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PEOPLE! I have tons of questions I wanna ask! After thinking about the 2 chapters (Phalaenopisis Paradox) , I came up with confusing things that don't add up to the story!

Q1: When did Irie Shoichi and Tsuna meet up? Well if you've read those chapters, Irie said he met up with Tsuna (about the bicycle and the creation of the vongola boxes) in the past.

Q2: Irie Shoichi (from the past) fired the bazooka at Tsuna and Co., then lived his life as what the note directed him to. But during those days of his lives, WHERE WERE TSUNA AND THE OTHERS?

Q3: How did the future Tsuna know about the plan? I can understand how Irie Shoichi would know about the Vongola family coming to the future but, how the hell did both of them know about the PLAN? Call me crazy but I really think the Future-Future-Irie Shoichi and the Future-Future-Tsuna started the plan.

Consider these things: The Future Irie Shoichi (In my dictionary, also called as Future-Future-Irie Shoichi) erased the Past Irie Shoichi's (and this one is the Future Irie Shoichi, which we all know since he has appeared in the manga up until the latest chapter) memories so that he won't be able to remember anything until 5 years from that time. NOW, the Past Irie Shoichi came back to the past knowing nothing. He saw this note about firing the bazooka at Tsuna and Co. and going overseas for college, and there he shall meet up with Byakuran and befriend him. THEN, after 5 years, his memories returned to him, about the world destruction and Byakuran as the one behind all of those destruction. So, Irie Shoichi remembered firing the bazooka at Tsuna and Co., and now has to wait for them.

♥ Now I want all of us to share ideas about these two chapters so all questions we have in mind would just go away.

THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND I DO NOT WISH TO BE MADE FUN OF EVEN IF SOME OR MOST OR ALL OF THE THINGS I HAVE STATED ARE WRONG.

I AM JUST A CONFUSED GIRL SO BE NICE! T^T
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chrome_mist wrote:

♥ Now I want all of us to share ideas about these two chapters so all questions we have in mind would just go away.

THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND I DO NOT WISH TO BE MADE FUN OF EVEN IF SOME OR MOST OR ALL OF THE THINGS I HAVE STATED ARE WRONG.

I AM JUST A CONFUSED GIRL SO BE NICE! T^T



Q1: When did Irie Shoichi and Tsuna meet up? Well if you've read those chapters, Irie said he met up with Tsuna (about the bicycle and the creation of the vongola boxes) in the past.

Hmmm....Shoichi said Tsuna was 16 or 17 when they met coincidentally since he fixed his bike.


Q2: Irie Shoichi (from the past) fired the bazooka at Tsuna and Co., then lived his life as what the note directed him to. But during those days of his lives, WHERE WERE TSUNA AND THE OTHERS?

Now you mention it, that Tsuna and Co. are in the future and you mean Tsuna couldn't have come back to meet Shoichi! However, if you count the time, apparently, they have a high chance of coming back before turning 16.


Q3: How did the future Tsuna know about the plan? I can understand how Irie Shoichi would know about the Vongola family coming to the future but, how the hell did both of them know about the PLAN? Call me crazy but I really think the Future-Future-Irie Shoichi and the Future-Future-Tsuna started the plan.

Let's see...There's a high possiblity that Tsuna and co. came back to the past before reaching the age of 16 and so Tsuna grew up, knowing what happened and planned with Irie Shouichi. I don't really know anyway.

Well, that's my theory for the time being. I now wish that someone comes from 20 years in the future for a visit.
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About your answer to question 3: When Irie Shoichi fired the bazooka at them, weren't Tsuna and the rest sent to the future? Then trained to fight Irie Shoichi and invaded the Melone Base? All that started when Tsuna and Co. were sent to that time, and that is due to Irie Shoichi's doing. It couldn't be just a visit to the future, or could it? *confused*And don't tell me it all actually happened and after they've beaten Byakuran they went back to the past to plan it....ALL OVER AGAIN. XD

So, if you consider that statement of mine, your answer to Question 2 doesn't add up either.


Wow this is hard. XD Yeah I wish someone from 20 years later will come and fix things!
Posted 9/24/09
I think his past self fired it at them to send them to the future...now there's still the question of where is Lambo's Ten-Year-Bazooka...
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chrome_mist wrote:

About your answer to question 3: When Irie Shoichi fired the bazooka at them, weren't Tsuna and the rest sent to the future? Then trained to fight Irie Shoichi and invaded the Melone Base? All that started when Tsuna and Co. were sent to that time, and that is due to Irie Shoichi's doing. It couldn't be just a visit to the future, or could it? *confused*And don't tell me it all actually happened and after they've beaten Byakuran they went back to the past to plan it....ALL OVER AGAIN. XD

So, if you consider that statement of mine, your answer to Question 2 doesn't add up either.


Wow this is hard. XD Yeah I wish someone from 20 years later will come and fix things!


And I hope that someone, is the child of one of the guardians ^^. Besides, I think if Irie didn't shoot the Bazooka, then he met Tsuna at age 16, then later later when their 25, they plan this and then the people in the past disappears to the future.

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I think his past self fired it at them to send them to the future...now there's still the question of where is Lambo's Ten-Year-Bazooka...

It's with Irie, I guess. Byakuran could not have taken it...what would he do with it?
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chrome_mist wrote:

About your answer to question 3: When Irie Shoichi fired the bazooka at them, weren't Tsuna and the rest sent to the future? Then trained to fight Irie Shoichi and invaded the Melone Base? All that started when Tsuna and Co. were sent to that time, and that is due to Irie Shoichi's doing. It couldn't be just a visit to the future, or could it? *confused*And don't tell me it all actually happened and after they've beaten Byakuran they went back to the past to plan it....ALL OVER AGAIN. XD

So, if you consider that statement of mine, your answer to Question 2 doesn't add up either.


Wow this is hard. XD Yeah I wish someone from 20 years later will come and fix things!


And I hope that someone, is the child of one of the guardians ^^. Besides, I think if Irie didn't shoot the Bazooka, then he met Tsuna at age 16, then later later when their 25, they plan this and then the people in the past disappears to the future.

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I think his past self fired it at them to send them to the future...now there's still the question of where is Lambo's Ten-Year-Bazooka...

It's with Irie, I guess. Byakuran could not have taken it...what would he do with it?


Still, I don't get it.

If Irie didn't fire the bazooka, they will meet some time in the near future. But he DID fire the bazooka, and they were immediately sent to the future. And let's take your statement for investigation(LMAO), he didn't fire, nothing happened. Then 10 years later, they planned how to defeat Byakuran. What was their plan???
Posted 9/25/09

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LiSiaoGirl wrote:


chrome_mist wrote:

About your answer to question 3: When Irie Shoichi fired the bazooka at them, weren't Tsuna and the rest sent to the future? Then trained to fight Irie Shoichi and invaded the Melone Base? All that started when Tsuna and Co. were sent to that time, and that is due to Irie Shoichi's doing. It couldn't be just a visit to the future, or could it? *confused*And don't tell me it all actually happened and after they've beaten Byakuran they went back to the past to plan it....ALL OVER AGAIN. XD

So, if you consider that statement of mine, your answer to Question 2 doesn't add up either.


Wow this is hard. XD Yeah I wish someone from 20 years later will come and fix things!


And I hope that someone, is the child of one of the guardians ^^. Besides, I think if Irie didn't shoot the Bazooka, then he met Tsuna at age 16, then later later when their 25, they plan this and then the people in the past disappears to the future.

hk722 wrote:

I think his past self fired it at them to send them to the future...now there's still the question of where is Lambo's Ten-Year-Bazooka...

It's with Irie, I guess. Byakuran could not have taken it...what would he do with it?


Still, I don't get it.

If Irie didn't fire the bazooka, they will meet some time in the near future. But he DID fire the bazooka, and they were immediately sent to the future. And let's take your statement for investigation(LMAO), he didn't fire, nothing happened. Then 10 years later, they planned how to defeat Byakuran. What was their plan???


Get Tsuna and his family's future selves to battle Byakuran, because Tsuna had immense growth back then and strong bonds with his comrades. I think that's the plan...o-O
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Get Tsuna and his family's future selves to battle Byakuran, because Tsuna had immense growth back then and strong bonds with his comrades. I think that's the plan...o-O


Wait, Tsuna and his future family? Then why were Tsuna and his family (from the past) sent to the future? If their future selves are going to defeat Byakuran? (which didn't actually happen.)

And if you were just mistaken about the future family, then the question is still unsolved. Consider this, if nothing happened (Irie didn't fire), then 10 years later Tsuna and Irie planned something. Their plan couldn't be the same as their future selves planned now could it? I mean, erasing past irie's memories and commanding him. That will make things start all over again. =_=

Ah never mind, I just complicated things here.
Posted 9/25/09

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hk722 wrote:


Get Tsuna and his family's future selves to battle Byakuran, because Tsuna had immense growth back then and strong bonds with his comrades. I think that's the plan...o-O


Wait, Tsuna and his future family? Then why were Tsuna and his family (from the past) sent to the future? If their future selves are going to defeat Byakuran? (which didn't actually happen.)

And if you were just mistaken about the future family, then the question is still unsolved. Consider this, if nothing happened (Irie didn't fire), then 10 years later Tsuna and Irie planned something. Their plan couldn't be the same as their future selves planned now could it? I mean, erasing past irie's memories and commanding him. That will make things start all over again. =_=

Ah never mind, I just complicated things here.


Oh, whoops, i meant their past selves...typo
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Remember about the parallel world guys? It would appear that through being fired into the future an alternate world has been created AGAIN. So maybe in the original timeline where Future Irie erased passed Irie's memory the Vongolas actually never went to the future.

Plus we still don't know how Byakuran's power is sealed (and it won't just be through killing him since there are so many alternate Byakuran that killing one won't change much) so maybe another alternate world will be created after the future arc...one where Byakuran never appeared

And yes, don't think about it too much...
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Remember about the parallel world guys? It would appear that through being fired into the future an alternate world has been created AGAIN. So maybe in the original timeline where Future Irie erased passed Irie's memory the Vongolas actually never went to the future.

Plus we still don't know how Byakuran's power is sealed (and it won't just be through killing him since there are so many alternate Byakuran that killing one won't change much) so maybe another alternate world will be created after the future arc...one where Byakuran never appeared

And yes, don't think about it too much...


Fudge, we forgot about the parallel worlds. And plus, it is said that they're in a alternate future. I think it's better if they seal his ability, since killing him won't...seem to be fitting for our dear Tsuna.
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Remember about the parallel world guys? It would appear that through being fired into the future an alternate world has been created AGAIN. So maybe in the original timeline where Future Irie erased passed Irie's memory the Vongolas actually never went to the future.

Plus we still don't know how Byakuran's power is sealed (and it won't just be through killing him since there are so many alternate Byakuran that killing one won't change much) so maybe another alternate world will be created after the future arc...one where Byakuran never appeared

And yes, don't think about it too much...


Wow that actually made sense. Something still confuses me though, but I won't think too much about it. =_=
Posted 9/26/09

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Remember about the parallel world guys? It would appear that through being fired into the future an alternate world has been created AGAIN. So maybe in the original timeline where Future Irie erased passed Irie's memory the Vongolas actually never went to the future.

Plus we still don't know how Byakuran's power is sealed (and it won't just be through killing him since there are so many alternate Byakuran that killing one won't change much) so maybe another alternate world will be created after the future arc...one where Byakuran never appeared

And yes, don't think about it too much...


When Byakuran finds out about Uni, it opened up more parallel worlds because he found out that the key to the Tri-ni-Set is Uni's heart, right?
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momogoldfish wrote:

Remember about the parallel world guys? It would appear that through being fired into the future an alternate world has been created AGAIN. So maybe in the original timeline where Future Irie erased passed Irie's memory the Vongolas actually never went to the future.

Plus we still don't know how Byakuran's power is sealed (and it won't just be through killing him since there are so many alternate Byakuran that killing one won't change much) so maybe another alternate world will be created after the future arc...one where Byakuran never appeared

And yes, don't think about it too much...


When Byakuran finds out about Uni, it opened up more parallel worlds because he found out that the key to the Tri-ni-Set is Uni's heart, right?


Umm now that I think about it, you're right. But if they seal Byakuran's powers in that era/time, he won't be able to share that information with the other Byakurans.
Posted 9/26/09

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hk722 wrote:


momogoldfish wrote:

Remember about the parallel world guys? It would appear that through being fired into the future an alternate world has been created AGAIN. So maybe in the original timeline where Future Irie erased passed Irie's memory the Vongolas actually never went to the future.

Plus we still don't know how Byakuran's power is sealed (and it won't just be through killing him since there are so many alternate Byakuran that killing one won't change much) so maybe another alternate world will be created after the future arc...one where Byakuran never appeared

And yes, don't think about it too much...


When Byakuran finds out about Uni, it opened up more parallel worlds because he found out that the key to the Tri-ni-Set is Uni's heart, right?


Umm now that I think about it, you're right. But if they seal Byakuran's powers in that era/time, he won't be able to share that information with the other Byakurans.


True, so now they have to seal him before he can travel to another world...that's gonna be hard...I think that right when they are about to seal him, he's gonna go to another world, and they have to chase him down again.
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