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Government paid Education vs paying for schooling one self.

Why or why not?

Can a country like America have a education system that allows anyone who wants to go to college go to school, without needing to pay for it. Is this possible to be 100% government funded?

why or why not?

Witch would be more beneficial for the government and the people?
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Not everybody is suited for colledge. In my country anybody can go to colledge for free, up to Ma. Ph. D. costs lots of money, like everywhere else. So in my country we have lot of people with high education and no jobs, so they work in other countries where higher education is expensive, and they need experts. And it also happens that people whit high school diploma have good positions, because they worked on their career while working, and those uneducated people have higher position then experts. Which leads to collapse, because they have experience, but no knowledge, and vice versa.
So, I think that not only colleges should cost a lot, and be available only to people who really need them or want higher education, I also think that number of students for humanities should be lessened, since after you finished those classes in the world today, there is nothing you can do with it. Nothing productive, at least.
Experts are always needed, but ground workers are the ones who move the world. To explained it better: without doctors, there would be more dead people, but without farmers, we would all die.
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If college were free then I'm sure many more people would go. But it would be an extreme financial burden on the government, and that money would be better spent on improving primary and secondary education standards. In 4 years of high school I haven't learned a single thing outside of math and AP courses, mainly because everything I'm taught is something that I already learned in middle school, or because I learned it from talking to people on this forum and other forums. Even worse, my high school is the most prestigious in my district and is widely recognized across the nation as being a great public school.

IMO college doesn't really need to be free, if you're academic record is good enough then you won't have to pay for little or nothing. And usually the people who have that kind of record are the only ones good enough to make it through to the end.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:

If college were free then I'm sure many more people would go. But it would be an extreme financial burden on the government, and that money would be better spent on improving primary and secondary education standards. In 4 years of high school I haven't learned a single thing outside of math and AP courses, mainly because everything I'm taught is something that I already learned in middle school, or because I learned it from talking to people on this forum and other forums. Even worse, my high school is the most prestigious in my district and is widely recognized across the nation as being a great public school.

IMO college doesn't really need to be free, if you're academic record is good enough then you won't have to pay for little or nothing. And usually the people who have that kind of record are the only ones good enough to make it through to the end
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Not true at all.

I made it through 8 years of metallurgical science with a 3.8 GPA . Yet I was ranked a little lower than average in my high school. Mostly do to my English classes.
I find people who doing something they want to do, learn faster and score higher than kids that had better grade in high school but taking little to no interest in the college classes.

I did not get no help paying for schooling, not from family or from scholarships. I will be paying my college bills back for the next 40 years or more. Yet in college I was ranked 2nd in my class.


So I my self can not agree with what you said that I marked in red.


You find that around 40% of the people in most large colleges that drop out is do to lack of funding to pay for the classes.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

If college were free then I'm sure many more people would go. But it would be an extreme financial burden on the government, and that money would be better spent on improving primary and secondary education standards. In 4 years of high school I haven't learned a single thing outside of math and AP courses, mainly because everything I'm taught is something that I already learned in middle school, or because I learned it from talking to people on this forum and other forums. Even worse, my high school is the most prestigious in my district and is widely recognized across the nation as being a great public school.

IMO college doesn't really need to be free, if you're academic record is good enough then you won't have to pay for little or nothing. And usually the people who have that kind of record are the only ones good enough to make it through to the end
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Not true at all.

I made it through 8 years of metallurgical science with a 3.8 GPA . Yet I was ranked a little lower than average in my high school. Mostly do to my English classes.
I find people who doing something they want to do, learn faster and score higher than kids that had better grade in high school but taking little to no interest in the college classes.

I did not get no help paying for schooling, not from family or from scholarships. I will be paying my college bills back for the next 40 years or more. Yet in college I was ranked 2nd in my class.


So I my self can not agree with what you said that I marked in red.


You find that around 40% of the people in most large colleges that drop out is do to lack of funding to pay for the classes.


It depends on what school you go to, what major you're pursuing, and how much financial aid you need. I only have a 3.2 GPA, but with just that and the fact that I can't pay anything up front, I've already received full-ride opportunities from several colleges. There's plenty of cheap open-admission schools that anyone with a GPA of 3.0+ can get into without paying much, or anything at all. But they aren't the greatest schools and only offer up to a bachelor's degree.

Getting into college is cheap and easy, getting into a good college is expensive and difficult. But any form of higher education is better than a high school diploma.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

If college were free then I'm sure many more people would go. But it would be an extreme financial burden on the government, and that money would be better spent on improving primary and secondary education standards. In 4 years of high school I haven't learned a single thing outside of math and AP courses, mainly because everything I'm taught is something that I already learned in middle school, or because I learned it from talking to people on this forum and other forums. Even worse, my high school is the most prestigious in my district and is widely recognized across the nation as being a great public school.

IMO college doesn't really need to be free, if you're academic record is good enough then you won't have to pay for little or nothing. And usually the people who have that kind of record are the only ones good enough to make it through to the end
.


Not true at all.

I made it through 8 years of metallurgical science with a 3.8 GPA . Yet I was ranked a little lower than average in my high school. Mostly do to my English classes.
I find people who doing something they want to do, learn faster and score higher than kids that had better grade in high school but taking little to no interest in the college classes.

I did not get no help paying for schooling, not from family or from scholarships. I will be paying my college bills back for the next 40 years or more. Yet in college I was ranked 2nd in my class.


So I my self can not agree with what you said that I marked in red.


You find that around 40% of the people in most large colleges that drop out is do to lack of funding to pay for the classes.


It depends on what school you go to, what major you're pursuing, and how much financial aid you need. I only have a 3.2 GPA, but with just that and the fact that I can't pay anything up front, I've already received full-ride opportunities from several colleges. There's plenty of cheap open-admission schools that anyone with a GPA of 3.0+ can get into without paying much, or anything at all. But they aren't the greatest schools and only offer up to a bachelor's degree.

Getting into college is cheap and easy, getting into a good college is expensive and difficult. But any form of higher education is better than a high school diploma.


Yes but I had a C ranking in high school so I did not of have the luck of getting anything paid for. I had to work my ass off just to get in the door, then fight every year just to find funding to go to school. So do you really think people who sucked at English, or history should not be able to have a chance at being what they want to be. (history was a good topic for me, but yes I have failed English once or twice.)
And yet do to getting the chance I proved my self just like another scientist did in the past, By getting through that college 2nd in my class.

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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

You find that around 40% of the people in most large colleges that drop out is do to lack of funding to pay for the classes.


Those people bring that on themselves. When my mother announced she wouldn’t pay to send me through college I thought I was screwed. I’m an unemployed high school dropout. But, I refused to let go of my dream to be a legislator and help change the world for the better. So, I got my GED and went anyway. Now, in addition to thousands of dollars in subsidized and unsubsidized loans I’ve earned myself thousands of dollars in scholarships. After paying for my classes and books I always have at least two thousand left over. I either save this up, spend to go on mission trips, or use it to help pay bills around the house.

It's not hard...people just work really hard to try not to work. At least, that's true of the US.

This being said, I have no hope of going to...say, Harvard. I think that this may be where many students make their mistake. They chose an unrealistically high quality and thus high priced school and only later realize: wait, what was I thinking again?
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

You find that around 40% of the people in most large colleges that drop out is do to lack of funding to pay for the classes.


Those people bring that on themselves. When my mother announce she wouldn’t pay to send me through college I thought I was screwed. I’m an unemployed high school dropout. But, I refused to let go of my dream to be a legislator and help change the world for the better. So, I got my GED and went anyway. Now, in addition to thousands of dollars in subsidized and unsubsidized loans I’ve earned myself thousands of dollars in scholarships. After paying for my classes and books I always have at least two thousand left over. I either save this up, spend to go on mission trips, or use it to help pay bills around the house.

It's not hard...people just work really hard to try not to work. At least, that's true of the US.


Was it for a 2 year technical school?
I was thinking about taking engineering in a 2 year technical school once I get on my feet for two years or so.
More skills the better.

I picked a school that had the job skills I wanted. 8 year course. And it was the only one I found even within 300 miles of me.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
Was it for a 2 year technical school?
I was thinking about taking engineering in a 2 year technical school once I get on my feet for two years or so.
More skills the better.


It’s a two year university, I chose it because it’s cheap. But what this university has done for me is allow me to get into Phi Theta Kappa, the national honor society for two year universities. And so when I switch to a four year school Phi Theta Kappa will actually help to pay for it and I'll be getting even MORE money.
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SeraphAlford wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
Was it for a 2 year technical school?
I was thinking about taking engineering in a 2 year technical school once I get on my feet for two years or so.
More skills the better.


It’s a two year university, I chose it because it’s cheap. But what this university has done for me is allow me to get into Phi Theta Kappa, the national honor society for two year universities. And so when I switch to a four year school Phi Theta Kappa will actually help to pay for it and I'll be getting even MORE money.


I have already did 8 years of metallurgy, so I am hoping I start making the big bucks, because college bills are do, and there an arm and a leg to pay for. 8 years of loans god what was I thinking.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:
Was it for a 2 year technical school?
I was thinking about taking engineering in a 2 year technical school once I get on my feet for two years or so.
More skills the better.


It’s a two year university, I chose it because it’s cheap. But what this university has done for me is allow me to get into Phi Theta Kappa, the national honor society for two year universities. And so when I switch to a four year school Phi Theta Kappa will actually help to pay for it and I'll be getting even MORE money.


I have already did 8 years of metallurgy, so I am hoping I start making the big bucks, because college bills are do, and there an arm and a leg to pay for. 8 years of loans god what was I thinking.


I'll pray for you, buddy...wait, are you an atheist? Grr! I can’t keep track of all you people and your odd religious beliefs…or lack thereof. I think you should all stop being so difficult and just conform so I can offer prayers without feeling like an ass jack. :p Joking, of course. But anyway, hope it works out for you. Yeah, I’m 10k in the hole right now and it scares the heck out of me. I'm in political science...what if my good looks don't last long enough to run for election?
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Darkphoenix3450

Yes but I had a C ranking in high school so I did not of have the luck of getting anything paid for. I had to work my ass off just to get in the door, then fight every year just to find funding to go to school. So do you really think people who sucked at English, or history should not be able to have a chance at being what they want to be. (history was a good topic for me, but yes I have failed English once or twice.)
And yet do to getting the chance I proved my self just like another scientist did in the past, By getting through that college 2nd in my class.



Well you may be a special case. I highly doubt that most people who screw around in high school and get a C average or less would do very well in college. Even I put in very little effort at my school, which is (supposedly) one of the most rigorous public high schools in the country, and I manage to get mostly B's with a few A's and a couple of C's. Most kids I know who aren't doing as well as me academically could be doing just as good or even better than me if they did simple things like pay attention in class and do the work, but they don't, which shows that they don't care about their education and wouldn't do well in college if it were free. I realize that getting a 3.0+ average is not easy for everyone (it is for me though, and I'm not exactly a child prodigy), but if they really care about their education then they should be able to achieve that, and only those who really care about their education will succeed in college.
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I think that kids should pay for their own college education, because it gives them soething important to work for. If they only had to earn money to live, then they wouldn't work nearly as hard to earn money. It's seen a lot: a high school kid working hard at something to work their way through college. On that train of thought, college students are some very hard workers due to how expensive college is. The better the worker, the better the profit for the place that they work, the better the place that they work can get College is just another little wonder of our free market economy. Also, only the people that are willing to work hard for an education even deserve to go to college. In the flow, the best hard working people have college education that they can use to really help our economy.
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