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Lately I've noticed that people want more civil freedom and don't want the government to regulate them like parents would. In example, the War on Drugs. I'm not going to pose my opinion here because it might pose a criteria but I would like to see some of yours. I'll research more detail on the subject but I just want to put this situation up for awareness.
Posted 1/28/10 , edited 1/28/10
I have a feeling this might be just an unseen duplicate but whatever.

I believe in anarchy, but I think it's too late for those who don't live in places where anarchy reigns (are there even any countries like that??) Basically, I believe in letting what happens happen. So I don't like/dislike government authority. I just don't care.
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Posted 1/28/10

crunchypibb wrote:

Lately I've noticed that people want more civil freedom and don't want the government to regulate them like parents would. In example, the War on Drugs. I'm not going to pose my opinion here because it might pose a criteria but I would like to see some of yours. I'll research more detail on the subject but I just want to put this situation up for awareness.



First the war on drug creates more crime, and cost us more money to protect us from something it creates.
As are forefathers said, small government is needed to limit corruption, The larger government gets the more corrupt, and less freedoms we will have.

I am no sheep I do not wish to be lead to a field to graze away till they need my wool. I am a wolf I band together with my friends to create something worth wile, with no need of a overlord like character dictating what I should and should not do.

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Which perspective should we answer the question from? From the subjective perspective or the broader societal perspective? So in other words, does the question pertain to 'what would be good for society?' or 'what would be good for me'?
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It is too much and too dangerous a thing for an artificial entity to have for any length of time.
I'm certain Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton, Henry, and others all had the best of intentions to provide a small government dedicated to the preservation of liberty for their decedents and 10 to 100 generations of unborn children.
But why let government have such power in the first place?

Law Enforcement:
Anybody who has read my previous CR entries knows my thoughts of these hired attack dogs. But why do they exist?
1807 saw the birth of the first city police in Richmond VA. The Constitution does not prohibit the creation of a police force, but we can see today what police do. They extort, lie, cheat, steal, and even outright murder. Worse, even in the moment of violence, they're not held responsible for the lack of action for any lost of Life, Liberty, or Property.

Money:
Due to the good doctor, TX congressman Ron Paul, this subject can be debated with a better understanding. How hard is it to understand economics 101? For government... very hard. Gold and silver are money due to their scarcity, and the actual labor
needed to obtain more.
Say for example in your town the only thing to be bought and sold is rum. Their are only 100 bottles of rum, and their are only 100 silver dollars, the ratio of rum and silver is 1-1. So ever bottle of rum is 1 dollar.
The next year 200 bottles of rum exist, but still only 100 dollars of silver exist. The price of rum has to go down by one half. The manufactures have to pay their employees, advertise, deliver, repair machinery, import sugar, etc etc...
The sooner they empty the stock of rum the sooner they can begin reproduction.
Why sell rum at 1 dollar when so much surplus exists?

Government exist with a different set of economic rules, that will fail in the long run.
Use the example above if every bottle of rum is one dollar, and government prints 100 dollars (ie The Federal Reserve) overnight, then every bottle now costs 2 dollars. New money exists and the price of goods must go up. Then the audacity of it all is the interest the new money has attached to it (if at all) is to be payed by a generation of unborn children.

Well if it works so well for government, why not for we peons? Because that would be counterfeiting.

Defense:
How is it that a government can assassinate democratically elected leaders, starts wars, occupy foreign lands, but at the same time forbid a 17 year old farm boy from buying a rifle?

In summery, government has too many arbitrary powers that rules in for itself.
I'd be happy to live in a voluntary anarchy society, as long as government would have no further involvement in my life.
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Molly_Monroe wrote:

I have a feeling this might be just an unseen duplicate but whatever.

I believe in anarchy, but I think it's too late for those who don't live in places where anarchy reigns (are there even any countries like that??) Basically, I believe in letting what happens happen. So I don't like/dislike government authority. I just don't care.


you are not anarchistic you are indifferent. there are many definitions but i'll just give you two

- Acting without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this.

-Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder

anarchy is often mistaken as a fight against authority, but anarchy has more to do with instigating change in social understanding and in social constraints. regardless of whether a system works or is failing, an anarchistic view point is to keep changing all structure so that its never static. only through change can you find out what systems work and what systems fail.
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i believe it is impossible for a community to exist which doesnt have order. no matter where one is, someone will be power hungry and establish order, making themselves the supreme leader. if a country does live without a governing body for a while, then it is easily conquered, for the people are not unified. once the group is conquered, a governing body will quickly be established. so for the guys up there ^^ who believe anarchy is the way to go, they are deeply mistaken.
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i believe it is impossible for a community to exist which doesnt have order. no matter where one is, someone will be power hungry and establish order, making themselves the supreme leader. if a country does live without a governing body for a while, then it is easily conquered, for the people are not unified. once the group is conquered, a governing body will quickly be established. so for the guys up there ^^ who believe anarchy is the way to go, they are deeply mistaken.



That is not true.. there have been documented tribes, and villages that had no leaders. They survived as a community working for a common goal for over 1000's of years. Well until there wiped out by other communities run by someone in charge.. because that set up leads to greed and hate, and so there you go. No leaders do work.. Its just there wiped out buy countries with leaders because giving people power over others is what leads to corruption.
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Virtuous1 wrote:

i believe it is impossible for a community to exist which doesnt have order. no matter where one is, someone will be power hungry and establish order, making themselves the supreme leader. if a country does live without a governing body for a while, then it is easily conquered, for the people are not unified. once the group is conquered, a governing body will quickly be established. so for the guys up there ^^ who believe anarchy is the way to go, they are deeply mistaken.



That is not true.. there have been documented tribes, and villages that had no leaders. They survived as a community working for a common goal for over 1000's of years. Well until there wiped out by other communities run by someone in charge.. because that set up leads to greed and hate, and so there you go. No leaders do work.. Its just there wiped out buy countries with leaders because giving people power over others is what leads to corruption.


i cant tell if ur agreeing or disagreeing with me
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Virtuous1 wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Virtuous1 wrote:

i believe it is impossible for a community to exist which doesnt have order. no matter where one is, someone will be power hungry and establish order, making themselves the supreme leader. if a country does live without a governing body for a while, then it is easily conquered, for the people are not unified. once the group is conquered, a governing body will quickly be established. so for the guys up there ^^ who believe anarchy is the way to go, they are deeply mistaken.



That is not true.. there have been documented tribes, and villages that had no leaders. They survived as a community working for a common goal for over 1000's of years. Well until there wiped out by other communities run by someone in charge.. because that set up leads to greed and hate, and so there you go. No leaders do work.. Its just there wiped out buy countries with leaders because giving people power over others is what leads to corruption.


i cant tell if ur agreeing or disagreeing with me
He means that natural order can very well exist among individuals, without an authority figure in a position of power to enforce order among others. A desire to power driven by greed and hatred can centralize itself onto a single entity, whereas the power to change resides within everyone naturally as the first order beyond any governing body; individuality.
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yea but he stated in his quote that they all eventually got overrun by another governing body. i stated that if a community without order will eventually get conquered by one which has order, so i thought he was agreeing with me. but theres one thing i dont get. dark phoenix said that the tribes survive by working together, wouldnt that be considered order? then i guess it depends on ones perspective of order. when i imagine a community without order or unity, every individual does everything by themself without working with one another, because if they do work with one another then one person has to be leading the teamwork. an alphamale always rises among the group.
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yea but he stated in his quote that they all eventually got overrun by another governing body. i stated that if a community without order will eventually get conquered by one which has order, so i thought he was agreeing with me. but theres one thing i dont get. dark phoenix said that the tribes survive by working together, wouldnt that be considered order? then i guess it depends on ones perspective of order. when i imagine a community without order or unity, every individual does everything by themself without working with one another, because if they do work with one another then one person has to be leading the teamwork. an alphamale always rises among the group.


No Only stating that a community without a controlling power / a overlord / Leader. Do not attempt aggressive acts like world domination, just want to live there lives in peace with there fellow man. Alpha male's do not always run the pack.. In many Native American cultures the ladies had higher ranking status than Alpha Males. Not because of there leader ship, but because of there respect for being life givers. In many earth worshiping tribes.. There was no leaders, everyone was equal, and all strive to survive as a team. Greed hate angry prejudice was alien to them, until the christian church ascended down upon them. Hunting them down in the name of there religion killing of them peace loving Pagan Bastards. (there all devil loving witches after all.)


For a group of people to live, work and survive.. A government or leaders are not needed. What is needed is team work as a community.
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