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i meant the ending song part... which arc is she in...


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What arc did rika got into in the last ep of 1st season


wait in the last arch of season one didnt she live? so how did was there an outbreak of the virus? thats another question i would like answered.

oh i think i got another question for you. how did takano know keiichi when they first met in the very first arch? could she have remembered the past worlds like the others have?


I not sure sure what u meant... rena did live and was sent to the hospital and that scene is the ep1 of kai...a continue.... welll she is a nurse... so a nurse knows its patients.... another thing.... if at kai ep 1 miyo killed rika... gas outbrek.... miyo's research correct... she will be famous..... am i right? but if thats the case... why the police says she is killed and the file 34 is the only evdience.... left


im confuessed . lol. im just gonna stop with that mystery and move to another one. lol um lets see.... oh!


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Though its rare.... there is some parts still remain a mystery or i do not know its being solve

1)There was 2 keichi in the 3rd question arc and 2 rena in the 2nd answer arc
2)In the 3rd question arc, we know that keiichi killed Tempei but why is he still alive
3)Is it possible that there is 2 different kind of story? 1 like the normal hinamizawa where miyo is alive and the gas explod where as the other is the story by the watanagashi arc
4) There was another miyo who took the place of miyo when miyo got burned... who is she? Someone like Frederica?

these are some things i still unsure


i think i can explain 2 and 3

2:It could have been that Keiichi dreamed he did all that but really didnt. to explain the already dug up dirt, he could have gone through the whole murder in his mind with out actually doing it. sort of like sleep walking?
3. i believe that takano was always alive but in wataganashi she didnt really have to kill anyone cus shion did.

For 4 i think it was just a random person that happened to be some what similar to takano. i doubt that it was frederica. to be honest i wouldnt know cus im still bit confussed on who frederica really is. they dont really mention her in the show. i only know who she is from the last episode of kai. even when i first saw her i thought that was rika, so i dont know...
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bigben1989 wrote:

i meant the ending song part... which arc is she in...


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bigben1989 wrote:

What arc did rika got into in the last ep of 1st season


wait in the last arch of season one didnt she live? so how did was there an outbreak of the virus? thats another question i would like answered.

oh i think i got another question for you. how did takano know keiichi when they first met in the very first arch? could she have remembered the past worlds like the others have?


I not sure sure what u meant... rena did live and was sent to the hospital and that scene is the ep1 of kai...a continue.... welll she is a nurse... so a nurse knows its patients.... another thing.... if at kai ep 1 miyo killed rika... gas outbrek.... miyo's research correct... she will be famous..... am i right? but if thats the case... why the police says she is killed and the file 34 is the only evdience.... left


im confuessed . lol. im just gonna stop with that mystery and move to another one. lol um lets see.... oh!


bigben1989 wrote:

Though its rare.... there is some parts still remain a mystery or i do not know its being solve

1)There was 2 keichi in the 3rd question arc and 2 rena in the 2nd answer arc
2)In the 3rd question arc, we know that keiichi killed Tempei but why is he still alive
3)Is it possible that there is 2 different kind of story? 1 like the normal hinamizawa where miyo is alive and the gas explod where as the other is the story by the watanagashi arc
4) There was another miyo who took the place of miyo when miyo got burned... who is she? Someone like Frederica?

these are some things i still unsure


i think i can explain 2 and 3

2:It could have been that Keiichi dreamed he did all that but really didnt. to explain the already dug up dirt, he could have gone through the whole murder in his mind with out actually doing it. sort of like sleep walking?
3. i believe that takano was always alive but in wataganashi she didnt really have to kill anyone cus shion did.

For 4 i think it was just a random person that happened to be some what similar to takano. i doubt that it was frederica. to be honest i wouldnt know cus im still bit confussed on who frederica really is. they dont really mention her in the show. i only know who she is from the last episode of kai. even when i first saw her i thought that was rika, so i dont know...


for 2 i explain why it can't be them already
for 3... the only way for the virus to spread is by Watanagashi-ing rika... so thast why i asked if there is 2 story... rika mention that there is a way how miyo wants rika to be killed
for 4...what i meant was.... in accordance to when the seagulls cry.... there are 3 witches... i am asking is it possible that one look like miyo was killed
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for 4...what i meant was.... in accordance to when the seagulls cry.... there are 3 witches... i am asking is it possible that one look like miyo was killed


um can you tell me what episdoe that is so i can rewatch it. sorry about that. looks like that was something i missed.
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bigben1989 wrote:
for 4...what i meant was.... in accordance to when the seagulls cry.... there are 3 witches... i am asking is it possible that one look like miyo was killed


um can you tell me what episdoe that is so i can rewatch it. sorry about that. looks like that was something i missed.


When the Seagulls cry is the game created by the same creators as When the Cicadas cry
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da808pc wrote:


bigben1989 wrote:
for 4...what i meant was.... in accordance to when the seagulls cry.... there are 3 witches... i am asking is it possible that one look like miyo was killed


um can you tell me what episdoe that is so i can rewatch it. sorry about that. looks like that was something i missed.


When the Seagulls cry is the game created by the same creators as When the Cicadas cry


oh... so you would need to have played the game to get that info.... damn...
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for 4...what i meant was.... in accordance to when the seagulls cry.... there are 3 witches... i am asking is it possible that one look like miyo was killed


um can you tell me what episdoe that is so i can rewatch it. sorry about that. looks like that was something i missed.


When the Seagulls cry is the game created by the same creators as When the Cicadas cry


oh... so you would need to have played the game to get that info.... damn...


i didn't play but someone played before and know about the 3 witches
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I think i can awnser some of these questons

1) i have to amit i dont have a clue about this one, my guess would be that in the third chapter keiichi's freinds are trying to cover for him but i dont remember there being two rena's at any point

2) now this one i know. This is cuased by the paranoia from hinamizowa syndrom. if you remember we are told in the awnser arc that satako keeps thinking that strangers are her uncle. so Tempei is dead. but the corpse is in a diffrent hole (keiichi dug two holes if you remember)

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for 3... the only way for the virus to spread is by Watanagashi-ing rika... so thast why i asked if there is 2 story... rika mention that there is a way how miyo wants rika to be killed

The virus is already in place rika is just suppresing its afect. in other words every one in hinamizowa already has the virus but they arnt affected by it until they leave hinamizowa or are put under stress. so all that matters is that Rika dies it dosnt matter how


4)She was proberbley just a convinent substitute i doupt she was any one important


why the police says she is killed and the file 34 is the only evdience.... left

Dont forget that in every story arc Takano fakes her own death and it is unlikly that the police would know anything other than that (i'm sure Tokyo are good at covering there tracks

so the thing in the bag is still pretty much a mystery

As far as i know the thing in the bag is Rina (the woman in the atonmant arc) if you watch carefully the both have a star shapped tattoo.

wait in the last arch of season one didnt she live? so how did was there an outbreak of the virus? thats another question i would like answered.

Just becouse we didnt see her die dosnt mean that she suvived. In the first episode of Kai we are told that at the end of the atonment arc Rika was found dead (this happens in every arc exept watanagashi and its awnser arc where Rika commits suicide)
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I think i can awnser some of these questons

1) i have to amit i dont have a clue about this one, my guess would be that in the third chapter keiichi's freinds are trying to cover for him but i dont remember there being two rena's at any point


In the atoment chapter.... The police was told that rena is being seen... And they left the waste dump to go the that area...



2) now this one i know. This is cuased by the paranoia from hinamizowa syndrom. if you remember we are told in the awnser arc that satako keeps thinking that strangers are her uncle. so Tempei is dead. but the corpse is in a diffrent hole (keiichi dug two holes if you remember)


2 holes i agree... but the 2 diff holes are far away... from the path to it we can see that he dug in the correct hole... correct as in teh one where there is a body



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for 3... the only way for the virus to spread is by Watanagashi-ing rika... so thast why i asked if there is 2 story... rika mention that there is a way how miyo wants rika to be killed

The virus is already in place rika is just suppresing its afect. in other words every one in hinamizowa already has the virus but they arnt affected by it until they leave hinamizowa or are put under stress. so all that matters is that Rika dies it dosnt matter how


4)She was proberbley just a convinent substitute i doupt she was any one important


However, if that is true, ppl will start to be affected with the virus the moment rika died and 48 hours is that if within 48 hours if no one is affected the info is false... when rika was killed... surely someone should have been affected.. as from dinner time to the time where in the night(After search for rika, after find out "mion" is the one killing them, after "mion" is being captured, after "mion" stabs keiichi, after keiichi is recovered in the hospital) the timing is too long... thats why i thinking the only way for the virus to spread is by watanagashi-ing rika



why the police says she is killed and the file 34 is the only evdience.... left

Dont forget that in every story arc Takano fakes her own death and it is unlikly that the police would know anything other than that (i'm sure Tokyo are good at covering there tracks


This is one posibility.... but could it be that they really killed her after making use of her? afterall what they care about is just profits...



so the thing in the bag is still pretty much a mystery

As far as i know the thing in the bag is Rina (the woman in the atonmant arc) if you watch carefully the both have a star shapped tattoo.


But her hair is not blond



wait in the last arch of season one didnt she live? so how did was there an outbreak of the virus? thats another question i would like answered.

Just becouse we didnt see her die dosnt mean that she suvived. In the first episode of Kai we are told that at the end of the atonment arc Rika was found dead (this happens in every arc exept watanagashi and its awnser arc where Rika commits suicide)


this i agree... all i want to know is.... what is that arc where by ooishi ask rika at the closing song part....
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However, if that is true, ppl will start to be affected with the virus the moment rika died and 48 hours is that if within 48 hours if no one is affected the info is false... when rika was killed... surely someone should have been affected.. as from dinner time to the time where in the night(After search for rika, after find out "mion" is the one killing them, after "mion" is being captured, after "mion" stabs keiichi, after keiichi is recovered in the hospital) the timing is too long... thats why i thinking the only way for the virus to spread is by watanagashi-ing rika

you have a point there. I cant rely check until i watch through the first seires again but i think it would be possible for everything from Rika dieing to keiichi being stabbed to take place in 24 hours. that means that by the time keiichi is killed in the hospital the 48 hours would be up. This would also explian why he is attacked by either shion or mion when they both should be dead, if he had just reached level 4 infection, in other words it was just paranoia. so the 48 hours for the outbrake to peek would only finish at the same time the episode finishes

This is one posibility.... but could it be that they really killed her after making use of her? afterall what they care about is just profits...

Yeah your right thats proberbly the best explanation. It seems fairly unlikly that Tokyo would keep there end of the deal

But her hair is not blond

I cant belive i never noticed that Rina's hair is pink, i supose you could explain it by saying that Rina's hair is dyed. But other than that i have no idea

this i agree... all i want to know is.... what is that arc where by ooishi ask rika at the closing song part....

If where thinking of the same part then that is the final episode in the attonment arc (the last episode in season 1)

2 holes i agree... but the 2 diff holes are far away... from the path to it we can see that he dug in the correct hole... correct as in teh one where there is a body

i'm not convinced about that. keiichi covered the second hole which had the corpse in it with leaves and a huge branch. when he digs up the hole we dont see him moving the leaves or branch. also the only landmark if you use the sign as a landmark, then both the first hole and the hole he diggs up are next to the sign post, but we arnt shown where the second hole is dug. so chances are its the corpseless first hole that he diggs up
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If where thinking of the same part then that is the final episode in the attonment arc (the last episode in season 1)


Anyway, rika being asked must means its her importance so we can assume this happen in time wasting arc



i'm not convinced about that. keiichi covered the second hole which had the corpse in it with leaves and a huge branch. when he digs up the hole we dont see him moving the leaves or branch. also the only landmark if you use the sign as a landmark, then both the first hole and the hole he diggs up are next to the sign post, but we arnt shown where the second hole is dug. so chances are its the corpseless first hole that he diggs up


My theory is that... due to it was raining... can we can see keiichi didn't really dig it deep.. like what miyo said... maybe wild dogs digged it up or landslide occur....

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Though its rare.... there is some parts still remain a mystery or i do not know its being solve

1)There was 2 keichi in the 3rd question arc and 2 rena in the 2nd answer arc
2)In the 3rd question arc, we know that keiichi killed Tempei but why is he still alive
3)Is it possible that there is 2 different kind of story? 1 like the normal hinamizawa where miyo is alive and the gas explod where as the other is the story by the watanagashi arc
4) There was another miyo who took the place of miyo when miyo got burned... who is she? Someone like Frederica?

these are some things i still unsure


1: What exactly do you mean by two Keichi's in the 3rd question arc and two Rena's in the 2nd answer arc?
---- If I remember it right, Keichi fell from the bridge and into the water therefore he didn't get killed by the Yamainu when Miyo initiated her plan.
---- Also, I don't remember there are two Rena's in any of the episode under the 2nd answer arc. Please specify...

2: Regarding Keichi killing Tempei, I think it was really due to the growing paranoia that Keichi's having. He probably did think he did it, but he probably just dreamed of it. (As someone have already said.)

3: I don't really get what you mean here... so please explain....

4: You mentioned in one of your post that you saw it from Umineko... Please clarify what happened or what exaclty you know from that event... Perhaps we could think of some explanation why...
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If there's one thing that isn't clear to me, it probably the existence of the Hinamizawa virus.

Is the virus for real, or was it just something that popped in old man Takano's head.

There hasn't really been any scientific proof of it that was mentioned in the series.

As for the events in all the arcs, they probably have been all just worst case scenarios of mental instability and paranoia.

**Note I said WORST CASE SCENARIOS.

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Theoritical proof that this may just be mental instability or paranoia are the events in the last episode of the first and second seasons and the start of the first season.

[EP 26 - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]
--- Rena apparently became aware of her mistakes and asked Keichi why had it all gone to this...
[EP 1 - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai]
--- Rena, even without the said "Queen", lived to a certain age after the events in the first season, where she got rehabilitated, lived a few years away from Hinamizawa, then got back just to be questioned by Akasaka regarding the events that happened before the mass deaths in Hinamizawa. This event probably disproves the theory of the "Queen", suppressing the HInamizawa virus.
[EP 24 - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai]
--- Miyo, she apparently stopped scratching her neck and bursted to tears when Jirou came and told her captors that she clearly had the Hinamizwa syndrome and was to be taken to the Irie clinic to be treated. This event probably disproves the theory of the virus taking over the mind as she stopped her scratching actions and just resorted to crying. A normal thing for girls to do when pressed with so much stressful events all at once. Her neck scratching may have been due to a subconscious mindset that she's been infcted with the virus...
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bigben1989 wrote:

Though its rare.... there is some parts still remain a mystery or i do not know its being solve

1)There was 2 keichi in the 3rd question arc and 2 rena in the 2nd answer arc
2)In the 3rd question arc, we know that keiichi killed Tempei but why is he still alive
3)Is it possible that there is 2 different kind of story? 1 like the normal hinamizawa where miyo is alive and the gas explod where as the other is the story by the watanagashi arc
4) There was another miyo who took the place of miyo when miyo got burned... who is she? Someone like Frederica?

these are some things i still unsure


1: What exactly do you mean by two Keichi's in the 3rd question arc and two Rena's in the 2nd answer arc?
---- If I remember it right, Keichi fell from the bridge and into the water therefore he didn't get killed by the Yamainu when Miyo initiated her plan.
---- Also, I don't remember there are two Rena's in any of the episode under the 2nd answer arc. Please specify...

2: Regarding Keichi killing Tempei, I think it was really due to the growing paranoia that Keichi's having. He probably did think he did it, but he probably just dreamed of it. (As someone have already said.)

3: I don't really get what you mean here... so please explain....

4: You mentioned in one of your post that you saw it from Umineko... Please clarify what happened or what exaclty you know from that event... Perhaps we could think of some explanation why...


1) Existance of 1 keichi killing... Existance of 1 keiichi with the group on the night of watanagashi... 1 rena hiding in her secret base while the police searching for her saw another rena and went over to that area

2) Its not possible as if what u say is true... he will remember as in the ans arc... he remember what he did... and it doesn't make him forget his existance

3) 1 end is by watanagashi ending where the gas didn't happen, 1 end with the gas happen

4) they are witches.. thats all..

apprently all these have been posted and expalin in pervious post
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If there's one thing that isn't clear to me, it probably the existence of the Hinamizawa virus.

Is the virus for real, or was it just something that popped in old man Takano's head.

There hasn't really been any scientific proof of it that was mentioned in the series.

As for the events in all the arcs, they probably have been all just worst case scenarios of mental instability and paranoia.

**Note I said WORST CASE SCENARIOS.

====================================

Theoritical proof that this may just be mental instability or paranoia are the events in the last episode of the first and second seasons and the start of the first season.

[EP 26 - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni]
--- Rena apparently became aware of her mistakes and asked Keichi why had it all gone to this...
[EP 1 - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai]
--- Rena, even without the said "Queen", lived to a certain age after the events in the first season, where she got rehabilitated, lived a few years away from Hinamizawa, then got back just to be questioned by Akasaka regarding the events that happened before the mass deaths in Hinamizawa. This event probably disproves the theory of the "Queen", suppressing the HInamizawa virus.
[EP 24 - Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai]
--- Miyo, she apparently stopped scratching her neck and bursted to tears when Jirou came and told her captors that she clearly had the Hinamizwa syndrome and was to be taken to the Irie clinic to be treated. This event probably disproves the theory of the virus taking over the mind as she stopped her scratching actions and just resorted to crying. A normal thing for girls to do when pressed with so much stressful events all at once. Her neck scratching may have been due to a subconscious mindset that she's been infcted with the virus...


1 reason why person get affected by virus is not trusting ppl around them.. and if in the end... they trust them... meaning they can control the virus... examples are in ep 21 of higurashi no naku koro ni where rena trust her friends and begin to cry of her killing tempei and rina... in ep 26... she realise she nv trust keiichi and her friends and when she believes in her friends and trust them... she became back to orginal how she were... in Shion's arc, shi almost killed mion but coz of Mi's figernails being remove too, shi trust Mi's words and gain back the control of her body... In Kai ep 24... Miyo trust tomitake so and gain back control... in short... as long trust is there... they gain back the control... the virus affect the person mentally...
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what i wanna know is who was in the bag in the begining of the 3rd arch? was it tempai or satoshi? from what i could tell the guy was blond... i think?


Read this from the game TIPS:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=580005&postcount=51

Also the blonde hair in the anime was a mistake by Studio DEEN (the animators). In the DVD it's pink.

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