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I definitely agree that a paradigm shift from strictly 'slice of life' to something totally different would probably skew a story in general. I do, however, doubt this would be the case after looking at how well the facets of the story were balanced. You can see this on a micro scale in the last episode where Time of Eve is trumpeted to be an intrinsically gray zone in the minds of the people and the Ethics Comittee. Regarding 'slice of life', the very end when the exchange of niceties occurs was a rather powerful moment. Prophetic generalities like "the majority of the story itself is going to be about somethings that's essentially bigger than the cafe itself" are baseless. Unless your last comment was meant to be humorous (which it was because I laughed a little), act your age Dom. The End? Probably not.

Posted 9/24/09 , edited 9/24/09

mitase wrote:I definitely agree that a paradigm shift from strictly 'slice of life' to something totally different would probably skew a story in general. I do, however, doubt this would be the case after looking at how well the facets of the story were balanced. You can see this on a micro scale in the last episode where Time of Eve is trumpeted to be an intrinsically gray zone in the minds of the people and the Ethics Comittee. Regarding 'slice of life', the very end when the exchange of niceties occurs was a rather powerful moment. Prophetic generalities like "the majority of the story itself is going to be about somethings that's essentially bigger than the cafe itself" are baseless. Unless your last comment was meant to be humorous (which it was because I laughed a little), act your age Dom. The End? Probably not.
Well took you long enough, what made you change your mind all of sudden?

And since all the casts in the cafe had their individual differences resolved in the end, thereby they can move on in their separate lives with their new resolutions. What's the point of us continuously droning on these characters? The cafe did its job by creating an environment that will allow individuals to resolving their differences through daily interactions. So what's there left for us to figure out on our own, instead of introducing new characters while using the same old concept?

After all, that's what Hideaki Anno did with his Rebuild of Evangelion project. Just change the characters a bit while add a new 4th child. And the whole whoring franchise is set to cash in on yet another comeback. Not to mention that's exactly what Gorge Lucas did with Star Wars Episode I, II and III. As in him telling prequels isn't any different than just droning on background information with a lot of visual effects.

And what's my age got anything to do with me being a smarty pants? Or is that you being rhetoric(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric) as in you can tell how old I am due to my CR profile? Which is no secret on its own.
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I'm pretty sure only a couple members of the cast had their plots at a point that could be considered resolved. That's not really a matter of opinion but it seems like any topic discussed with you is thrown in the "moot" bucket. By the way, I never change my mind; read more carefully. Also, rhetoric isn't properly used there.. check the link you posted and think it through. I told you to act your age because you sound like a 12yr contrarian.
Posted 9/24/09 , edited 9/24/09

mitase wrote:I'm pretty sure only a couple members of the cast had their plots at a point that could be considered resolved. That's not really a matter of opinion but it seems like any topic discussed with you is thrown in the "moot" bucket. By the way, I never change my mind; read more carefully. Also, rhetoric isn't properly used there.. check the link you posted and think it through. I told you to act your age because you sound like a 12yr contrarian.
And you tried talking me down instead of you actually making a counterargument, by you not giving any example to support your claim that "only a couple members of the cast had their plots at a point that could be considered resolved", made you actually sound older, how?

In a sense just what do you know about a "12yr contrarian(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contrarian)" should sound like? Care to give us an example instead of you keep making things up as you go? That's not even you being creative with your idea, when it's more like you're bias because you aren't even being rhetorical by you not "telling it like it is."

Come on, out with it! I keep giving you some example on how to make a sequel, or even a prequel with Time of Eve. But you didn't even try to invest on those ideas of mine. Do you really want a season 2 of Time of Eve or not? Or are you just here to argue with me, like you're some kid who doesn't even know just what he really wants to see in Time of Eve for himself?
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ugh okay.. None of that post was focused on trying to make me sound older. From here on out I'm going to answer your questions in a slightly terse, and orderly fashion that suits the level of comprehension I'm presumably dealing with. I may end with some advice.

Look at the main character who opened up an entirely new realm of possible narrative with his closing words, look at our spunky little robot girl that was the victim of some strange accident we know nothing of, look at the recent development we have with the main character's sister who finally showed some affection toward Naoko, why are robots surpassing the 'limiting circuit' and developing sentient individuality? These are couple, not all, of the plot points I would like to invest in.

You sound exactly like a 12yr contrarian in your second paragraph and in turn pretty much answer your own question.

I loathe talking to you or anyone in this fashion so stop asking me questions.

Some advice: quit using the word rhetoric like that; maybe check a different source for its proper usage. I don't "talk people down" on the internet as I'm sure you aren't like this in when speaking to people face to face. Just some observations you shouldn't take personally is all. Source: tool
Posted 9/24/09

mitase wrote:Look at the main character who opened up an entirely new realm of possible narrative with his closing words, look at our spunky little robot girl that was the victim of some strange accident we know nothing of, look at the recent development we have with the main character's sister who finally showed some affection toward Naoko, why are robots surpassing the 'limiting circuit' and developing sentient individuality? These are couple, not all, of the plot points I would like to invest in.
And you can't ask these question to yourself because?
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And you can't ask these question to yourself because?


Then why even have Time of Eve? I mean, why can't you imagine taking Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics and applying them from the perspective of a high school student rather than from the perspective of top scientists, government leaders, or workers in remote space stations as in the original I, Robot novel? Why animate all of this then?

Really, DomFortress, I do get what you're saying. And I agree with it for the most part; I don't want any creator to be forced by the whims of fans (or, in reality, producers and sponsors). It's one of the reasons I am one of the first people to temper people's passions of, say, wanting more Twelve Kingdoms novels from author Fuyumi Ono on other forums, or more animations from Makoto Shinkai. I'd rather these and other creators take their time on whichever projects they wish to do as I understand that too much pressure to be creative tends to destroy it.

That said, creativity doesn't come from nothing; Time of Eve was, partly, borne from Aquatic Language which was likely borne from I, Robot. Sometimes, pressure or limitations encourage great things out of people. Sometimes creators get in a decision rut, and mild pressure can make them simply choose one of otherwise equivalent paths to go down without wasting too much time on it.

But what I'm really taking umbridge with is your tone and how you come in with both barrels firing; how you setup on your soapbox and preach to everyone else and basically use a minor off-hand comment as an excuse to do it. I see this all the time in politics and am tired of it there; you're likely putting off some potentially intelligent members from coming in with some good comments cause you're driving them away with your tone and attitude. I'd suggest toning it down. I was tempted to just leave the forums and not even step up; unfortunately, I've spent far more time with this than actually discussing the series. I have to go back to work now, but I do hope I can do some real discussion with you and other posters later.

And we're getting way off topic here...

Remember, people have different opinions. And one valid one is that many would like to see more Time of Eve. Another valid one is that it should end here. I happen to agree with the former, because I definitely see more ways the series can continue without spelling things out for a second season. And I realize that there will be ways that I haven't even thought of to continue it. Hell, there's many types of links to slavery and racism in the United States that I would like to explore and examine from these 6 episodes at some point.

But first things first, I really need to get back to work!

(Added a bit more at the end to get back to the main topic here)
Posted 9/24/09

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Then why even have Time of Eve? I mean, why can't you imagine taking Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics and applying them from the perspective of a high school student rather than from the perspective of top scientists, government leaders, or workers in remote space stations as in the original I, Robot novel? Why animate all of this then?
Why? To start a passionate philosophical discussion that's based on Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, just like I did with mine: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-554432/the-three-laws-of-robotics-and-artificial-intelligence/

However, those who lack creativity and passion with the topic are not real thinkers but robots: http://pittsburgh.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2007/04/16/smallb4.html


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Really, DomFortress, I do get what you're saying. And I agree with it for the most part; I don't want any creator to be forced by the whims of fans (or, in reality, producers and sponsors). It's one of the reasons I am one of the first people to temper people's passions of, say, wanting more Twelve Kingdoms novels from author Fuyumi Ono on other forums, or more animations from Makoto Shinkai. I'd rather these and other creators take their time on whichever projects they wish to do as I understand that too much pressure to be creative tends to destroy it.
That's not pressure to be "creative", when you mistaken creativity as productivity.

The standard of productivity is but a simple one: do the same thing as before in order to produce the same result. Now can you see how the need to be productive can completely overthrow creativity?


Zitch wrote:
That said, creativity doesn't come from nothing; Time of Eve was, partly, borne from Aquatic Language which was likely borne from I, Robot. Sometimes, pressure or limitations encourage great things out of people. Sometimes creators get in a decision rut, and mild pressure can make them simply choose one of otherwise equivalent paths to go down without wasting too much time on it.
Are you sure you're asking for creative works? Or just faster entertainment?


Zitch wrote:
But what I'm really taking umbridge with is your tone and how you come in with both barrels firing; how you setup on your soapbox and preach to everyone else and basically use a minor off-hand comment as an excuse to do it. I see this all the time in politics and am tired of it there; you're likely putting off some potentially intelligent members from coming in with some good comments cause you're driving them away with your tone and attitude. I'd suggest toning it down. I was tempted to just leave the forums and not even step up; unfortunately, I've spent far more time with this than actually discussing the series. I have to go back to work now, but I do hope I can do some real discussion with you and other posters later.

And we're getting way off topic here...
This is who I am when I deal with someone who lacks creativity; with passion. So deal with it.


Zitch wrote:
Remember, people have different opinions. And one valid one is that many would like to see more Time of Eve. Another valid one is that it should end here. I happen to agree with the former, because I definitely see more ways the series can continue without spelling things out for a second season. And I realize that there will be ways that I haven't even thought of to continue it. Hell, there's many types of links to slavery and racism in the United States that I would like to explore and examine from these 6 episodes at some point.

But first things first, I really need to get back to work!

(Added a bit more at the end to get back to the main topic here)
You can try my idea: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-554432/the-three-laws-of-robotics-and-artificial-intelligence/
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ok guys please keep the heat down. lets have a clean discussion about the topic only.
please bear in mind that we want this thread to be suitable for all age groups.

please stop this and lets move on.
Posted 9/25/09 , edited 9/25/09

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ok guys please keep the heat down. lets have a clean discussion about the topic only.
please bear in mind that we want this thread to be suitable for all age groups.

please stop this and lets move on
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That depends on three factors:

1)The thread starter's original intend and purpose for this topic based on the anime Time of Eve, and

2)The definition of "suitable of all age groups" as in relation with the anime Time of Eve, finally

3)The correct countermeasures in order to perpetuate the discussions within a clear boundary based on the original intend, purpose, and definition of this thread.

First, this was the original post:

mitase wrote:
So, it was a brief but amazing run and we're left with a little message after Naoko and Sammy have a nice exchange. What were your thoughts on the episode, the clip after the credits, and or the possible second season? Hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did.
One of the original intend and purpose of this thread is to discuss the individual thoughts regarding to the possibility of a second season of Time of Eve, which is exactly what I did here:

DomFortress wrote:

s-mith wrote:I think that they left obvious enough opening for them to make another season if they want to (the Japanese tend to always leave enough unanswered questions in there stories so that they can make more, which is why their squeals are usually good and ours usually suck) but they did show you that the cafe was safe. after all the bar-tender was the one who was hurt in the last demonstration by the "ethics committee" and they are trying to avoid the negative press she would generate. and Sammy showed emotion while talking to our main character in their house... and that end clip after the credits.. was that the sister that gave Sammy the flower?
I OTOH would rather leave the whole open ending where it's at. So that nothing is sat in stone, when we're allowed to think and ponder the various meanings of the story by ourselves. After all, we are humans because we can think for ourselves, when we're not machines that rely on others to think for us.
As you can see, nothing "heated" to cause any concern.

Second, the anime Time of Eve was indeed suitable for all age group, and so were the original intend and purpose of this topic based on the anime Time of Eve. But so far, I'm the only one that's being targeted by the original thread starter due to him constantly referencing my age:

mitase wrote:
I definitely agree that a paradigm shift from strictly 'slice of life' to something totally different would probably skew a story in general. I do, however, doubt this would be the case after looking at how well the facets of the story were balanced. You can see this on a micro scale in the last episode where Time of Eve is trumpeted to be an intrinsically gray zone in the minds of the people and the Ethics Comittee. Regarding 'slice of life', the very end when the exchange of niceties occurs was a rather powerful moment. Prophetic generalities like "the majority of the story itself is going to be about somethings that's essentially bigger than the cafe itself" are baseless. Unless your last comment was meant to be humorous (which it was because I laughed a little), act your age Dom. The End? Probably not.

mitase wrote:
I'm pretty sure only a couple members of the cast had their plots at a point that could be considered resolved. That's not really a matter of opinion but it seems like any topic discussed with you is thrown in the "moot" bucket. By the way, I never change my mind; read more carefully. Also, rhetoric isn't properly used there.. check the link you posted and think it through. I told you to act your age because you sound like a 12yr contrarian.

mitase wrote:
ugh okay.. None of that post was focused on trying to make me sound older. From here on out I'm going to answer your questions in a slightly terse, and orderly fashion that suits the level of comprehension I'm presumably dealing with. I may end with some advice.

Look at the main character who opened up an entirely new realm of possible narrative with his closing words, look at our spunky little robot girl that was the victim of some strange accident we know nothing of, look at the recent development we have with the main character's sister who finally showed some affection toward Naoko, why are robots surpassing the 'limiting circuit' and developing sentient individuality? These are couple, not all, of the plot points I would like to invest in.

You sound exactly like a 12yr contrarian in your second paragraph and in turn pretty much answer your own question.

I loathe talking to you or anyone in this fashion so stop asking me questions.

Some advice: quit using the word rhetoric like that; maybe check a different source for its proper usage. I don't "talk people down" on the internet as I'm sure you aren't like this in when speaking to people face to face. Just some observations you shouldn't take personally is all. Source: tool
I didn't know that the use of pointless soundbites is considered as one of "... The correct countermeasures in order to perpetuate the discussions within a clear boundary based on the original intend, purpose, and definition of this thread" that's specially reserved for the original thread starter.

And finally, since the original thread starter brought this all onto himself. Therefore until he clearly expresses the intend and purpose of this thread isn't to allow him to target those who disagree his argument with his pointless soundbites, he's thus far leading by example.
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for the technical factors regarding number 1, 2 and 3:

let the whole crunchyroll community act as the jury and all of these would be taken on the record.
for that reason the thread will be locked and perserved.

for those who wants to reopen the thread, i recommend to start a new thread in relation to the topic:
(The End?) What were your thoughts on the episode, the clip after the credits, and or the possible second season?

if not, kindly state the reason for the thread reopening and notify me.

thank you, and i apologize for the inconvenience.
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