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Drug War propaganda has infiltrated our lives to such an extreme that we no longer notice ridiculous logical fallacies applied to everyday situations.

Here’s where the rabbit trail begins. Illicit drugs aren’t all addictive (think marijuana), and some of the most lethal drugs are addictive and legal (think, most obviously, tobacco and alcohol).

A mug of coffee cuts through the morning fog and gives us something to chat over before trudging off to our cubicles, but the habit is more social and psychological than it is physical. Cutting caffeine out of your diet may throw you a little off kilter, but it won’t inspire you to lie, cheat or steal.

Marijuana use doesn’t ‘inspire’ lying cheating or stealing either, but see how easy it is for the writer to automatically assume we should categorize all illegal controlled substances as ‘bad’, while ignoring legal drugs that actually are ‘bad’ for us?

Talk about jumping to unreasonable conclusions. Or perhaps it’s just begging the question. But I find this line of ‘thought’ annoying for its lack of intellectual rigor.

There’s no relationship between the drugs we criminalize and addiction; and there’s certainly no logical argument that addiction can be defined by what the legislature decides to send folks to jail or prison for.



The gateway effect is a widely used term to express the false impression that marijuana leads people to harder and harder drugs. This is a lie marijuana is not a “gateway” drug it does not lead people to do crack, heroin or LSD. In Holland with the legalization of marijuana the use of hardcore drugs has shown to decrease. If marijuana were a gateway drug and it were legalized then the only thing that could logically happen would be that the use of hardcore drugs (cocaine, heroin) would have increased. Yet the opposite happened the harder drugs declined while marijuana did increase it took the place of these drugs#. Some of the more uneducated people in the world talk about overdosing on marijuana this next to impossible. If you take the dosage of alcohol to kill you the equal level of that to cannabis would have to be multiplied by hundreds. Marijuana has been called the safest therapeutically active substance known to man#. One of the main things associated with “pot” smokers is chronic laziness. This is a stereotypical misconception that was brought by Mexican borracho. Studies have shown that the majority of responsible adults do not have this habit. Even the U.S. Army has done studies on the subject and found no effect#. When you look at all these facts that have been presented in a bias manor by the media and the government. How can an argument be made against the legalization of marijuana? The amount of money that it could bring in is unbelievable. The simple fact that the sale of marijuana would bring in almost nine percent of today’s GDP. That hemp could replace half a dozen other fabrics, be cheaper to produce and even be more ecological. The sale of hemp would be another factor to be brought up the first figure I had is just the sale of smoked marijuana. The sale of hemp wasn’t calculated into it that it would just bring up the tax money and possibly take its percentage of GDP up to fifteen or at the most eighteen percent. Medicinal uses of it outweigh by far the supposed cancers it produces. If given the chance marijuana could be the next penicillin a miracle drug curing sicknesses never thought to be curable.
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Exactly, I'm so glad you posted here, thanks for making it a little more clear to others. Unlike them we've heard both bias sides and came to our own conclusion on it, they've just said what they've heard on adverts and such.
Posted 9/14/09

Stiffler1 wrote:Open minded in the sense where I accept others views and not just my own, seeing things in a different perspective, once again being ignorant, as I haven't touched weed in a LONG LONG LONG while if you had read any of my posts you snob.
And isn't this thread you made about the merits and dis-merits of weed? And since you've already sided on weed being good, yet you claimed that you had since stopped smoking weed a long time ago. Regardless that you admitted that there are negative effects of people smoking weed, such as making people feeble minded.

And by saying that, I've only read you as clearly as you've made yourself and your opinions on weed as is. Therefore I ask:

1)Did you ever felt bad about you smoking weed, and stopped smoking weed because you thought smoking weed was wrong? And...

2)If so, why are you contradicting yourself now by saying smoking weed is good and therefore it should be legalized, when you claimed that you've stopped smoking weed "in a LONG LONG LONG while"? Unless you didn't stop smoking weed willingly and therefore...

3)Do you regret that you've stopped smoking weed, and now you want to justify your reliance on smoking weed by going "smoking weed is good and therefore it should be legalized"? In which case...

4)Do you think that by you smoking weed, you're a better person because it makes you open-minded? When those who are stoned on weed can have their inhibitions so removed, to a point that they would agree to have sex with those that they normally wouldn't. So...

5)How can you call yourself being open-minded, when all you're doing is contradicting your own past as I see it? You said it yourself that normally you aren't as open-minded as you would be when you're stoned. Therefore...

6)Aren't you trying to get people to simply agree with you by you setting them up to smoke marijuana/weed/pots?

I say you're feeble minded time and time again, because there's a weed smoker that's even smarter than you by being level-headed about smoking weed: http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/pot.htm

And guess what he said about smoking weed and cancer under the title "If anyone asks if you smoke Pot, Just say No!":

Smoking Pot increases your risk of cancer. But most people smoke very little Pot. If you use Pot moderately you don't have anything to worry about. Moderate means a joint every few days.



GDXTom wrote:History is my favorite, and therefore understanding people is also my favorite (Kind of...). I'm trying to be a good - normal historian learner. That mean if I said something bias or wrong on this post, it is best for you to tell me about it instead of calling me a lieing media bias person.
And here's a history lesson that you should know about legalized use of inhibitor drug. Which allowed one nation to subject another nation's populace with a series of unfair treaties, by poisoning not just their bodies, but ultimately their minds as well: The Opium War(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars)

My own Chinese heritage notwithstanding, but I can't see the merit of injecting poisons into my body. When the history of my people had shown me how easily it is that an entire nation of people can be overcome not by strengths of others, but through their own weaknesses.

Therefore if the suffering of a nation isn't enough of a warning as it is, should we repeat the history lesson again because of some close-minded people are poor thinkers due their ignorance? Or should we just all forget about what I've just said and have a joint on Stiffler1's insistence? Because smoking weed "will cause some short term memory loss"
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Stiffler1 wrote:Open minded in the sense where I accept others views and not just my own, seeing things in a different perspective, once again being ignorant, as I haven't touched weed in a LONG LONG LONG while if you had read any of my posts you snob.
And isn't this thread you made about the merits and dis-merits of weed? And since you've already sided on weed being good, yet you claimed that you had since stopped smoking weed a long time ago. Regardless that you admitted that there are negative effects of people smoking weed, such as making people feeble minded.

And by saying that, I've only read you as clearly as you've made yourself and your opinions on weed as is. Therefore I ask:

1)Did you ever felt bad about you smoking weed, and stopped smoking weed because you thought smoking weed was wrong? And...

2)If so, why are you contradicting yourself now by saying smoking weed is good and therefore it should be legalized, when you claimed that you've stopped smoking weed "in a LONG LONG LONG while"? Unless you didn't stop smoking weed willingly and therefore...

3)Do you regret that you've stopped smoking weed, and now you want to justify your reliance on smoking weed by going "smoking weed is good and therefore it should be legalized"? In which case...

4)Do you think that by you smoking weed, you're a better person because it makes you open-minded? When those who are stoned on weed can have their inhibitions so removed, to a point that they would agree to have sex with those that they normally wouldn't. So...

5)How can you call yourself being open-minded, when all you're doing is contradicting your own past as I see it? You said it yourself that normally you aren't as open-minded as you would be when you're stoned. Therefore...

6)Aren't you trying to get people to simply agree with you by you setting them up to smoke marijuana/weed/pots?

I say you're feeble minded time and time again, because there's a weed smoker that's even smarter than you by being level-headed about smoking weed: http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/pot.htm

And guess what he said about smoking weed and cancer under the title "If anyone asks if you smoke Pot, Just say No!":

Smoking Pot increases your risk of cancer. But most people smoke very little Pot. If you use Pot moderately you don't have anything to worry about. Moderate means a joint every few days.



GDXTom wrote:History is my favorite, and therefore understanding people is also my favorite (Kind of...). I'm trying to be a good - normal historian learner. That mean if I said something bias or wrong on this post, it is best for you to tell me about it instead of calling me a lieing media bias person.
And here's a history lesson that you should know about legalized use of inhibitor drug. Which allowed one nation to subject another nation's populace with a series of unfair treaties, by poisoning not just their bodies, but ultimately their minds as well: The Opium War(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars)

My own Chinese heritage notwithstanding, but I can't see the merit of injecting poisons into my body. When the history of my people had shown me how easily it is that an entire nation of people can be overcome not by strengths of others, but through their own weaknesses.

Therefore if the suffering of a nation isn't enough of a warning as it is, should we repeat the history lesson again because of some close-minded people are poor thinkers due their ignorance? Or should we just all forget about what I've just said and have a joint on Stiffler1's insistence? Because smoking weed "will cause some short term memory loss"



To answer your 1st question kind sir, I stopped smoking weed because I didn't enjoy getting high all the time, I have more important things to do.

2nd question, I didn't claim weed was GOOD I claimed it's not as bad as people state, so I'm going to ignore the rest of that question.

3rd question I didn't say it should be legalized, I agreed that legalizing it could have a lot of negative points, but I haven't got a problem with it being legalized.

4th question, I don't understand were you're getting it'd make you have sex with people you usually wouldn't 0_0. I also stated in previous posts weed has made me more open minded and calm, doesn't mean I rely on it, also, I said it can effect people differently, but only if they're already mentally unstable.

5th question I didn't say I'm not as open minded when not high...I was talking in the past sense, saying overall weed has made me more open minded, as a general person, not just when high.

6th question I'm trying to make people aware that weed isn't as bad as people say, and they should stop hassling and judging others for their stupid reasons.

Now you're chatting shit, shouldn't judge others for smoking weed, I can assure you, you're making it sound worse than it actually is.
Posted 9/14/09

Stiffler1 wrote:To answer your 1st question kind sir, I stopped smoking weed because I didn't enjoy getting high all the time, I have more important things to do.

2nd question, I didn't claim weed was GOOD I claimed it's not as bad as people state, so I'm going to ignore the rest of that question.

3rd question I didn't say it should be legalized, I agreed that legalizing it could have a lot of negative points, but I haven't got a problem with it being legalized.

4th question, I don't understand were you're getting it'd make you have sex with people you usually wouldn't 0_0. I also stated in previous posts weed has made me more open minded and calm, doesn't mean I rely on it, also, I said it can effect people differently, but only if they're already mentally unstable.

5th question I didn't say I'm not as open minded when not high...I was talking in the past sense, saying overall weed has made me more open minded, as a general person, not just when high.

6th question I'm trying to make people aware that weed isn't as bad as people say, and they should stop hassling and judging others for their stupid reasons.

Now you're chatting shit, shouldn't judge others for smoking weed, I can assure you, you're making it sound worse than it actually is.
This is your opening statement:

Stiffler1 wrote:

Well, a lot of people think it's bad for you, where as others think it's perfectly fine.

My reasons for thinking it's fine:

Studies have recently shown it can prevent forms of cancer.
It's shown not to kill braincells, only to temporarily disable them whilst under the influence, resulting in forgetting.
You can't overdose.
It makes you more open minded in my opinion.
Marijuana hasn't physically killed somebody....Yet:P
It's for some reason illegal when it's no where near as damaging than alcohol...Which is legal.

Now, I'm not telling anyone to smoke weed or anything, you're entitled to your view, which is why I created this topic :)
Please back up your statements. If you need links to prove my points I can supply.
Now with the exception of your "... Studies have recently shown it can prevent forms of cancer", which contradicts to my source of information(http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/pot.htm) of "... Smoking Pot increases your risk of cancer. But most people smoke very little Pot. If you use Pot moderately you don't have anything to worry about. Moderate means a joint every few days," not to mention is the fact that my informant is a very level-headed marijuana/weed/pots smoker. I've formed my arguments and questions based on your "stupid reasoning" in your opening statement.

Also, you said so yourself in your opening statement that "... you're entitled to your view, which is why I created this topic." Therefore who are you to judge that I was "... chatting shit, shouldn't judge others for smoking weed, I can assure you, you're making it sound worse than it actually is." When all I did was simply repeating your "shits" right back at you, in order for me to demonstrate just how feeble minded(thereby you being "already mentally unstable") you are with your own reasoning, not mine.

Finally, I've demonstrated with my people's history of sufferings as what ultimately could happen, when your government legislated the use of opium as legalized inhibitor drug during the 1800's. Therefore I ask, does your education teach you about The Opium War like I did with my elementary education? Or was my people's history of suffering from your legalized inhibitor drug use just another "stupid reason." And perhaps all histories are therefore "stupid reasons" to you.
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Stiffler1 wrote:To answer your 1st question kind sir, I stopped smoking weed because I didn't enjoy getting high all the time, I have more important things to do.

2nd question, I didn't claim weed was GOOD I claimed it's not as bad as people state, so I'm going to ignore the rest of that question.

3rd question I didn't say it should be legalized, I agreed that legalizing it could have a lot of negative points, but I haven't got a problem with it being legalized.

4th question, I don't understand were you're getting it'd make you have sex with people you usually wouldn't 0_0. I also stated in previous posts weed has made me more open minded and calm, doesn't mean I rely on it, also, I said it can effect people differently, but only if they're already mentally unstable.

5th question I didn't say I'm not as open minded when not high...I was talking in the past sense, saying overall weed has made me more open minded, as a general person, not just when high.

6th question I'm trying to make people aware that weed isn't as bad as people say, and they should stop hassling and judging others for their stupid reasons.

Now you're chatting shit, shouldn't judge others for smoking weed, I can assure you, you're making it sound worse than it actually is.
This is your opening statement:

Stiffler1 wrote:

Well, a lot of people think it's bad for you, where as others think it's perfectly fine.

My reasons for thinking it's fine:

Studies have recently shown it can prevent forms of cancer.
It's shown not to kill braincells, only to temporarily disable them whilst under the influence, resulting in forgetting.
You can't overdose.
It makes you more open minded in my opinion.
Marijuana hasn't physically killed somebody....Yet:P
It's for some reason illegal when it's no where near as damaging than alcohol...Which is legal.

Now, I'm not telling anyone to smoke weed or anything, you're entitled to your view, which is why I created this topic :)
Please back up your statements. If you need links to prove my points I can supply.
Now with the exception of your "... Studies have recently shown it can prevent forms of cancer", which contradicts to my source of information(http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/pot.htm) of "... Smoking Pot increases your risk of cancer. But most people smoke very little Pot. If you use Pot moderately you don't have anything to worry about. Moderate means a joint every few days," not to mention is the fact that my informant is a very level-headed marijuana/weed/pots smoker. I've formed my arguments and questions based on your "stupid reasoning" in your opening statement.

Also, you said so yourself in your opening statement that "... you're entitled to your view, which is why I created this topic." Therefore who are you to judge that I was "... chatting shit, shouldn't judge others for smoking weed, I can assure you, you're making it sound worse than it actually is." When all I did was simply repeating your "shits" right back at you, in order for me to demonstrate just how feeble minded(thereby you being "already mentally unstable") you are with your own reasoning, not mine.

Finally, I've demonstrated with my people's history of sufferings as what ultimately could happen, when your government legislated the use of opium as legalized inhibitor drug during the 1800's. Therefore I ask, does your education teach you about The Opium War like I did with my elementary education? Or was my people's history of suffering from your legalized inhibitor drug use just another "stupid reason." And perhaps all histories are therefore "stupid reasons" to you.


Hmmm, http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/armentano-p1.html

Also, google some more information about weed, find out the facts and read the other view please.
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Stiffler1 wrote:Hmmm, http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/armentano-p1.html

Also, google some more information about weed, find out the facts and read the other view please.


I say no, for our history has shown that legalizing the use of inhibitor drug does more harms than good. When our history is factual, while the fact is you're someone with a poor mindset of "just google it."

And it's only "cannabinoids", the compounds which can be found in marijuana, as a "potential anti-cancer agents." Not smoking weed, you idiot.
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Stiffler1 wrote:Hmmm, http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/armentano-p1.html

Also, google some more information about weed, find out the facts and read the other view please.


I say no, for our history has shown that legalizing the use of inhibitor drug does more harms than good. When our history is factual, while the fact is you're someone with a poor mindset of "just google it."

And it's only "cannabinoids", the compounds which can be found in marijuana, as a "potential anti-cancer agents." Not smoking weed, you idiot.


Now you're just insulting me In faaact, some doctors suggest smoking weed haha, also, there has been evidence supporting the fact by smoking it, it could prevent breast cancer. Read up on it man D:.
Posted 9/14/09 , edited 9/14/09

Stiffler1 wrote:Now you're just insulting me In faaact, some doctors suggest smoking weed haha, also, there has been evidence supporting the fact by smoking it, it could prevent breast cancer. Read up on it man D:.
When your original informant wasn't even a MD by trade, but rather "Paul Armentano is the senior policy analyst for the NORML Foundation(http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3380) in Washington, DC"?

Not until you managed to show me real MD who did prescribe smoking weed as actual treatment for cancer patients, providing with actual medical records and statistics. Otherwise you're just another idiot who wants to justify himself getting stoned.

BTW, do you know someone suffering from cancer? I did, and they both died because of it. Therefore you had better get serious with your reasoning, otherwise it will be you who is insulting my memories of those that I've lost due to cancer.
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Stiffler1 wrote:Now you're just insulting me In faaact, some doctors suggest smoking weed haha, also, there has been evidence supporting the fact by smoking it, it could prevent breast cancer. Read up on it man D:.
When your original informant wasn't even a MD by trade, but rather "Paul Armentano is the senior policy analyst for the NORML Foundation(http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3380) in Washington, DC"?

Not until you managed to show me real MD who did prescribe smoking weed as actual treatment for cancer patients, providing with actual medical records and statistics. Otherwise you're just another idiot who wants to justify himself getting stoned.

BTW, do you know someone suffering from cancer? I did, and they both died because of it. Therefore you had better get serious with your reasoning, otherwise it will be you who is insulting my memories of those that I've lost due to cancer.


That my friend is rubbish, not insulting your family at all, now you're just looking for reasons to act offended. You're right I'm wrong? Weed isn't good for you? Well done. Seriously, no winning with the likes of you, and if you had read ANYTHING I said, you'd of realised I wasn't trying to justify getting stoned, yet trying to tell people that it's not a big hype and they shouldn't judge for it. Simply put, you may reply to this but I won't reply, I'm done with you D:
Posted 9/14/09

Stiffler1 wrote:That my friend is rubbish, not insulting your family at all, now you're just looking for reasons to act offended. You're right I'm wrong? Weed isn't good for you? Well done. Seriously, no winning with the likes of you, and if you had read ANYTHING I said, you'd of realised I wasn't trying to justify getting stoned, yet trying to tell people that it's not a big hype and they shouldn't judge for it. Simply put, you may reply to this but I won't reply, I'm done with you D:
Nope, it's just you downplaying on everything. And that's including your opinion on smoking weed.

You wanting to normalize smoking weed is like you encouraging people that it's OK to get stoned, is it not? While I OTOH am saying that getting stoned isn't OK, but rather it's actually proven to cause negative effects on both personal and social levels.

Finally, may I remind you that as long as you're avoiding confrontation with me. The fact remains that I didn't win because I was right, but rather it's because you "chickened out". And that's not fair.

So you can stop befriending me when you're not being fair.
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Stiffler1 wrote:That my friend is rubbish, not insulting your family at all, now you're just looking for reasons to act offended. You're right I'm wrong? Weed isn't good for you? Well done. Seriously, no winning with the likes of you, and if you had read ANYTHING I said, you'd of realised I wasn't trying to justify getting stoned, yet trying to tell people that it's not a big hype and they shouldn't judge for it. Simply put, you may reply to this but I won't reply, I'm done with you D:
Nope, it's just you downplaying on everything. And that's including your opinion on smoking weed.

You wanting to normalize smoking weed is like you encouraging people that it's OK to get stoned, is it not? While I OTOH am saying that getting stoned isn't OK, but rather it's actually proven to cause negative effects on both personal and social levels.

Finally, may I remind you that as long as you're avoiding confrontation with me. The fact remains that I didn't win because I was right, but rather it's because you "chickened out". And that's not fair.

So you can stop befriending me when you're not being fair.


Yeah I'm chickening out, you're smarter than me, you're also much wiser, you're 31. I can deal with that.
Posted 9/14/09

Stiffler1 wrote:Yeah I'm chickening out, you're smarter than me, you're also much wiser, you're 31. I can deal with that.
Nope, I held the same opinion about smoking weed now as I did before, when I was 17. And even before that I never wanted to smoke weed, because I don't like the idea of me taking inhibitor drug. I mean, why should I take drugs when I wasn't sick?
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Stiffler1 wrote:Yeah I'm chickening out, you're smarter than me, you're also much wiser, you're 31. I can deal with that.
Nope, I held the same opinion about smoking weed now as I did before, when I was 17. And even before that I never wanted to smoke weed, because I don't like the idea of me taking inhibitor drug. I mean, why should I take drugs when I wasn't sick?


Do you drink coffee?
Posted 9/14/09

Stiffler1 wrote:Do you drink coffee?
Nope, I don't need coffee to keep me awake. When I also can sleep soundly just fine.
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