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Why do you think Communism is good or bad?
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Is Communism really that bad? People in the United States have been putting down Communism for a while, so I decided to look at Communism in a different way; showing that Communism can in fact be a better idea than Capitalism.

First of all, in a communist regime, people are all equal to each other no matter how educated that person is. For example - a Surgeon who is very well educated is equal in status with a peasant farmer because in communism there is no such thing as lower class, middle class and upper class. Eliminating economic boundaries which separate people, benefits the whole society because when we eliminate the have and have not, there will be no need for people to go out and steal which in effect will get rid of crime all together.

Secondly, in a Communist economic system people are never unemployed because the government owns the means of production. This means the governments owns all the factories and stores because there is no private owner ship in a Communist system. This is good because the government can control and decide what is needed for the good of society and produce it. Another reason why Communism is a good idea is because everyone in the country is provided with a job, house and food; no one is denied the essentials of life.

People in Capitalist societies have a warped sense of how they should be living. They always want to be better than the next person. I don’t see why it has to be like this and with Communism, it doesn’t have to be like this. I believe that if we want to have a true Communistic society, we need to change that idea of thinking.

Capitalism isn’t generous like Communism can be. For example, in Capitalism, if you lose your job, you are given no other chances. You can be put on the street and nobody would notice. Nobody cares about anyone else in a Capitalistic society and I believe that is wrong.

Capitalism is a poor way to administer an economic system. First of all, in a Capitalistic society, there is no equality. People are broken down into groups. Such as upper class, lower class and middle class. So if you are born into a family that is in the lower class, you will have a very tough time succeeding in life. If you are born into an upper class family, it is much easier to get an education and get a well paying job. Depending how much money you make; you will be seen differently in the eyes of the Capitalist government. If you are poor, you have no influence in a Capitalist government and if you are in the upper class, you have influence.

What do you think?
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I am not communist, but i consider communism better than capitalism.
It is a more fair view of society, that combined with environmentalism is perfect.
But it is hard to manage, and this is why we had or have communist dictators.
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Sure,capitalism does have its flaws.But most people aren't happy with a communist regime.Quality of life is poor and freedom is limited.And if everyone was equal,no one would be motivated to strive for the future.Because you'll be paid the same.Society would eventually degrade and the system would collapse.
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DYxForever wrote:

Sure,capitalism does have its flaws.But most people aren't happy with a communist regime.Quality of life is poor and freedom is limited.And if everyone was equal,no one would be motivated to strive for the future.Because you'll be paid the same.Society would eventually degrade and the system would collapse.


I totally agree. People just stop caring and trying hard to become someone, because they will get money anyway. Communism can't survive on it's own for too long, because it ruins country's economy. Just look at how devasteted were the eastern european countries because of Communism.
Also, I don't think you can consider the work and effort doctor has to put in his job with that of, let's say, a postman or something. It takes so much more studying, hard working, and stresss to be a doctor. So I think that it's just for a doctor to earn more.
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aurilcia wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

Sure,capitalism does have its flaws.But most people aren't happy with a communist regime.Quality of life is poor and freedom is limited.And if everyone was equal,no one would be motivated to strive for the future.Because you'll be paid the same.Society would eventually degrade and the system would collapse.


I totally agree. People just stop caring and trying hard to become someone, because they will get money anyway. Communism can't survive on it's own for too long, because it ruins country's economy. Just look at how devasteted were the eastern european countries because of Communism.
Also, I don't think you can consider the work and effort doctor has to put in his job with that of, let's say, a postman or something. It takes so much more studying, hard working, and stresss to be a doctor. So I think that it's just for a doctor to earn more.


I am not looking for a fight or anything, but for example, like someone already mentioned about a farmer. If you'd compare these two, I think it's equal to each other. A doctor indeed doesn't have it easy. He's helping, saving, supporting people. But, a farmer doesn't have it easy too.

They have to work their asses off. Some of them are rich enough to afford a machine to do all the work, but some are still doing it with their hands. Waking up at 5 AM to milk the cows isn't that funny, nor is cleaning all the shit which comes from those animals a great thing to do. Also, while a Farmer is saving people too from starvation; they don't get payed a lot. A doctor can just relax and some of them are taking advantage of it and get payed a lot.

And, if my english is somehow reaping or you don't understand what I am talking about. Just leave it ;).
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aurilcia wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

Sure,capitalism does have its flaws.But most people aren't happy with a communist regime.Quality of life is poor and freedom is limited.And if everyone was equal,no one would be motivated to strive for the future.Because you'll be paid the same.Society would eventually degrade and the system would collapse.


I totally agree. People just stop caring and trying hard to become someone, because they will get money anyway. Communism can't survive on it's own for too long, because it ruins country's economy. Just look at how devasteted were the eastern european countries because of Communism.
Also, I don't think you can consider the work and effort doctor has to put in his job with that of, let's say, a postman or something. It takes so much more studying, hard working, and stresss to be a doctor. So I think that it's just for a doctor to earn more.


I am not looking for a fight or anything, but for example, like someone already mentioned about a farmer. If you'd compare these two, I think it's equal to each other. A doctor indeed doesn't have it easy. He's helping, saving, supporting people. But, a farmer doesn't have it easy too.

They have to work their asses off. Some of them are rich enough to afford a machine to do all the work, but some are still doing it with their hands. Waking up at 5 AM to milk the cows isn't that funny, nor is cleaning all the shit which comes from those animals a great thing to do. Also, while a Farmer is saving people too from starvation; they don't get payed a lot. A doctor can just relax and some of them are taking advantage of it and get payed a lot.

And, if my english is somehow reaping or you don't understand what I am talking about. Just leave it ;).


I know how farmer's life looks, because my father was a farmer when we still lived in Poland, so I know what's going with that. And while I have a great respect for farmers, because they do keep us from starvation, I still think that, basically studying your whole life, and all the stress in doctor's job, after all one mistake may lead to someone's death, so I don't put doctr's job equally to a postman, as I said in my previous post. Neither I think that farmer's job and salesman's job can be compared as equal.
Besides I know some doctors privately, and their job is not as laid back as you might think. They stay in the hospital for most of the day, they have to work during holidays and have to immidieately respond to emergencys, no matter where they are and what they do.

My point is that not all the jobs are the same, so everyone having equal pay no matter what they do would be really unjust.

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True, I couldn't agree more about what you are trying to get across me. I understand what you are talking about. ;).
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In theory? YAY! In reality? F*ck off. And no, people are not equal, because..well people are not equal. Look at what happened in Eastern Europe when the Soviets didn't want to leave, and started to eliminate all the intellectuals, and lock up people who disagreed with the regime for which nobody asked for.

It only opens the path for the bad and hidden characteristics of human nature. People who glorify communism are..well...naive. It's like those stupid environmentalists today who are trying to push their stupid "Save the planet" down our throat at the expense of being exposed to health hazards, and having a limited freedom. People who have not enough freedom will not develop..no they will only degrade and become lazy ass-sucking arseholes.

Edit: PS...everybody can become a farmer, can clean their toilets, but not everybody is made to become a doctor, a musician, an artist, etc.
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Are you Fisting me? Call the men in white coats already! The Communist Manifesto dictates 10 planks to a perfect communist country. Now let's see how well this relates to America

1. "Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes."
This contradicts the 5th Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution where it says "Life Liberty or Property shall not be deprived without due process of law"
If your life is not your property, what are you? A Slave
If you don't own your Liberties, what are you? A Slave
If you don't own property, what are you? Poor

2. "A heavy progressive or graduated income tax."
We call this one the 16th Amendment. Explane to me how America functioned so well before we had an Income tax in 1913?
Whip out your calculator and figure this out. The more you make the more the Government takes. Do you like being punished for being productive?

3. "Abolition of all right of inheritance."
If I want to leave my belongings to my children, because I want to pass on to them my stuff so they won't have to work so hard in the future, can I do that? Well yeah, It's my property, I can do with it whatever I want.

4. "Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels."
If you want to leave the country and live else where, the Government says "Bye Bye! Leave your stuff here. It's our now."
Why? What did they do to earn your property? Nothing.

5. "Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly."
This is the Federal Reserve, which has debased our currency by 95% (or more) since it's creation by Congress. When at one time, it only took one person to work and bring home a paycheck, it now requires two jobs to raise one family. Whereas government can print the money as if it were going out of style and even fund years of wars, welfare states, and since they don't have to work for it, they don't respond to market signals, and cut back when they're in debt.

6. "Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State."
DOT, FAA, FCC and all those other agencies that blatantly infringe upon the 1st Amendment, and your right of travel/freedom of movement.

7. "Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan."
Where Government doesn't own anything but rather Controls/subsidizes everything with no regard of who the original owner is, or even the consequences of interference

8. "Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture."
Minimum Wage and slave labor… You know like in China, our Most Favored Nation trade partner. Can you figure out why we are partnered with communists?

9. "Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country."
Can anyone say "forced relocating/sterilization programs", you know, like in China?

10. "Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production."
Prior to 1951 The USA was the smartest nation in the world in the studies of Math and Science, with Russia in a distant second place.With The Department of Education in 1952 we have lowered our education standards to being 23rd place since 2001, and that was if your children could count that high.
We have 50 years of hind-sight. Is Free Government Education working? Well no.

We don't hate communism because they wave a red flag and people march funny in parades. We hate it because it's evil! Nobody owns anything and government controls everything!

Speaking of which notice how we already have all 10 items described in the Manifesto in America?
Did you know we live in a Communist country? Ever give pause for thought why things are so screwed up the way they are now?
Food for thought.
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aurilcia wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


aurilcia wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

Sure,capitalism does have its flaws.But most people aren't happy with a communist regime.Quality of life is poor and freedom is limited.And if everyone was equal,no one would be motivated to strive for the future.Because you'll be paid the same.Society would eventually degrade and the system would collapse.


I totally agree. People just stop caring and trying hard to become someone, because they will get money anyway. Communism can't survive on it's own for too long, because it ruins country's economy. Just look at how devasteted were the eastern european countries because of Communism.
Also, I don't think you can consider the work and effort doctor has to put in his job with that of, let's say, a postman or something. It takes so much more studying, hard working, and stresss to be a doctor. So I think that it's just for a doctor to earn more.


I am not looking for a fight or anything, but for example, like someone already mentioned about a farmer. If you'd compare these two, I think it's equal to each other. A doctor indeed doesn't have it easy. He's helping, saving, supporting people. But, a farmer doesn't have it easy too.

They have to work their asses off. Some of them are rich enough to afford a machine to do all the work, but some are still doing it with their hands. Waking up at 5 AM to milk the cows isn't that funny, nor is cleaning all the shit which comes from those animals a great thing to do. Also, while a Farmer is saving people too from starvation; they don't get payed a lot. A doctor can just relax and some of them are taking advantage of it and get payed a lot.

And, if my english is somehow reaping or you don't understand what I am talking about. Just leave it ;).


I know how farmer's life looks, because my father was a farmer when we still lived in Poland, so I know what's going with that. And while I have a great respect for farmers, because they do keep us from starvation, I still think that, basically studying your whole life, and all the stress in doctor's job, after all one mistake may lead to someone's death, so I don't put doctr's job equally to a postman, as I said in my previous post. Neither I think that farmer's job and salesman's job can be compared as equal.
Besides I know some doctors privately, and their job is not as laid back as you might think. They stay in the hospital for most of the day, they have to work during holidays and have to immidieately respond to emergencys, no matter where they are and what they do.

My point is that not all the jobs are the same, so everyone having equal pay no matter what they do would be really unjust.



Do you think a football player should make more money than a welder? Welders job is just as harmful to the body, and in times more harmful to you than playing football, so why should foot ball players get paid more?

I like idea of people getting paid the same, for one it promotes people to go after a job they like over what the pay is going to be.
I have friends that would rather be a farmer over a office worker, but he will make 4 times more in his cube so he sticks to the office he hate so much over working the land. People he love the idea of saving peoples lives and love the job would be doctors no matter if the pay is the same as a bartender. Why because they like the job. I rather be an Metal Artist again, but I get paid more for being a Metallurgist, and I have bills to pay. It also make tax a lot more easy to manage. (everyone then truly will be equals. From Bartenders to race car drivers.) Allow you to do what you wanna do, without having to take money as the main factor for your choices, fun or goals can have a deeper affect on your decisions instead.

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aurilcia wrote:


Baka-God wrote:


aurilcia wrote:


DYxForever wrote:

Sure,capitalism does have its flaws.But most people aren't happy with a communist regime.Quality of life is poor and freedom is limited.And if everyone was equal,no one would be motivated to strive for the future.Because you'll be paid the same.Society would eventually degrade and the system would collapse.


I totally agree. People just stop caring and trying hard to become someone, because they will get money anyway. Communism can't survive on it's own for too long, because it ruins country's economy. Just look at how devasteted were the eastern european countries because of Communism.
Also, I don't think you can consider the work and effort doctor has to put in his job with that of, let's say, a postman or something. It takes so much more studying, hard working, and stresss to be a doctor. So I think that it's just for a doctor to earn more.


I am not looking for a fight or anything, but for example, like someone already mentioned about a farmer. If you'd compare these two, I think it's equal to each other. A doctor indeed doesn't have it easy. He's helping, saving, supporting people. But, a farmer doesn't have it easy too.

They have to work their asses off. Some of them are rich enough to afford a machine to do all the work, but some are still doing it with their hands. Waking up at 5 AM to milk the cows isn't that funny, nor is cleaning all the shit which comes from those animals a great thing to do. Also, while a Farmer is saving people too from starvation; they don't get payed a lot. A doctor can just relax and some of them are taking advantage of it and get payed a lot.

And, if my english is somehow reaping or you don't understand what I am talking about. Just leave it ;).


I know how farmer's life looks, because my father was a farmer when we still lived in Poland, so I know what's going with that. And while I have a great respect for farmers, because they do keep us from starvation, I still think that, basically studying your whole life, and all the stress in doctor's job, after all one mistake may lead to someone's death, so I don't put doctr's job equally to a postman, as I said in my previous post. Neither I think that farmer's job and salesman's job can be compared as equal.
Besides I know some doctors privately, and their job is not as laid back as you might think. They stay in the hospital for most of the day, they have to work during holidays and have to immidieately respond to emergencys, no matter where they are and what they do.

My point is that not all the jobs are the same, so everyone having equal pay no matter what they do would be really unjust.



Do you think a football player should make more money than a welder? Welders job is just as harmful to the body, and in times more harmful to you than playing football, so why should foot ball players get paid more?

I like idea of people getting paid the same, for one it promotes people to go after a job they like over what the pay is going to be.
I have friends that would rather be a farmer over a office worker, but he will make 4 times more in his cube so he sticks to the office he hate so much over working the land. People he love the idea of saving peoples lives and love the job would be doctors no matter if the pay is the same as a bartender. Why because they like the job. I rather be an Metal Artist again, but I get paid more for being a Metallurgist, and I have bills to pay. It also make tax a lot more easy to manage. (everyone then truly will be equals. From Bartenders to race car drivers.) Allow you to do what you wanna do, without having to take money as the main factor for your choices, fun or goals can have a deeper affect on your decisions instead.



this is where I have to agree with you dark, I mean come on look at teachers and there low amount of money that they make compared to some Hollywood actors that have probably never worked a hard day in there in entire life and get payed up in the millions for it. I think that it's bull shit that the educators and manual labors of the country actually get payed next to nothing while performers get payed nice and for really doing nothing >.> but keeping us entertained
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Actually I think it's fair that you get paid what someone is willing to pay you. Hollywood actors get so much money because WE love them and WE want to see them in movies, so producers pay them more, everyone benefits from this, and everyone is happy. I think that it would be unjust if someone that doesn't even know you tells you how much you should be earning. I know that it seems like equality, but after you think about it little longer, it's basically taking away your freedom to decide.

Also, if everyone earn's equally, than people loose motivation to evolve, because they will get paid the same no matter what they do.
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Communism is destructive and not plausible. First of all humans are not equal in a communist system and government has an unhealthy role. When I say people aren't equal I am talking about the government. Government officials and those in government positions are valued far higher than anyone in society. Government should be servants to the people, not people being servants to the government. Communism restricts personal freedom and dictates to citizens what is acceptable by their standards. Power corrupts, and in communism there is more power to the government over your personal, economic, religious, and basically any other aspect of your life. An equal pay system is also very destructive. Why should a janitor make the same amount of money as a brain surgeon? Why should a business grunt make as much as his CEO? Why try and succeed if their is no reward? Is it necessarily fair that each person makes as much as his neighbor? And in all honesty, does this really remove social boundaries and classes? All it does is oppress citizens and breed laziness while tanking the quality of life in that country. Communism is a bad idea and arguable one of the worst (or THE worst) form of human government.
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every government has its pros and cons. It just depends on who is leading it
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Actually I think it's fair that you get paid what someone is willing to pay you. Hollywood actors get so much money because WE love them and WE want to see them in movies, so producers pay them more, everyone benefits from this, and everyone is happy. I think that it would be unjust if someone that doesn't even know you tells you how much you should be earning. I know that it seems like equality, but after you think about it little longer, it's basically taking away your freedom to decide.

Also, if everyone earn's equally, than people loose motivation to evolve, because they will get paid the same no matter what they do.


"Not true at all I had a job wear I was getting paid little to nothing yet I was happy and willing to work even 15 hours a day! Just because I loved my job. it was something I had fun doing. "
I get paid a lot more now being that I work under-contract for the government working on Smart Metals (that is all I can say). But tell you the truth I give it all up if it was possible to make a living doing what I love doing for work. But I sacrificed my passion for a better paying job.
If money was not a issue I be a more happy person, and will be more than willing to work even harder doing something I love. Just because I love doing it.
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