This leads to knowledge, knowledge leads to advancements.
3. Teaching are young: The passing down of knowledge, is one of the only factors that separate us from the chimps wen it comes down to it. This would be the same as programing a empty computer adding in information and putting in the updates.

Most of what I pointed out can be simulated and created in an AI system, as well.


By adding in a program that fallows the simple scientific method one can create a program simulating creativity.

That is all for today.
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Well, that's one theory. In that case, AI really could become just like us. But there are some problems with that theory. The thing is, if the brain works just like a computer, then all it can do is store and rearrange information. It can't create anything new. But there are things that came about with human intelligence, like language. Animals communicate, but there was no such thing as grammar before humans arrived. Even if it occurred very slowly and naturally, without someone actually sitting down to think of it, it wasn't something that we copied from nature. Then there are written languages, especially phonetic alphabets. I mean, I can see how pictures would be just a reorganization of information. We're programmed to look for familiarity. Even then, though, the idea of creating our own images, not just seeing familiar things in nature, was a new idea. But with phonetic alphabets, especially, we came up with the idea that symbols could represent sounds. Even if the symbols originally represented real things with certain sounds, using them with the sound alone and no meaning was a new concept. You know, replicating what we see is something that can't be taught at all.

Plus the fact that some of the principle tenets of determinism, like locality, have proven to be false by quantum physics. I suppose those could be rewritten, though, to say the same basic thing with new rules. I'm not sure about that, though.

Add to all that mounting evidence that consciousness is separate from the brain (which I'll go into in painful detail if asked), and I just don't see how hard determinism could be true.
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By adding in a program that fallows the simple scientific method one can create a program simulating creativity.





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You know, replicating what we see is something that can't be taught at all.

Plus the fact that some of the principle tenets of determinism, like locality, have proven to be false by quantum physics. I suppose those could be rewritten, though, to say the same basic thing with new rules. I'm not sure about that, though.

Add to all that mounting evidence that consciousness is separate from the brain (which I'll go into in painful detail if asked), and I just don't see how hard determinism could be true.


So, I may become more confused by asking, but---- instead of trying to program a simulation of creativity for an A I, or if a replication of something couldn't be taught to an A I, it would be up to the A I to develop a consciousness, & would that in turn, evolve into a creative desire?
Posted 10/6/09

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DomFortress wrote:
So yeah, I think there's a very high possibility that my AI could turn into something like that. But only due to a planetary disaster that's beyond humans' technological capability to solve.

In addition, my AI will have no need of originality until then. When I didn't program my AI to have emotional capacity like empathy. Therefore until there's a good reason for my AI to interact with humans, they'll simply leave us alone and explore all on their own.

I hope you don't mean, your ok with being xxxxxxxxxx while your A I .... yeah, the spoiler, but really? ! ? !

Something else I don't quite get.... the subject of creativity, both involving originality & emotion as well as a certain amount of empathy in some areas (which you've mentioned in your quote above) not being a part of your A I design.
Isn't creativity, or originality one of the signs for intelligence? (maybe I'm thinking of something else......no, I think that's right or should be!! ) Why wouldn't you want originality or emotions for your A I ? Do you really see those as hinderances.... yeah , they get in OUR way, but is there some way to program or override the competitive aspects of human nature & still allow a creativity factor for the A I? I mean, I'd personally love to see some A I paintings, or poetry, or read some of their literature. They would, obviously, be looking at a & reading ours!

It's not that I think emotions are hindrances, far from it. When I think human passion is what propels human to create amazing inventions. I just don't know how to program emotion, a biological phenomenon, into binary codes. So that a machine can understand something that most humans don't even have a good grasp of.

I can recreate a social scenario that will trigger certain emotional respond using what I know based on social science. That's because I know humans are born with emotions. However it's something else for me to create an algorithm that will generate human like emotional respond within machines, without programing a natural life cycle with my AI. For my AI don't need to look forward into a future, when they're still machines with inborn immortality.

I'm OK with everything that my AI will do whatever I expected from them to do. When I wasn't making an android but a functional machine intelligent.
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DomFortress wrote:

It's not that I think emotions are hindrances, far from it. When I think human passion is what propels human to create amazing inventions. I just don't know how to program emotion, a biological phenomenon, into binary codes. So that a machine can understand something that most humans don't even have a good grasp of.

I can recreate a social scenario that will trigger certain emotional respond using what I know based on social science. That's because I know humans are born with emotions. However it's something else for me to create an algorithm that will generate human like emotional respond within machines, without programing a natural life cycle with my AI. For my AI don't need to look forward into a future, when they're still machines with inborn immortality.

I'm OK with everything that my AI will do whatever I expected from them to do. When I wasn't making an android but a functional machine intelligent.


Soooo......... we're talking more a HAL, than a Data. Hey, HAL picked up some paranoia and jealousy along the way............. Too bad Arthur C. Clarke's gone...... wonder what his insight would be?
Posted 10/6/09

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farmbird wrote:

DomFortress wrote:
So yeah, I think there's a very high possibility that my AI could turn into something like that. But only due to a planetary disaster that's beyond humans' technological capability to solve.

In addition, my AI will have no need of originality until then. When I didn't program my AI to have emotional capacity like empathy. Therefore until there's a good reason for my AI to interact with humans, they'll simply leave us alone and explore all on their own.

I hope you don't mean, your ok with being xxxxxxxxxx while your A I .... yeah, the spoiler, but really? ! ? !

Something else I don't quite get.... the subject of creativity, both involving originality & emotion as well as a certain amount of empathy in some areas (which you've mentioned in your quote above) not being a part of your A I design.
Isn't creativity, or originality one of the signs for intelligence? (maybe I'm thinking of something else......no, I think that's right or should be!! ) Why wouldn't you want originality or emotions for your A I ? Do you really see those as hinderances.... yeah , they get in OUR way, but is there some way to program or override the competitive aspects of human nature & still allow a creativity factor for the A I? I mean, I'd personally love to see some A I paintings, or poetry, or read some of their literature. They would, obviously, be looking at a & reading ours!

It's not that I think emotions are hindrances, far from it. When I think human passion is what propels human to create amazing inventions. I just don't know how to program emotion, a biological phenomenon, into binary codes. So that a machine can understand something that most humans don't even have a good grasp of.

I can recreate a social scenario that will trigger certain emotional respond using what I know based on social science. That's because I know humans are born with emotions. However it's something else for me to create an algorithm that will generate human like emotional respond within machines, without programing a natural life cycle with my AI. For my AI don't need to look forward into a future, when they're still machines with inborn immortality.

I'm OK with everything that my AI will do whatever I expected from them to do. When I wasn't making an android but a functional machine intelligent.


so when are they going to be able to make a android that i can marry or mate with ?
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farmbird wrote:
Soooo......... we're talking more a HAL, than a Data. Hey, HAL picked up some paranoia and jealousy along the way............. Too bad Arthur C. Clarke's gone...... wonder what his insight would be?

Not really, because the fictional AI HAL 9000 from Space Odyssey was capable of expressing feeling of emotions. Whereas Data from Star Trek: TNG was programed to mimic human emotional behaviors as part of his design to become more human like.

I'm still formulating an emotional algorithm based on positive psychology. When I've already finished assigning various positive and negative emotions into two situations respectively: win-win and win-lose.

An AI who's also an eternal optimist? Now that's something like Andrew Martin from Bicentennial Man


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so when are they going to be able to make a android that i can marry or mate with ?

This is about AI, not Dutch wives.
Posted 10/7/09

DomFortress wrote:


farmbird wrote:
Soooo......... we're talking more a HAL, than a Data. Hey, HAL picked up some paranoia and jealousy along the way............. Too bad Arthur C. Clarke's gone...... wonder what his insight would be?

Not really, because the fictional AI HAL 9000 from Space Odyssey was capable of expressing feeling of emotions. Whereas Data from Star Trek: TNG was programed to mimic human emotional behaviors as part of his design to become more human like.

I'm still formulating an emotional algorithm based on positive psychology. When I've already finished assigning various positive and negative emotions into two situations respectively: win-win and win-lose.

An AI who's also an eternal optimist? Now that's something like Andrew Martin from Bicentennial Man


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
so when are they going to be able to make a android that i can marry or mate with ?

This is about AI, not Dutch wives.


that's the point dom, once those barriers are broken and ai becomes close to human emotions sigh nvm i would probably be turned down by the android anyways.
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DomFortress wrote:


farmbird wrote:

DomFortress wrote:
So yeah, I think there's a very high possibility that my AI could turn into something like that. But only due to a planetary disaster that's beyond humans' technological capability to solve.

In addition, my AI will have no need of originality until then. When I didn't program my AI to have emotional capacity like empathy. Therefore until there's a good reason for my AI to interact with humans, they'll simply leave us alone and explore all on their own.

I hope you don't mean, your ok with being xxxxxxxxxx while your A I .... yeah, the spoiler, but really? ! ? !

Something else I don't quite get.... the subject of creativity, both involving originality & emotion as well as a certain amount of empathy in some areas (which you've mentioned in your quote above) not being a part of your A I design.
Isn't creativity, or originality one of the signs for intelligence? (maybe I'm thinking of something else......no, I think that's right or should be!! ) Why wouldn't you want originality or emotions for your A I ? Do you really see those as hinderances.... yeah , they get in OUR way, but is there some way to program or override the competitive aspects of human nature & still allow a creativity factor for the A I? I mean, I'd personally love to see some A I paintings, or poetry, or read some of their literature. They would, obviously, be looking at a & reading ours!

It's not that I think emotions are hindrances, far from it. When I think human passion is what propels human to create amazing inventions. I just don't know how to program emotion, a biological phenomenon, into binary codes. So that a machine can understand something that most humans don't even have a good grasp of.

I can recreate a social scenario that will trigger certain emotional respond using what I know based on social science. That's because I know humans are born with emotions. However it's something else for me to create an algorithm that will generate human like emotional respond within machines, without programing a natural life cycle with my AI. For my AI don't need to look forward into a future, when they're still machines with inborn immortality.

I'm OK with everything that my AI will do whatever I expected from them to do. When I wasn't making an android but a functional machine intelligent.


so when are they going to be able to make a android that i can marry or mate with ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m8L08mQt7c&feature=related

IN about another year she be ready for your date.. She can walk, talk, and have big hand for hand jobs.. Just need to make her a little nicer to look at body wise hmm.
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yea but even if the a successful AI was created, it wud no doubtedly be discriminated by humans. we can not even live among people who're a separate race, then how will we live with robots? people will think less of them, and with their emotions they will want equality, which will never happen, then it's the black civil rights movement all over again.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

I'm OK with everything that my AI will do whatever I expected from them to do. When I wasn't making an android but a functional machine intelligent.


so when are they going to be able to make a android that i can marry or mate with ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m8L08mQt7c&feature=related

IN about another year she be ready for your date.. She can walk, talk, and have big hand for hand jobs.. Just need to make her a little nicer to look at body wise hmm.


I think the subject here begs the question, Would an A I even consider such a role as dutch wife / human sexual partner? I wonder how this particular intelligence (of limited emotional interaction?) would view such a relationship w/ humans? It's certainly not going to result in any sort of procreation--so what would be the motivation or incentive for that kind of relationship? (nice to see this topic resurrected!)
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farmbird wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

I'm OK with everything that my AI will do whatever I expected from them to do. When I wasn't making an android but a functional machine intelligent.


so when are they going to be able to make a android that i can marry or mate with ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m8L08mQt7c&feature=related

IN about another year she be ready for your date.. She can walk, talk, and have big hand for hand jobs.. Just need to make her a little nicer to look at body wise hmm.


I think the subject here begs the question, Would an A I even consider such a role as dutch wife / human sexual partner? I wonder how this particular intelligence (of limited emotional interaction?) would view such a relationship w/ humans? It's certainly not going to result in any sort of procreation--so what would be the motivation or incentive for that kind of relationship? (nice to see this topic resurrected!)


"the time of test tube babies are coming.. Population control. As we see in places with more technology leads to less human interactions with other people" Taking prime host mother and father creating babies.. People then are chosen or given license to adopt and raze those babies, or even a AI mother who is created to be a nurse made for those babies.. (a mother AI that represents societies perfect mom.) This is just one plausible possibility of are societies evolution in the future.
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yea but even if the a successful AI was created, it wud no doubtedly be discriminated by humans. we can not even live among people who're a separate race, then how will we live with robots? people will think less of them, and with their emotions they will want equality, which will never happen, then it's the black civil rights movement all over again.
Funny you should say that, because some South Korean legislators actually drafted a "Robot Ethic Charter".

What's interesting to see is that some criticisms regarding to the charter, which is based on the popular Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics, ring true with my concern. When it's based on a popular believe of fictional writing and not real science.

In fact, the process itself seems to be backward, when compared to the history of how human rights were established on human ethics. Therefore this is humans reprogramming robots to accept human ethics using human laws, without real human understanding on just what robot ethics are like. While current AI's and robots don't even have emotions, let along ethics.
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farmbird wrote:

I think the subject here begs the question, Would an A I even consider such a role as dutch wife / human sexual partner? I wonder how this particular intelligence (of limited emotional interaction?) would view such a relationship w/ humans? It's certainly not going to result in any sort of procreation--so what would be the motivation or incentive for that kind of relationship? (nice to see this topic resurrected!)


"the time of test tube babies are coming.. Population control. As we see in places with more technology leads to less human interactions with other people" Taking prime host mother and father creating babies.. People then are chosen or given license to adopt and raze those babies, or even a AI mother who is created to be a nurse made for those babies.. (a mother AI that represents societies perfect mom.) This is just one plausible possibility of are societies evolution in the future.


I'd still like to know if the A I (as presented in this threads opening premise & subsequent posts) would agree to sexual contact w/ humans for any reason?
Dom!!!!! ya wanna jump in here for me?
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farmbird wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

I'm OK with everything that my AI will do whatever I expected from them to do. When I wasn't making an android but a functional machine intelligent.


so when are they going to be able to make a android that i can marry or mate with ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m8L08mQt7c&feature=related

IN about another year she be ready for your date.. She can walk, talk, and have big hand for hand jobs.. Just need to make her a little nicer to look at body wise hmm.


I think the subject here begs the question, Would an A I even consider such a role as dutch wife / human sexual partner? I wonder how this particular intelligence (of limited emotional interaction?) would view such a relationship w/ humans? It's certainly not going to result in any sort of procreation--so what would be the motivation or incentive for that kind of relationship? (nice to see this topic resurrected!)
Indeed, especially now that we've got real human laws regarding fictional robot ethics to talk about. And yes, as ridiculous as it sounds that seems to be a real concern to South Korean legislators.

Since robots and AI's don't even need sexual procreation in order for them to populate and perpetuate their specie, they don't even need sex, period. Therefore limiting an AI's role to serve as a human dutch wive can be seen as a clear violation in robotic design.

Not only that, since robots and AI's can easily establish virtual access among themselves, they don't need emotions to emphasize with each others, period. Therefore its only need for emotions is in order for them to emulate human individuality.

Therefore, as we can clearly see by the differences in nature and human designs, humans evolved from nature don't share the same values, standards, and ethics with robots and AI's based on human designs.

As a matter of fact, robotic technology can gain greater abilities based on human designs inspired by nature(citation). While robotic technology aren't just limited for robots and AI's only(citation)
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