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Chapter 146 is out!
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Posted 9/19/09 , edited 9/19/09
Ok the translation of this chapter is out on onemanga!!!!
I rest my case with this chapter !!!! I completly and uterly cast shou as the most hated charcter for me!!!!!! no one can be more selfish and condisinding as he is!!!!!
and yes people might find Ren's reaction wierd at first but that was the best he can do when she's crying her eyes off, it's not like he didn't think first kiss isn't important he was so close to kiss her so many times but he stoped coz he knew she would be hurt or even scard!!!!
I realy need to see any progress I hate antiseptaion so much but the writer keeps pulling the story down!!!!
And WTH is Ren's present!!!!
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I just read it...ohmg :O
But i must say, i'm pretty disapointed with Ren- i mean, weren't we all hoping he'd beat the cruds out of Sho?? And what was with that whole thing he was talking about in the end...?

But it was hilarious...the kiss war between Sho and Kyoko xDD -poor kyoko!
i'm dying to see how the story will continue, tho! >:O
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I read the english translations over again, and I'm beginning to see why some people say Ren was trying to comfort Kyoko by saying what he did at the end. At first, when I read the Chinese translations, I really thought he was being an a** Perhaps, maybe.. just maybe what he's saying is going to lead to something that will comfort Kyoko.
Though... I am still a Sho/Kyoko fan
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I was soo close at getting mad at ren for what he said but I saw his face he was conforting her and him slef with what he said I got that feeling I mean as I said so many times he was soo close at taking her first kiss so many times but he always thought about her feeling a nd reaction so he didn't!!!!!
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I am in shock. I read the spoiler circling the web a few days ago but I didn't think it was true. I wouldn't have believed Ren was capable of being so tactless and cruel. I don't know if he was trying to make Kyoko feel better (though it seems like a crummy way to do so) or if he genuinely does not understand why a first kiss is so important...but I kinda hate him right now. Sho's still a bit of a jerk but that kiss made me squeal like a fangirl! I just hope he knows what he's doing. But now I really want to see what happens when Reino finds out Sho kissed Kyoko first.

Lioneth: I also hate waiting, especially with cliffhangers like this one. But to answer your question, I'm inclined to think that Ren's present is a pillow. If you look at the last two pages of chapter 143 or pages 20-23 of 144, you see that the wrapped gift isn't the normal box or rectangular shape. It's shaped like some memory foam pillows might be shaped.
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Still, it felt anti-climax when Ren said those harsh words at the end. Then again, the story and the characters are so unpredictable which is why I love reading the manga so much.

Next chapter, you might believe Kyoko will be upset over Ren comment but then unexpectedly, she doesn't feel upset over it and actually agrees with him
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Still, it felt anti-climax when Ren said those harsh words at the end. Then again, the story and the characters are so unpredictable which is why I love reading the manga so much.

Next chapter, you might believe Kyoko will be upset over Ren comment but then unexpectedly, she doesn't feel upset over it and actually agrees with him


The words Ren said at the end seems harsher in the Chinese translations, in my opinion, because when I read the english translations, it sounded a bit... more gentle? ^^;; maybe it's just me, or because it's the second time reading it. I don't know where they have the Japanese raws though
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I was soo close at getting mad at ren for what he said but I saw his face he was conforting her and him slef with what he said I got that feeling I mean as I said so many times he was soo close at taking her first kiss so many times but he always thought about her feeling a nd reaction so he didn't!!!!!


i totally agree with you! although i wanted ren to say more, it was his way of comforting her without treating her like a kid. i mean, if he just said "it's okay", he would be saying the same thing everybody else was. still, I WANTED MORE FROM REN! and sho...don't even get me started on him. i truly thought he loved kyoko, and then he does this! what a freakin' JERK! he kissed her only for his stupid EGO! argh! REN SHOULD JUST PUMMEL HIM TO A PULP!
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If I had the Japanese raws I could clear up the ending, but I only can find the Chinese...

I think though people missed a lot of Ren's actions in the mix of the more omnipresent Sho and Kyouko.

Let us Journey into the mind of Ren...

1. Ren is surprised to see the Kiss. (Page 7 of 146)
2. This turns into shock. (Page 8)
3. The kiss lasts for too long. He's angry at Kyouko, maybe she likes this guy.... Maybe she still has feelings for Sho. Ren has been playing it slow and safe trying not to invade like Sho, and he doesn't like the idea of losing to this tight wad now.
4. Ren steps forward. He's going to punch the living daylights out of Sho, he's going to--
5. Kyouko shoves Sho hard to save her life.
6. Ren realizes that Kyouko didn't want the kiss. He's shocked again. His anger has dissipated. Her heart isn't with Sho.
7. Next the situation gets clarified. While Kyouko is fantasizing her destruction, Ren is happy. (relief). Kyouko doesn't like Sho, so he doesn't need to do anything to punch Sho out. He's, in effect, putting trust into Kyouko! She's a strong girl, she can handle it.
8. He gets a letter of challenge from Sho. But Kyouko has gotten stronger since Ren has known her. From this challenge face, you can see that Ren is upset at Sho's childish behavior, but doesn't want to stoop to his level.
9. He's a bit surprised to See Kyouko's face. She's devastated. Here, he'd put his trust and faith in her that she'd gotten stronger and what is the girl doing? His dream of her growing up a little has just been shattered. He's angry. His trust was broken. How can this girl become an actress and be serious when she gets upset over such things like this? She'll have to kiss other guys during her acting career she doesn't like.
10. Kyouko is overreacting, this serves to make Ren feel even more distant. Here was a girl that for an instant, he hoped had grown up, so he could grab her for himself, but instead she's sobbing like a baby and reverting to how she was when he first met her. However, he's happy that she still hates Sho.... so the air is clear. He can tell her how he feels...
11. Acting career. He will push her to understand that these things happen in acting. And if it wasn't Sho, it might have been some strange guy on a set. This is Ren's safe place and probably the only place he can feel like he can talk to Kyouko about. All of the scenes with her (he knows of) were not heart to hearts. They were over acting this, acting that. Safe place to try to grab her in his heart. (The two *that* scenes were over acting when he got closer and let his guard down...) (I think also subconsciously at this point he doesn't want her to think about Sho anymore.)

Which is why he finally says something cruel. I think Ren is very subtle in this chapter. You have to watch him like a hawk. The panel layouts tell lots about Ren if you watch his non-vocal actions. Very brilliant.
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If I had the Japanese raws I could clear up the ending, but I only can find the Chinese...

I think though people missed a lot of Ren's actions in the mix of the more omnipresent Sho and Kyouko.

Let us Journey into the mind of Ren...

1. Ren is surprised to see the Kiss. (Page 7 of 146)
2. This turns into shock. (Page 8)
3. The kiss lasts for too long. He's angry at Kyouko, maybe she likes this guy.... Maybe she still has feelings for Sho. Ren has been playing it slow and safe trying not to invade like Sho, and he doesn't like the idea of losing to this tight wad now.
4. Ren steps forward. He's going to punch the living daylights out of Sho, he's going to--
5. Kyouko shoves Sho hard to save her life.
6. Ren realizes that Kyouko didn't want the kiss. He's shocked again. His anger has dissipated. Her heart isn't with Sho.
7. Next the situation gets clarified. While Kyouko is fantasizing her destruction, Ren is happy. (relief). Kyouko doesn't like Sho, so he doesn't need to do anything to punch Sho out. He's, in effect, putting trust into Kyouko! She's a strong girl, she can handle it.
8. He gets a letter of challenge from Sho. But Kyouko has gotten stronger since Ren has known her. From this challenge face, you can see that Ren is upset at Sho's childish behavior, but doesn't want to stoop to his level.
9. He's a bit surprised to See Kyouko's face. She's devastated. Here, he'd put his trust and faith in her that she'd gotten stronger and what is the girl doing? His dream of her growing up a little has just been shattered. He's angry. His trust was broken. How can this girl become an actress and be serious when she gets upset over such things like this? She'll have to kiss other guys during her acting career she doesn't like.
10. Kyouko is overreacting, this serves to make Ren feel even more distant. Here was a girl that for an instant, he hoped had grown up, so he could grab her for himself, but instead she's sobbing like a baby and reverting to how she was when he first met her. However, he's happy that she still hates Sho.... so the air is clear. He can tell her how he feels...
11. Acting career. He will push her to understand that these things happen in acting. And if it wasn't Sho, it might have been some strange guy on a set. This is Ren's safe place and probably the only place he can feel like he can talk to Kyouko about. All of the scenes with her (he knows of) were not heart to hearts. They were over acting this, acting that. Safe place to try to grab her in his heart. (The two *that* scenes were over acting when he got closer and let his guard down...) (I think also subconsciously at this point he doesn't want her to think about Sho anymore.)

Which is why he finally says something cruel. I think Ren is very subtle in this chapter. You have to watch him like a hawk. The panel layouts tell lots about Ren if you watch his non-vocal actions. Very brilliant.


wow...thanks for that! totally made sense!
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wow...thanks for that! totally made sense!


I hope this is leading up to my pet plot that I want to see... Kyouko is in a *new* project where she has to kiss an actor she hasn't met before which is sending her for a spin because while she's been in love before, she really hasn't gotten close to anyone before. This would leave Ren between professionalism and feelings of raw jealousy. And who will Kyouko default go to for advice? I'd love to see it. It almost seems like the tables are being cleared for this type of plot which I feel has been creeping up on us with the end of Dark Moon and since the cabinet stuff... I know she's storing it up to test Ren out. ^_^ I'll welcome it.
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I'm very sure Ren was helping Kyoko, this manga has a lot of twists everywhere anyway =D
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bobapearl wrote:

wow...thanks for that! totally made sense!


I hope this is leading up to my pet plot that I want to see... Kyouko is in a *new* project where she has to kiss an actor she hasn't met before which is sending her for a spin because while she's been in love before, she really hasn't gotten close to anyone before. This would leave Ren between professionalism and feelings of raw jealousy. And who will Kyouko default go to for advice? I'd love to see it. It almost seems like the tables are being cleared for this type of plot which I feel has been creeping up on us with the end of Dark Moon and since the cabinet stuff... I know she's storing it up to test Ren out. ^_^ I'll welcome it.


ooh! fingers crossed for that! hehe
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Hitsuji wrote:


bobapearl wrote:

wow...thanks for that! totally made sense!


I hope this is leading up to my pet plot that I want to see... Kyouko is in a *new* project where she has to kiss an actor she hasn't met before which is sending her for a spin because while she's been in love before, she really hasn't gotten close to anyone before. This would leave Ren between professionalism and feelings of raw jealousy. And who will Kyouko default go to for advice? I'd love to see it. It almost seems like the tables are being cleared for this type of plot which I feel has been creeping up on us with the end of Dark Moon and since the cabinet stuff... I know she's storing it up to test Ren out. ^_^ I'll welcome it.


ooh! fingers crossed for that! hehe


crossing fingers as well :DD
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lioneth wrote:

I was soo close at getting mad at ren for what he said but I saw his face he was conforting her and him slef with what he said I got that feeling I mean as I said so many times he was soo close at taking her first kiss so many times but he always thought about her feeling a nd reaction so he didn't!!!!!


i totally agree with you! although i wanted ren to say more, it was his way of comforting her without treating her like a kid. i mean, if he just said "it's okay", he would be saying the same thing everybody else was. still, I WANTED MORE FROM REN! and sho...don't even get me started on him. i truly thought he loved kyoko, and then he does this! what a freakin' JERK! he kissed her only for his stupid EGO! argh! REN SHOULD JUST PUMMEL HIM TO A PULP!


I know did u see he was looking at Ren through the kiss!!!1
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