Scientist say it doesnt, Phychologist say it does. ESP...does it exists?
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Ok, let me sum this up.

In my phychology classes, both highschool and college level, we disscuss the (somewhat) proven existence of ESP.

My Biology class denies such a thing.

before we move any futher KNOW the definitions of science, ESP, and phychology.

science- study/understanding of the natural world through our 5 senses. If our 5 senses dont detect it, it doesnt exists.

phychology- study/understanding of the phyche and behavior.

ESP- extra sensory perception, sensing crap without the use of our 5 senses.(higher levels may depic moving crap with our minds, but we dont have to go that far)

"Parapsychology is the study of paranormal psychic phenomena, including ESP. Parapsychologists generally regard such tests as the ganzfeld experiment as providing compelling evidence for the existence of ESP. The scientific community does not accept this due to the disputed evidence base, the lack of a theory which would explain ESP, and the lack of experimental techniques which can provide reliably positive results"-wikipedia

moving on...i always though of phychology as a branch of science, or at leasts it has a lot to do with science.Physics and biology plays a big part in phychology, but maybe im confused, perhaps phychology isnt a science at all, perhaps it is just a big thoery/philosophy its self, either way enlighten me.

i need to know because if ESP does exists, then i can train it to be able to depic/know which way and how my opponent is going to attack before he does...that can become useful in a fight peace over war
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Psychology is a mix of philosophy and science as far as I know. It explains and classifies our behavior, doesn't explain how it works (i.e what chemicals cause certain behaviors). That's where biology comes in.
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Posted 9/3/09
How about the story of twins who can know their twins from far away?
Well, you can read what enemy's move as you can learn it from experience and knowing your enemy is part of strategy, so it's not really ESP
Posted 9/3/09
I never knew psychology supports ESP, last time I heard it was completely subjective even in my psychology classes. My teacher thought it was bullshit though. -_-
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Not to mention science can't always be right, there will always be something out there the human race hasn't yet seen, heard or touched.
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Posted 9/6/09
Well believe it just like various psychic abilities exist . Not so sure one can trained to us esp though.
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Psychology isn't a "scientific" field by any means. It has multiple theories to explain behavior and lacks consensus among its practitioners.
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The brain can only react to touch, smell, sound, sight or taste.
If a child was born without any off these senses, they would have next to no brain activity.
This is proven in physics and biology.

Also, the only way that someone can read something in someone else's mind, or feel anything outside of their body, they would have to be able to emit and sense radiation set at their own wavelength.
Human bodies are not designed to pick up radiation, thats why we invented the radio and the tv, and wireless and blue-tooth
because our bodies cant pick up tv signals, nor can they receive radiation from other people undetectable by technology.













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Posted 9/15/09

leviathan343 wrote:

Psychology isn't a "scientific" field by any means. It has multiple theories to explain behavior and lacks consensus among its practitioners.


it's 2/3 scientific and 1/3 philosphical. It deals a lot with the scientific method, such as behavior. but the abstract studies have to rely on philosophy. But it is a scientific field. And a serious profession.They use experiements as well as biology and physics. all of these deal with the nature of behavior. its just not 100% scientific because u cant prove things like "existence" and "phyche" peace over war
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leviathan343 wrote:

Psychology isn't a "scientific" field by any means. It has multiple theories to explain behavior and lacks consensus among its practitioners.


Not sure if I agree with this. I would say it is scientific if studies are carried out with scientific rigour, eg. setting up controlled experiments to test theories (though admittedly it's a lot harder to control all variables in a psychology experiment than, say, a physics experiment.)

Just because there are multiple theories and no consensus it doesn't mean psychology is not a science. IIRC there was once a debate in physics as to whether light was a wave or a particle, there are multiple interpretations of quantum mechanics, multiple theories as to how the moon formed etc. (these are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.) Really, isn't that what science is about - multiple theories formed and over time the one that best explains the observations comes out on top?

In answer to the OP, I don't think we can say for certain that ESP doesn't exist. IMHO there is a lot that science cannot explain, and it is decidedly unscientific to dismiss something until it has been conclusively disproven.
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Sciense cant explain everything there are so many things out of our understanding.
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ooooooo An Interesting post!!! FINALLY LOL


Alright - I look at science and psychology through 2 views, research and medicine.

Firstly, we all know that we are wired with 5 basic senses. But, the human mind is 'plastic'. Its not rigid meaning that one person may have a very heightened sense of perception such as sound, while another may not. This is because the wiring in our brain (neurons) attributed to each one of the 5 basic senses varies from person to person. So, the 5 basic senses are specialized to each person.

However, what is interesting is that when people lose their limbs and lets say arms, what happens is sometimes that they can still feel that the limb is present. When the cheek of these individuals is stroked, the brain perceives this as sensation in the limb that is not present. This phenomenon is known as the phantom limb, and demonstrates that the mind is 'plastic' and the neurons that were utilized to perceive the sensation of touch, are now re-wired.

Although it is debated, it has been estimated that the average human uses roughly only 10-15% of their mental capacity at one time. This perhaps means that 85-90% of mental capacity is 'untapped'. So, ESP is certainly plausible and the mind can of course be conditioned. There are people who train their minds not to perceive pain when they walk on fire, lie on a bed of nails, lift excessive weights, etc. So, ESP can be developed with training.
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