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Best Country to Live in?
Posted 9/30/09 , edited 9/30/09

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I was recently talking with my friend who moved to America from Japan and somehow wound up in Oklahoma State and I asked him about which country he preferred to live in. He told me that he wasn’t sure but some things that he mentioned:

In Japan you don’t have a lot of public expression of personal or political opinion. He likes how open people here are, especially since he still considers himself Japanese and not American. For him it’s like exploring the mentality of a new world.

He hates our food, but then the guy once ordered a burger from McDonald’s and then fried an egg to put on it. He said the burgers in Japan actually come with eggs on them, which boggled my mind. That just sounds disgusting to me.

He likes gambling. Apparently it’s illegal in Japan except this one game where they’ve got little metal balls and they win tokens they can trade in for prizes or cash. I don’t remember what it’s called, but he’s obsessed with the lottery, black jack, and slot machines. He always talks about getting rich.

He said that in Japan people are more concerned about what others think about them. That was kind of strange to me; I always thought that America was a pretty superficial nation. I mean, the “American Dream,” may have died with The Great Gatsby, but it’s still embodied by the materialistic life of celebrities. But, he says that people here are more tolerant of one another. Like in Japan it’s considered rude to laugh to loud in a movie theater, but here if something funny happens nobody gets mad about everyone else cackling their heads off…within reason, of course.

I don't know, he doesn't follow politics so he couldn't really answer my questions about the administrations and stuff. But, he says that he likes America but intends to go back to his home one day.
When you consider the Japanese collectivist cultural influence and the elitism mindset, those are very understandable coming from your Japanese friend there.

In Japan, you don't get to speak your mind unless you belong to a certain faction that you're loyal to. Who you are and what you can do don't matter unless you show loyalty to your faction, thus your faction defines who you are.

The egg on their burger thing is but a cheap substitute for meat protein. They don't have the farming capability to produce that much meat, in order for them to sustain the meat consumption rate of the fast food industry. The Japanese had a relatively much shorter history on them eating beef, when they have a far longer history of them eating whales: http://luna.pos.to/whale/jwa_trad.html(and we all know just how dead set the Japanese are with keeping their traditional way of life: http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20060628a1.html)

Because Japan lacks natural resources, any kind of risky gamble with resources by commoners is immediately shunt upon by faction leaders who are in the position of managing the Japanese financial resources. BTW the game is called pachinko: http://www.japansociety.org/pachinko_nation

The Japanese have heavy emphasis on maintaining the harmony within their society, to a point that while they despise abnormal social behaviors of individuals and minority groups with special interests, yet they do like their economy generated from entertainment industries specializing on catering those individuals and minority groups.
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I've narrowed down the countries I'd like to live in to be either Canada, Japan or France.

So what country would you want to live in the most and why?


I was recently talking with my friend who moved to America from Japan and somehow wound up in Oklahoma State and I asked him about which country he preferred to live in. He told me that he wasn’t sure but some things that he mentioned:

In Japan you don’t have a lot of public expression of personal or political opinion. He likes how open people here are, especially since he still considers himself Japanese and not American. For him it’s like exploring the mentality of a new world.

He hates our food, but then the guy once ordered a burger from McDonald’s and then fried an egg to put on it. He said the burgers in Japan actually come with eggs on them, which boggled my mind. That just sounds disgusting to me.

He likes gambling. Apparently it’s illegal in Japan except this one game where they’ve got little metal balls and they win tokens they can trade in for prizes or cash. I don’t remember what it’s called, but he’s obsessed with the lottery, black jack, and slot machines. He always talks about getting rich.

He said that in Japan people are more concerned about what others think about them. That was kind of strange to me; I always thought that America was a pretty superficial nation. I mean, the “American Dream,” may have died with The Great Gatsby, but it’s still embodied by the materialistic life of celebrities. But, he says that people here are more tolerant of one another. Like in Japan it’s considered rude to laugh to loud in a movie theater, but here if something funny happens nobody gets mad about everyone else cackling their heads off…within reason, of course.

I don't know, he doesn't follow politics so he couldn't really answer my questions about the administrations and stuff. But, he says that he likes America but intends to go back to his home one day.


What part of Japan is he from? Japan has a very polarized society. There's the very conservative, structured, respect-based Japan and then there's the extreme and rebellious, hentei/J-Rock/crazy hair Japan. The conservative part is where appearances are very important, but that's normal in every society. Order and respect is a big deal, people are supposed to behave and speak a certain way in specific situations. That's apparent in the language too with the suffixes, san/kun/chan, it's considered disrespectful if you don't refer to people with the right honorifics. But these sort of respect rules are normal in all societies, Japan is just stricter.

DomFortress is what is known as an 'anti-Japanese,' who for some reason, like most anti-Japanese, seems to have some sort of personal issues with Japan. Kind of like anti-Semites. Many people in Japan are very vocal with their opinions on politics and other issues, but it's nothing like it is in the US. There's no people like Michael Moore walking around (his new movie looks interesting), but there are many organizations and groups with a cause fighting for something. The politics in the US (left vs right) make it so that people are always against each other and always fighting over something. There's no division like that in Japan, elections are usually won by a landslide victory.
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What part of Japan is he from? Japan has a very polarized society. There's the very conservative, structured, respect-based Japan and then there's the extreme and rebellious, hentei/J-Rock/crazy hair Japan. The conservative part is where appearances are very important, but that's normal in every society. Order and respect is a big deal, people are supposed to behave and speak a certain way in specific situations. That's apparent in the language too with the suffixes, san/kun/chan, it's considered disrespectful if you don't refer to people with the right honorifics. But these sort of respect rules are normal in all societies, Japan is just stricter.

DomFortress is what is known as an 'anti-Japanese,' who for some reason, like most anti-Japanese, seems to have some sort of personal issues with Japan. Kind of like anti-Semites. Many people in Japan are very vocal with their opinions on politics and other issues, but it's nothing like it is in the US. There's no people like Michael Moore walking around (his new movie looks interesting), but there are many organizations and groups with a cause fighting for something. The politics in the US (left vs right) make it so that people are always against each other and always fighting over something. There's no division like that in Japan, elections are usually won by a landslide victory.
Read it again. Since when I was "anti-Japanese"? When I'm more knowledgeable about Japan than most "anti-Japanese" can ever care to learn about Japan.

Besides, you don't even know how social scientists, even amateur one such as myself, are having a field day with the Japanese society:
http://newslet.iss.u-tokyo.ac.jp/
http://ssjj.iss.u-tokyo.ac.jp/

Also, do you know what it means for a democratic society to constantly have landslide election victory? A society in stagnation.
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What part of Japan is he from? Japan has a very polarized society. There's the very conservative, structured, respect-based Japan and then there's the extreme and rebellious, hentei/J-Rock/crazy hair Japan. The conservative part is where appearances are very important, but that's normal in every society. Order and respect is a big deal, people are supposed to behave and speak a certain way in specific situations. That's apparent in the language too with the suffixes, san/kun/chan, it's considered disrespectful if you don't refer to people with the right honorifics. But these sort of respect rules are normal in all societies, Japan is just stricter.

DomFortress is what is known as an 'anti-Japanese,' who for some reason, like most anti-Japanese, seems to have some sort of personal issues with Japan. Kind of like anti-Semites. Many people in Japan are very vocal with their opinions on politics and other issues, but it's nothing like it is in the US. There's no people like Michael Moore walking around (his new movie looks interesting), but there are many organizations and groups with a cause fighting for something. The politics in the US (left vs right) make it so that people are always against each other and always fighting over something. There's no division like that in Japan, elections are usually won by a landslide victory.
Read it again. Since when I was "anti-Japanese"? When I'm more knowledgeable about Japan than most "anti-Japanese" can ever care to learn about Japan.

Besides, you don't even know how social scientists, even amateur one such as myself, are having a field day with the Japanese society:
http://newslet.iss.u-tokyo.ac.jp/
http://ssjj.iss.u-tokyo.ac.jp/

Also, do you know what it means for a democratic society to constantly have landslide election victory? A society in stagnation.


Since when were you anti-Japanese? I think you have to answer that question, but I noticed it a long time ago. Yes you are much more knowledgeable than the other ones I've seen, but you still seem to have the same mentalities.

I know Japan has a very unique society with very unique social issues, but every society has major social issues. Just because Japan is unique doesn't mean it's worse.

In the last election a new party defeated the one that was ruling since 1955, so I wouldn't say the society is in stagnation.
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What part of Japan is he from? Japan has a very polarized society. There's the very conservative, structured, respect-based Japan and then there's the extreme and rebellious, hentei/J-Rock/crazy hair Japan. The conservative part is where appearances are very important, but that's normal in every society. Order and respect is a big deal, people are supposed to behave and speak a certain way in specific situations. That's apparent in the language too with the suffixes, san/kun/chan, it's considered disrespectful if you don't refer to people with the right honorifics. But these sort of respect rules are normal in all societies, Japan is just stricter.

DomFortress is what is known as an 'anti-Japanese,' who for some reason, like most anti-Japanese, seems to have some sort of personal issues with Japan. Kind of like anti-Semites. Many people in Japan are very vocal with their opinions on politics and other issues, but it's nothing like it is in the US. There's no people like Michael Moore walking around (his new movie looks interesting), but there are many organizations and groups with a cause fighting for something. The politics in the US (left vs right) make it so that people are always against each other and always fighting over something. There's no division like that in Japan, elections are usually won by a landslide victory.


Having an issue with a nation is very much different than having an issue with an ethnic group. So, being anti-Japan is not at all similar to being anti-Semitic. As far as Dom having a ‘personal,’ problem with Japan it seems more likely to me that he’s got a political problem with Japan and you know what? I’m not all that fond of Japans administration over the past century.

I don’t see what he’s done to suggest that he’s racist against the Japanese….Weren’t you the one getting onto me for calling out Drizza for being a Jew-hating anti-American? If so, I taste irony now. Especially since Drizza actually made racist comments on several occasions, albeit in moments of anger.

As far as my friend goes, I’m not actually sure where he’s from in Japan; I’ll have to ask him. Although he did tell me that those fads you mentioned aren’t actually as popular in Japan as people pretend. It’s there, but he said it’s much smaller than the media makes you think. He actually hates that, but then he hates anime and is a pretty hard laced guy too.
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Posted 9/30/09 , edited 9/30/09

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Yei wrote:

What part of Japan is he from? Japan has a very polarized society. There's the very conservative, structured, respect-based Japan and then there's the extreme and rebellious, hentei/J-Rock/crazy hair Japan. The conservative part is where appearances are very important, but that's normal in every society. Order and respect is a big deal, people are supposed to behave and speak a certain way in specific situations. That's apparent in the language too with the suffixes, san/kun/chan, it's considered disrespectful if you don't refer to people with the right honorifics. But these sort of respect rules are normal in all societies, Japan is just stricter.

DomFortress is what is known as an 'anti-Japanese,' who for some reason, like most anti-Japanese, seems to have some sort of personal issues with Japan. Kind of like anti-Semites. Many people in Japan are very vocal with their opinions on politics and other issues, but it's nothing like it is in the US. There's no people like Michael Moore walking around (his new movie looks interesting), but there are many organizations and groups with a cause fighting for something. The politics in the US (left vs right) make it so that people are always against each other and always fighting over something. There's no division like that in Japan, elections are usually won by a landslide victory.


Having an issue with a nation is very much different than having an issue with an ethnic group. So, being anti-Japan is not at all similar to being anti-Semitic. As far as Dom having a ‘personal,’ problem with Japan it seems more likely to me that he’s got a political problem with Japan and you know what? I’m not all that fond of Japans administration over the past century.

I don’t see what he’s done to suggest that he’s racist against the Japanese….Weren’t you the one getting onto me for calling out Drizza for being a Jew-hating anti-American? If so, I taste irony now. Especially since Drizza actually made racist comments on several occasions, albeit in moments of anger.

As far as my friend goes, I’m not actually sure where he’s from in Japan; I’ll have to ask him. Although he did tell me that those fads you mentioned aren’t actually as popular in Japan as people pretend. It’s there, but he said it’s much smaller than the media makes you think. He actually hates that, but then he hates anime and is a pretty hard laced guy too.


I already know all that, but he's not just against Japan's politics. He's made it very clear he's against Japanese society and people in general. The Japanese people have a sadistic nature and have a horrible culture that makes them depressed and they all are xenophobic, etc. That's very different than just being against a country's politics.

I don't recall getting on you for saying anything to Drizza specifically, I just remember saying in general people shouldn't be called anti-Semitic for criticizing Israel. You can be called anti-Semitic for saying Jews have a sadistic nature, though.

And what fads are you talking about? I don't remember..
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Since when were you anti-Japanese? I think you have to answer that question, but I noticed it a long time ago. Yes you are much more knowledgeable than the other ones I've seen, but you still seem to have the same mentalities.

I know Japan has a very unique society with very unique social issues, but every society has major social issues. Just because Japan is unique doesn't mean it's worse.

In the last election a new party defeated the one that was ruling since 1955, so I wouldn't say the society is in stagnation.

I can say I'm not the same as those "anti-Japanese" because unlike them, I care about Japan enough for me want to know about their society as a whole. Instead of just referring their society as "unique", yet having no idea why and how "unique" they are.

Do you have any idea how the stagnation in Japanese politics, combined with the "unique" Japanese society, have a negative effect on the Japanese economy? http://socialsciences.ucsc.edu/news_and_events/view_news.php?id=62

Also, the stagnation in Japan has everything to do with how the latest election was decide by yet another landslide victory. Regardless who won the election. In a sense that you don't get a landslide election result every time in a supposedly democratic society, unless just about everyone think the same due to a group-mind, aka elitism mentality.
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I already know all that, but he's not just against Japan's politics. He's made it very clear he's against Japanese society and people in general. The Japanese people have a sadistic nature and have a horrible culture that makes them depressed and they all are xenophobic, etc. That's very different than just being against a country's politics.

I don't recall getting on you for saying anything to Drizza specifically, I just remember saying in general people shouldn't be called anti-Semitic for criticizing Israel. You can be called anti-Semitic for saying Jews have a sadistic nature, though.

And what fads are you talking about? I don't remember..


Oh, that was him? I remember the remark but I’d forgotten who made it. I’m talking about the sadistic nature thing, just to be clear. Yeah, that’s certainly a racist comment but didn’t he clarify that he meant culturally in a later post? Honestly, I don’t recall. I guess Drizza was always doing that when he was here though.

He would say something racist and then twisted it to say, “well I meant…” and then he’d insert something more politically correct. Like, whenever I was pointing out how the media was only reporting the Palestinian death counts during the Israeli/Hamas conflict. I allowed that the Israeli counts may have been overly optimistic but that the Palestinian accounts were probably overly pessimistic. My point was that we have no reason to trust Palestinian sources over Israeli sources because both sides had a motive for twisting the numbers, so that the truth was likely somewhere in between.

He responded by saying that the Palestinian people have made eye witness testimonies and I countered that there are also contradicting accounts being made by the Jews. He then claimed that the Palestinian witnesses were more trustworthy because of the vast immorality prevalent amongst Jews. Whenever I pointed it out he went and changed things around claiming that he was saying that he MEANT only the witnesses.

Then again he argued that because our secretary of defence is Jewish he’s also suspicious. I pointed out that this was racist profiling and he said it wasn’t because he thinks the man is only Jewish by name.

So I suppose even if Dom did come around and justify his comment I understand where you’re coming from. Still, that’s the only incident –I’VE- witnessed in which he said something seemingly racist. Point is, where he’s concerned I’ll keep an eye out for future indications of a personal prejudice but remain agnostic until I’ve noticed some continuity (as I did with Drizza after his first couple questionable comments).

The fads I was talking about are the crazy hair-style, dark dressing, j-pop maniac styles. Hideki says that there are some people who fit the mold but that it’s not really HUGE. It’s just that you see them occasionally and it’s common enough that nobody makes a big deal out of it but not so common that it’s completely ‘normal.’

Like, whenever you watch an American show where they go to Japan they always make sure to stop some gothic Lolita in a dark maid’s uniform with green hair and cat eyes. But he says that they must actually go around LOOKING for those people because really most days you don’t see ANYONE like that, at least not in person.


Also, I agree with you that you shouldn’t label anyone who opposed Israel an anti-Semite. But that just reminded me of a little anecdote from my life recently.

I was browsing through videos about Israel on youtube. Really, what I wanted to find were video blogs from actually Israelis. I did find a couple. Like, there was this pretty girl going to university. She has epilepsy and goes to middle schools and grade schools to make speeches about her condition to the students. Well, one day she was going to one of these schools to make one of her little speeches and a missile hit the eighth-grade classroom. Everybody was safely evacuated and she acknowledged that there were no casualties but that school had to be canceled and that the children missed out on educational opportunities and how terrified she was, ext.

Anyway, I took a peek at the comments and somebody put this “BULLSHIT,” and then the next “Propaganda,” and there were all of these horrible comments to this girl who really hadn’t done anything wrong. One guy came out and he leaves comment like, “How’s it propaganda? A girl filmed herself talking in her bedroom about something that happened to her…”

He wound up getting flamed and I kind of came in and I was like, “Well he’s right. Besides, there’s no reason to get mad about people trying to get their side of the story out.” Later somebody replied to my comment calling me a Zionist liar and saying I’m racist against the Arabs and that I hate Muslims and was a dirty agent of Israel. Weird, but true.

Anyway, I went back to search and found this other video saying that the Palestinians were not ethnically cleansed but that they chose to leave at the urgings of their own leaders. I pointed out that this wasn’t true. Only 15% of the Palestinians who left Israel in the ethnic cleansing left because of these messages. It’s true that most never saw an Israeli soldier, but they left because they were afraid of getting caught in the middle of the conflict because before Israel was formed a group of Arabs lynched some Jews at the Wailing Wall. The Jews responded by forming a gang and slaughtering innocent Palestinians in the streets.

Well, that earned me the title of a rag-head Muslim anti-Semite nazi skinhead extremist lying fucktard….

I just thought it was amusing…first I'm a Zionist who hates Muslims and Arabs and then I'm a Muslim who hates Jews.
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I can say I'm not the same as those "anti-Japanese" because unlike them, I care about Japan enough for me want to know about their society as a whole. Instead of just referring their society as "unique", yet having no idea why and how "unique" they are.

Do you have any idea how the stagnation in Japanese politics, combined with the "unique" Japanese society, have a negative effect on the Japanese economy? http://socialsciences.ucsc.edu/news_and_events/view_news.php?id=62

Also, the stagnation in Japan has everything to do with how the latest election was decide by yet another landslide victory. Regardless who won the election. In a sense that you don't get a landslide election result every time in a supposedly democratic society, unless just about everyone think the same due to a group-mind, aka elitism mentality.


I don’t remember; are you a United State’s citizen? Well, if so you should know that Russia has a more direct democracy then we do, before you go flaunting the ‘democracy is god,’ card. Besides, Hitler was elected democratically and it was ‘popular sovereignty,’ or regional democracy upon which the foundation of pro-slavery arguments up to, into, and beyond the civil war were built on.

Democracy isn’t a good thing…it’s just tyranny of the majority. Just a thought.
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DomFortress wrote:

I can say I'm not the same as those "anti-Japanese" because unlike them, I care about Japan enough for me want to know about their society as a whole. Instead of just referring their society as "unique", yet having no idea why and how "unique" they are.

Do you have any idea how the stagnation in Japanese politics, combined with the "unique" Japanese society, have a negative effect on the Japanese economy? http://socialsciences.ucsc.edu/news_and_events/view_news.php?id=62

Also, the stagnation in Japan has everything to do with how the latest election was decide by yet another landslide victory. Regardless who won the election. In a sense that you don't get a landslide election result every time in a supposedly democratic society, unless just about everyone think the same due to a group-mind, aka elitism mentality.


I don’t remember; are you a United State’s citizen? Well, if so you should know that Russia has a more direct democracy then we do, before you go flaunting the ‘democracy is god,’ card. Besides, Hitler was elected democratically and it was ‘popular sovereignty,’ or regional democracy upon which the foundation of pro-slavery arguments up to, into, and beyond the civil war were built on.

Democracy isn’t a good thing…it’s just tyranny of the majority. Just a thought.


finnally i can agree with you on something o.o
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finnally i can agree with you on something o.o


I’ve come to realize that if people disagree with me on most things they’re just wrong… >.>

Yeah, well democracy itself is certainly better than say…communism or fascism. But we need checks and balances. Just because a lot of people want something doesn’t mean it should be given to them. People get worked up too easily, it’s the whole mob mentality. Somebody has to control the angry rabble. At the same time governments can’t be trusted anymore than bands of gun wielding rednecks.
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I couldn't find what I thought it'll be here...

I thought this thread would be a place everyone showing off their city and telling us how beautiful the cities and countries. Whoever some across the 2nd page, anyone would confused just to read unrelated and unnecessary conversation about some user..
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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
finnally i can agree with you on something o.o


I’ve come to realize that if people disagree with me on most things they’re just wrong… >.>

Yeah, well democracy itself is certainly better than say…communism or fascism. But we need checks and balances. Just because a lot of people want something doesn’t mean it should be given to them. People get worked up too easily, it’s the whole mob mentality. Somebody has to control the angry rabble. At the same time governments can’t be trusted anymore than bands of gun wielding rednecks.


so what your refereeing to is the tea parties and the birther movement here in america??
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