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Posted 9/23/09

Darkphoenix3450 wrote:

So not having a religion until your older makes you a bad person? Last time I looked the majority of people in prison are religious. .


Well…duh? The vast majority of people in general are religious…

But, a relate story: I’ve only known two children raised atheist in my entire life. They were brother and sister and their parents were both atheists apparently. I didn’t know them too well but they appeared to be pretty much at the same moral stage as the rest of us. Ten and self indulged, like other ten year olds.

Now, I’ve known many atheists. Most being teenagers looking for attention, but aside from them I’ve known a few atheists who’re legitimate. In every case, every breed and age of atheist, they were completely normal. Religion doesn’t really seem to play as much of a role in instilling morality as does society and simple parenting.
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I think children do have an aspect of God. The Bible says to raise children in the truth and to teach them about God. However, even in Jewish society and the time of Jesus, they didn't teach them extensively until they were old enough to memorize scripture and learn from the Rabbis. I think we discredit what children can know and question, at age 4 I had the concept of eternity, death, and knew about other religious beliefs. I wasn't as mature but I had the concept of these things and had my own opinions as a child (although they weren't as mature as mine that I have now)


Bullshit! What evidence do you have for your supposition that children inherently understand the concept of god without instruction from their parents? At 4 you didnt have the brain capacity or physical structure that would allow for a working comprehension of such things as eternity or death. www.ted.com/talks/rebecca_saxe_how_brains_make_moral_judgments.html
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I don't think there is anything inherently wrong in raising one's child in one's own religion - my parents are Catholic, and I was raised Catholic. I have since left the Church because I found that the Church and I didn't get along so well for a number of reasons, most largely that I did not (and for a very long time had not) believed in God the way it is taught in Catholicism - or even Christianity. Not all the children I went to church with as a kid have left the Church, though - they believe in how God has been taught to them, and as far as I'm concerned, that's fine.

The problem comes, in my opinion, when parents raise their children in their religion (or sometimes not necessarily in their religion but in their beliefs in general, some of which may not have any basis in religion at all) in such a way as to make the child inflexible or so extremist that other people are hurt because of it. The world is constantly changing, and if one is inflexible then one will likely have problems continuing to function in society as society changes and they stay the same. Extremism that hurts others speaks for itself, I think.
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GrandX wrote:


digs wrote:

I think children do have an aspect of God. The Bible says to raise children in the truth and to teach them about God. However, even in Jewish society and the time of Jesus, they didn't teach them extensively until they were old enough to memorize scripture and learn from the Rabbis. I think we discredit what children can know and question, at age 4 I had the concept of eternity, death, and knew about other religious beliefs. I wasn't as mature but I had the concept of these things and had my own opinions as a child (although they weren't as mature as mine that I have now)


Bullshit! What evidence do you have for your supposition that children inherently understand the concept of god without instruction from their parents? At 4 you didnt have the brain capacity or physical structure that would allow for a working comprehension of such things as eternity or death. www.ted.com/talks/rebecca_saxe_how_brains_make_moral_judgments.html


Well the human brain/mind is a very complex piece of biological hardware, we're only concious of using up to 10% of it. I think Digs is assuming that the soul already has these basic concepts that are can potentially be surfaced on the concious level later on in life. Then again maybe he's arguing for a priori.

Getting back on topic, it's not wrong to bring up your children into who you want them to be. That's the whole point of parenting. However children have potentiation for their culture and may or may not have embraced what they're taught so we can only distinguish what they may be by their actions.

On discrimination, there's a lot of articles that label it as the bane of all evil because it contributes to so much drama in history. It's certainly bad to its extremes but the use of discrimination in general life is not all that bad (even though racial discrimination is actually generalization). Outside the spectrum of race we use it to identify things and what are similar to them. We call this distinguishing.

Even if we try our best at stopping discrimination it's not going to stop happenning. The white people are always going to prefer hanging out with other white people and so forth. Even growing up as an asian surrounded by white people, whenever I see an asian person I usually get along with them really well because we share the same culture. When people realize this isn't about skin anymore, there's going to be an attempt at merging cultures.
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crunchypibb wrote:


GrandX wrote:


digs wrote:

I think children do have an aspect of God. The Bible says to raise children in the truth and to teach them about God. However, even in Jewish society and the time of Jesus, they didn't teach them extensively until they were old enough to memorize scripture and learn from the Rabbis. I think we discredit what children can know and question, at age 4 I had the concept of eternity, death, and knew about other religious beliefs. I wasn't as mature but I had the concept of these things and had my own opinions as a child (although they weren't as mature as mine that I have now)


Bullshit! What evidence do you have for your supposition that children inherently understand the concept of god without instruction from their parents? At 4 you didnt have the brain capacity or physical structure that would allow for a working comprehension of such things as eternity or death. www.ted.com/talks/rebecca_saxe_how_brains_make_moral_judgments.html


Well the human brain/mind is a very complex piece of biological hardware, we're only concious of using up to 10% of it. I think Digs is assuming that the soul already has these basic concepts that are can potentially be surfaced on the concious level later on in life. Then again maybe he's arguing for a priori.

Getting back on topic, it's not wrong to bring up your children into who you want them to be. That's the whole point of parenting. However children have potentiation for their culture and may or may not have embraced what they're taught so we can only distinguish what they may be by their actions.

On discrimination, there's a lot of articles that label it as the bane of all evil because it contributes to so much drama in history. It's certainly bad to its extremes but the use of discrimination in general life is not all that bad (even though racial discrimination is actually generalization). Outside the spectrum of race we use it to identify things and what are similar to them. We call this distinguishing.

Even if we try our best at stopping discrimination it's not going to stop happenning. The white people are always going to prefer hanging out with other white people and so forth. Even growing up as an asian surrounded by white people, whenever I see an asian person I usually get along with them really well because we share the same culture. When people realize this isn't about skin anymore, there's going to be an attempt at merging cultures.


I agree with you 100% i hope one day people will see skin or religion doesnt matter but people are clinging to the past. They dont want except change so they are contently at war to stop it, they try to challenge the law of the universe.
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