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it could never exist due to human greed
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it could never exist due to human greed
Human greed is created by are society, By changing what is important in are world/reality/society we change a person reaction to certain devices/stimulation, Hence human greed is only the by product of are teaching and life style. But it does not need to be so.. And so your opinion on it never working do to the greed factor, is false... do to the fact we can change a person motivation away from the greed factor. One way it to remove money of any type all to gather and create a system of equality, Or community system where everyone strives together and make decisions together.
Communism is not perfect but capitalism, and democracy is not perfect as well. So to take what works from them and create something using what works from them and remove what does not is the best thing for us.. Removing currency is a good Idea as well.

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LemonyPanda wrote:

it could never exist due to human greed
Human greed is created by are society, By changing what is important in are world/reality/society we change a person reaction to certain devices/stimulation, Hence human greed is only the by product of are teaching and life style. But it does not need to be so.. And so your opinion on it never working do to the greed factor, is false... do to the fact we can change a person motivation away from the greed factor. One way it to remove money of any type all to gather and create a system of equality, Or community system where everyone strives together and make decisions together.
Communism is not perfect but capitalism, and democracy is not perfect as well. So to take what works from them and create something using what works from them and remove what does not is the best thing for us.. Removing currency is a good Idea as well.



no...no...you're not thinking properly as usual. You only think of one factor you fail to see the big picture.

greed and jealousy is human nature. Even before currency was invented, there were other commodities such as food or women. You see someone eating a delicious hunk of meat, you want some too. You see someone fucking your wife, you get jealous. When tribes conquered other tribes, they collected the women and the food.

Striving for more than what we have, is what makes us different from other animals, and it does not necessarily have to do with material goods either. You can want to become a better, dancer, a better a better singer, or even a better person overall. Wanting more than what we have is human nature, just like how I want you to stop quoting me when you're going to have something stupid to say as usual
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:

it could never exist due to human greed
Human greed is created by are society, By changing what is important in are world/reality/society we change a person reaction to certain devices/stimulation, Hence human greed is only the by product of are teaching and life style. But it does not need to be so.. And so your opinion on it never working do to the greed factor, is false... do to the fact we can change a person motivation away from the greed factor. One way it to remove money of any type all to gather and create a system of equality, Or community system where everyone strives together and make decisions together.
Communism is not perfect but capitalism, and democracy is not perfect as well. So to take what works from them and create something using what works from them and remove what does not is the best thing for us.. Removing currency is a good Idea as well.



no...no...you're not thinking properly as usual. You only think of one factor you fail to see the big picture.

greed and jealousy is human nature. Even before currency was invented, there were other commodities such as food or women. You see someone eating a delicious hunk of meat, you want some too. You see someone fucking your wife, you get jealous. When tribes conquered other tribes, they collected the women and the food.

Striving for more than what we have, is what makes us different from other animals, and it does not necessarily have to do with material goods either. You can want to become a better, dancer, a better a better singer, or even a better person overall. Wanting more than what we have is human nature, just like how I want you to stop quoting me when you're going to have something stupid to say as usual



Human nature? No you mistakes programed responses as human nature.

Humans are herd type animals we instinctively seek out fellow humans to live as a community. But greed is not part of that, that is something created later do to the society we created. (your limiting your understanding and self by thinking inside the box. that was created by your society.)
Reword system, striving to better one self.. striving to be better at ones work, striving to learn/or become better educated are pure goals, that have nothing to do with greed, or corruption and so again your opinion falls apart.
In a community where their is no one above the other their is no jealousy over stupid things like meat, because we all get it, no one is above anyone else.
Also your wrong about Jealousy wen it comes to matting habits. Their have been tribes where men and woman live together just fine where their was no wife, woman ran around fucking who ever they want and so did the men. that was the norm and so men did not get jealous of the other men over something so trivial as that to them.
Again your mistaking programed response as instinct.
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I may say that the French Revolution was the ideals of democracy put into practice, but it still is not the practice of Democracy, but a preversion, a mobocracy. Likewise, some government with no relation to said ideology uses its name, such as the 'Democratic Republic of Congo' or 'the Democratic People's Republic of Korea'. So, if it does not follow the ideas of the theory, and only goes about it in name, why should it be considered the practice of said theory? Orthodox Marxism requires that the PEOPLE owns the mean of production, as opposed to the state, and that the state, in granting the WORKERS these priviledges and making said means controlled by everyone, will cease to exist, seeing as they no longer have a function. The USSR, on the other, continues to prepetuate itself through totalitarianism and through ownership of the tools of production. In a sense, the USSR was just another form of Capitalism, the state being the company, and the people their workers.


The French revolution may have been a failure as regards transposing ideals into reality, but democracy demonstrated, overall, that it has a high success rate. Communism is an arbitrary creation of our species just like democracy. What it means has not been determined invariably and both the words communism and democracy only have their core meanings as indicative of what they mean, the rest is determined by us. So, the core definition of democracy comes from démos krátos, which simply means rule of the people. It doesn't say whether it is representative or participatory democracy, just democracy, so we consider both types to belong to the same group of governance.

Why are you speaking about the USSR in the present tense, if I may ask?
Posted 4/27/10 , edited 4/27/10

LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:

it could never exist due to human greed
Human greed is created by are society, By changing what is important in are world/reality/society we change a person reaction to certain devices/stimulation, Hence human greed is only the by product of are teaching and life style. But it does not need to be so.. And so your opinion on it never working do to the greed factor, is false... do to the fact we can change a person motivation away from the greed factor. One way it to remove money of any type all to gather and create a system of equality, Or community system where everyone strives together and make decisions together.
Communism is not perfect but capitalism, and democracy is not perfect as well. So to take what works from them and create something using what works from them and remove what does not is the best thing for us.. Removing currency is a good Idea as well.



no...no...you're not thinking properly as usual. You only think of one factor you fail to see the big picture.

greed and jealousy is human nature. Even before currency was invented, there were other commodities such as food or women. You see someone eating a delicious hunk of meat, you want some too. You see someone fucking your wife, you get jealous. When tribes conquered other tribes, they collected the women and the food.

Striving for more than what we have, is what makes us different from other animals, and it does not necessarily have to do with material goods either. You can want to become a better, dancer, a better a better singer, or even a better person overall. Wanting more than what we have is human nature, just like how I want you to stop quoting me when you're going to have something stupid to say as usual
I beg to differ, when you got the wrong idea about the nature of humanity as social animals. While you're confusing the social behaviors between "preservation of self" and "survival of the species".

For example, do you ever understand the nature of your own greed and jealousy? As in were you thinking of how others will think and feel about you, if they knew that you're greedy and jealous about them? Do you think that others will still accept you as one of their own when you wanted to pounce on them while nobody knows the wiser? If not, what's the next thing you should do in order for you to preserve yourself while you prey on others by you outmaneuvering them?

The answer: you disguise your true intention with misinformation, in order for you to lure your preys. That's the rationale based on "preservation of self" as an intrinsic motivator; anything you say or do is instinctively to misinform others as a means for self-preservation.

So what's self-recreation in the form of socializing through play, such as singing and dancing in order to better oneself and others, has anything to do with "misinform others as a means for self-preservation"? Furthermore, for you to just accusing others being stupid without proofs, can therefore be seen as a rationale under self-preservation; your wrong idea about the nature of humanity as something other than sociable, because you think everyone is just as selfish as you are.
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I think it's much better than any society we got going on now.

I highly recommend reading "Killing Hope" by William Blum to understand how the US has made sure no socialist state could succeed so far.

Eventually, when humans become more civilized, socialist states will be the only real option. If people want just, democratic, non-destructive societies, then socialism is the most obvious way to go. And it's very possible, but so far we've never had a true socialist state, so there's no model we can look to, thanks to the US.
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Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:

it could never exist due to human greed
Human greed is created by are society, By changing what is important in are world/reality/society we change a person reaction to certain devices/stimulation, Hence human greed is only the by product of are teaching and life style. But it does not need to be so.. And so your opinion on it never working do to the greed factor, is false... do to the fact we can change a person motivation away from the greed factor. One way it to remove money of any type all to gather and create a system of equality, Or community system where everyone strives together and make decisions together.
Communism is not perfect but capitalism, and democracy is not perfect as well. So to take what works from them and create something using what works from them and remove what does not is the best thing for us.. Removing currency is a good Idea as well.



no...no...you're not thinking properly as usual. You only think of one factor you fail to see the big picture.

greed and jealousy is human nature. Even before currency was invented, there were other commodities such as food or women. You see someone eating a delicious hunk of meat, you want some too. You see someone fucking your wife, you get jealous. When tribes conquered other tribes, they collected the women and the food.

Striving for more than what we have, is what makes us different from other animals, and it does not necessarily have to do with material goods either. You can want to become a better, dancer, a better a better singer, or even a better person overall. Wanting more than what we have is human nature, just like how I want you to stop quoting me when you're going to have something stupid to say as usual



Human nature? No you mistakes programed responses as human nature.

Humans are herd type animals we instinctively seek out fellow humans to live as a community. But greed is not part of that, that is something created later do to the society we created. (your limiting your understanding and self by thinking inside the box. that was created by your society.)
Reword system, striving to better one self.. striving to be better at ones work, striving to learn/or become better educated are pure goals, that have nothing to do with greed, or corruption and so again your opinion falls apart.
In a community where their is no one above the other their is no jealousy over stupid things like meat, because we all get it, no one is above anyone else.
Also your wrong about Jealousy wen it comes to matting habits. Their have been tribes where men and woman live together just fine where their was no wife, woman ran around fucking who ever they want and so did the men. that was the norm and so men did not get jealous of the other men over something so trivial as that to them.
Again your mistaking programed response as instinct.


no you don't understand what I'm saying. What I'm trying to say is greed is not necessarily bad. It is GOOD for people to have goals and whatnot, but what emotion do you feel when you're motivated to achieve that goal? You WANT to achieve that goal. Human emotions are so similar, yet so different at times, such as love and lust. Lusting is bad right? yet loving is good? That's what I mean.Greed doesn't necessarily have to deal with corruption.

I'm talking about warring tribes not conflicts within their own tribes. Why else would other tribes declare war on eachother? There haven't been big arguments regarding religion or ideals back then, so the only motivation was to kill and take what they had. Kind of like in the movie Atilla the hun if you've watched it

but back to the discussion, either way, want exists within us all whether you like it or not. Whether it is wanting to satisfy curiosity, quenching your thirst, or have more pleasures in life.
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LemonyPanda wrote:


Darkphoenix3450 wrote:


LemonyPanda wrote:

it could never exist due to human greed
Human greed is created by are society, By changing what is important in are world/reality/society we change a person reaction to certain devices/stimulation, Hence human greed is only the by product of are teaching and life style. But it does not need to be so.. And so your opinion on it never working do to the greed factor, is false... do to the fact we can change a person motivation away from the greed factor. One way it to remove money of any type all to gather and create a system of equality, Or community system where everyone strives together and make decisions together.
Communism is not perfect but capitalism, and democracy is not perfect as well. So to take what works from them and create something using what works from them and remove what does not is the best thing for us.. Removing currency is a good Idea as well.



no...no...you're not thinking properly as usual. You only think of one factor you fail to see the big picture.

greed and jealousy is human nature. Even before currency was invented, there were other commodities such as food or women. You see someone eating a delicious hunk of meat, you want some too. You see someone fucking your wife, you get jealous. When tribes conquered other tribes, they collected the women and the food.

Striving for more than what we have, is what makes us different from other animals, and it does not necessarily have to do with material goods either. You can want to become a better, dancer, a better a better singer, or even a better person overall. Wanting more than what we have is human nature, just like how I want you to stop quoting me when you're going to have something stupid to say as usual
I beg to differ, when you got the wrong idea about the nature of humanity as social animals. While you're confusing the social behaviors between "preservation of self" and "survival of the species".

For example, do you ever understand the nature of your own greed and jealousy? As in were you thinking of how others will think and feel about you, if they knew that you're greedy and jealous about them? Do you think that others will still accept you as one of their own when you wanted to pounce on them while nobody knows the wiser? If not, what's the next thing you should do in order for you to preserve yourself while you prey on others by you outmaneuvering them?

The answer: you disguise your true intention with misinformation, in order for you to lure your preys. That's the rationale based on "preservation of self" as an intrinsic motivator; anything you say or do is instinctively to misinform others as a means for self-preservation.

So what's self-recreation in the form of socializing through play, such as singing and dancing in order to better oneself and others, has anything to do with "misinform others as a means for self-preservation"? Furthermore, for you to just accusing others being stupid without proofs, can therefore be seen as a rationale under self-preservation; your wrong idea about the nature of humanity as something other than sociable, because you think everyone is just as selfish as you are.


Ok, so people can hide their greed. Sure, I have no problem with that idea. But the fact is is that the feeling still exists. And because it exists, communism will NEVER work. Sure people might hide their feelings to save their own lives, but as history shows again and again, when the people are irritated, they rise up and take back what is theirs.


I didn't make the connection between self preservation and achieving goals. YOU came up with that idea. And I do know this guy is a fuckin retard because every post that I make, he quotes me and tries to argue with me with the dumbest ideas, while trying to confuse me with his horrific grammar. I'm glad to see he's improved on his grammar tho, allows me to understand the gist of what he's saying

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Communism if you like mass murder it fine. The wealthy are the heads of party and military. Stallion has been said murder30 to 40 million after WW11 was over. China Mao Zedong estimate 50 to 70 million. Cambodia and Vietnam millions but finding numbers is difficult with all the different wars. If people could act like ants it would work well. Please show me a working communist country. I am assuming this post was a joke
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Communism if you like mass murder it fine. The wealthy are the heads of party and military. Stallion has been said murder30 to 40 million after WW11 was over. China Mao Zedong estimate 50 to 70 million. Cambodia and Vietnam millions but finding numbers is difficult with all the different wars. If people could act like ants it would work well. Please show me a working communist country. I am assuming this post was a joke


None of those were communist or any form of socialist states. Socialism is probably the fairest, most logical form of society humans have come up with so far.

I'd recommend studying what socialism is first before talking about it, US indoctrination on this topic has been going on for a century so I can understand how people already have set views and yet don't know what they're talking about.
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I may say that the French Revolution was the ideals of democracy put into practice, but it still is not the practice of Democracy, but a preversion, a mobocracy. Likewise, some government with no relation to said ideology uses its name, such as the 'Democratic Republic of Congo' or 'the Democratic People's Republic of Korea'. So, if it does not follow the ideas of the theory, and only goes about it in name, why should it be considered the practice of said theory? Orthodox Marxism requires that the PEOPLE owns the mean of production, as opposed to the state, and that the state, in granting the WORKERS these priviledges and making said means controlled by everyone, will cease to exist, seeing as they no longer have a function. The USSR, on the other, continues to prepetuate itself through totalitarianism and through ownership of the tools of production. In a sense, the USSR was just another form of Capitalism, the state being the company, and the people their workers.


The French revolution may have been a failure as regards transposing ideals into reality, but democracy demonstrated, overall, that it has a high success rate. Communism is an arbitrary creation of our species just like democracy. What it means has not been determined invariably and both the words communism and democracy only have their core meanings as indicative of what they mean, the rest is determined by us. So, the core definition of democracy comes from démos krátos, which simply means rule of the people. It doesn't say whether it is representative or participatory democracy, just democracy, so we consider both types to belong to the same group of governance.

Why are you speaking about the USSR in the present tense, if I may ask?


Sir, the Russian government only changed it name with its fall.

But, you are bound to get more 'successes' with more tries. In addition, many of the so called practitioners of democracy, such as the United States, operate on a system that vaguely recalls such ideals, and, in this sense, Democracy may also be said to have be tried but once, in Athens, and in a system that excluded about three fourth of the population. We live in a so called representative democracy, true, but, if you observe, they hardly represents our interest, and thank god. And the choices in representative are also very limited, coming mainly from the same class, and, at times, even the same family of people, recalling a less democratic and more ROMAN way of handling things.
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In 15 your so year you will find out how full it your teacher are unless you become one. People that have not do not to compete in the privet sector. have that attitude. If you me your prince charming that makes loads of money you will really hate living in a socialist state. By the way I am pretty sure we do not have a department to undermine other counties. Your own country is self destroying quiet nicely thank you.
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The topic was Communism is it good you bad maybe reading the topic might be good for starters
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Communism if you like mass murder it fine. The wealthy are the heads of party and military. Stallion has been said murder30 to 40 million after WW11 was over. China Mao Zedong estimate 50 to 70 million. Cambodia and Vietnam millions but finding numbers is difficult with all the different wars. If people could act like ants it would work well. Please show me a working communist country. I am assuming this post was a joke


None of those were communist or any form of socialist states. Socialism is probably the fairest, most logical form of society humans have come up with so far.

I'd recommend studying what socialism is first before talking about it, US indoctrination on this topic has been going on for a century so I can understand how people already have set views and yet don't know what they're talking about.


Actually they were communist and socialist states. Mao Zedong was part of the Communist Party of China. Stalin was part of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union's official name was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The official name of Vietnam is the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. These countries were all communist/socialist nations and the wicked leaders who murdered millions were part of communist socialist political parties.

My personal opinion on communism is that it is one of the worst forms of government. It's a terrible political philosophy that makes everyone slaves to the state. I also think socialism is a terrible form of government as well. People should have freedom and small government, not big government regulating what is "fair" and having the whole nation dependent on the government.
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