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An Honor Student Beaten to Death
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R.I.P , @xCe- martial arts are expensive to buddy.
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self defense classes and such not really something you can say is a tactic to save his life he got his head smashed with a pole you can take all the classes you want but until that situation arises you really cant tell whats gonna happen
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If only his honors can be used in a fight


hmm, that's pretty deep.
Posted 10/3/09
He should protected his head like it's his top priority . Instead of chosen regain consciousness, he just a bystander , even if his friend is a victim, it's still a stupid thing to involved in a fight knowing that there no chance to beat them.
Posted 10/3/09
I read about that . It's sad. I don't know if he really could have defended himself poor guy. R.I.P.
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Well its obvious to see from the topic poster's avatar that he's more into MMA than crime prevention, so that explains the different take on the subject mater.

I just had a simple question. Does the fact that he was an honor student have anything to do with why he was beaten to death? If not, why did the media bother to post it like that...? So we could see it was not some regular dumbass kid and actually care?




it's impossible to prevent crime. Believe me, im a criminal justice major and am currently taking a class on crime prevention. 1st thing my teacher states is that preventing crime is impossible, and he has a PHD in criminal justice.

The purpose of this thread was not to troll, but to access the situation and find out ways to either avoid it, or defend against it. I'm just being practicle. No purpose or merit in sitting here mourning over a guy NONE of us even met or care about. We werent even aware of his existence until recently. I bet none of u even know his name.

The point im trying to make is what can YOU do to save YOUR life if u find yurself in a similiar sitution.Human's are ecocentric beings (very selfish). "what does this kid's death have to do with me?" All im doing is answering that quesion. This is supposed to be a more intellectual thread then "dude died- post your thoughts".

I'm challanging you guys to actually think critically about this situation, and not be overcome by false emotions that cloud judgement.
None of u have even answered the thread.

we cant stop events like this from happening, but we can surly defend against them- doesnt that save more lives? peace over war
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self defense classes and such not really something you can say is a tactic to save his life he got his head smashed with a pole you can take all the classes you want but until that situation arises you really cant tell whats gonna happen


That really depends on how u define "self defense", but if u take a class that deals with REAL combat in the streets- tactics, as well as techniques, can be used to save yourself when situations like this happen. Just look at the video again. What are some tactics you see other kids using?

1- bringing friends

2-using weapons

3-positioning them selves so they dont get hit off guard

4-knowing when to run away

and so many more. Only 1 kid died in the fight.did he use ANY of these tactics? So that's proof enough these tactics, when used properly, work. The other kids knew what to do when the situation arised, then so can we. peace over war
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Posted 10/8/09
he could've blocked them >.>

or at least not LOSE CONSCIOUSNESS SO DAMN FAST
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So because a guy with a paper says something, you believe it...? That's funny, because my criminal prevention professor says it IS possible, it just takes an extreme amount of time, dedication, and detail. I will never be in a similar situation, so I don't have to worry about it. I don't care for preventing this or thinking about how I could handle it, I'm done trying to help lost souls. And in the rare chance that I am, that I learned ways to defend myself against people with weapons, even a gun.

I never said you were a troll, just that judging by your pic, it's obvious to see that your mind leans more to the matter of self defense or fighting, not in the actual matter at hand. And I never said I was going to answer your question, or even tried to. That was the reason why I asked my own.
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So because a guy with a paper says something, you believe it...? That's funny, because my criminal prevention professor says it IS possible, it just takes an extreme amount of time, dedication, and detail. I will never be in a similar situation, so I don't have to worry about it. I don't care for preventing this or thinking about how I could handle it, I'm done trying to help lost souls. And in the rare chance that I am, that I learned ways to defend myself against people with weapons, even a gun.

I never said you were a troll, just that judging by your pic, it's obvious to see that your mind leans more to the matter of self defense or fighting, not in the actual matter at hand. And I never said I was going to answer your question, or even tried to. That was the reason why I asked my own.


"because my criminal prevention professor says it IS possible, it just takes an extreme amount of time, dedication, and detail."

ok then, this has been debated in every religious/ philosophical thread...plz explain to me exactly how this is possible... and i want a reasonble and ethical answer...no torcher, fear, mass murder, or "brainwashing".

plz enlighten me...because this is said to be an impossible thoery even in phychology- where our most basic instincts are voilence/sex.

"So because a guy with a paper says something, you believe it...? "

he's been in the field for decades, and i happen to notice what he's talking about in my everyday life. i even knew what was going on, i just didnt have the vocabulary to express my thoughts. He encourages us to challange him on his ideals and thoeries...and we do. But he backs it up with statistics- the legitable ones. That PHD may be just a paper, but he spends extra time proving his knowledge through examples, exerience, and down right wisdom. It's hard to take what he says with a grain of salt if u are living proof of what he teaches...peace over war
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Why do people hurt other people? Just because they can...isn't a good anwser. It's wrong and well all know it!
I wonder if the "murders" were jealous about the poor boy?
I mean yeah, the boy must have been busy studying instead of learning self-defense and to fight back.
That's how he got he's honors, but still it's a big world out there. Keep your guard up.
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Yea... about that... my professor does the exact same thing, and he along with many other people in his field have proven results. The human instinct thing is fickle, many human instincts are shut down and repressed. I apologize if what I said may have sounded like I was trying to degrade or simplify what you think or believe, that was not my intention. Just that you should believe something that you experience and know, not someone else says. My personal beliefs and proof are mine, I do not have any intention or will to argue with other people about something like this. Believe what you want, I honestly don't care.

Look, I'm not interested in debating with you. I'm not here to answer your "challenge" either, I simply asked a question about something completely different. I will not stretch this conversation out any further if what I asked is not addressed. I understand this is your topic and all, but never did I try to debate with you, say something "intelligent," prove you wrong, or answer you. So it should be just left at that..
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Yea... about that... my professor does the exact same thing, and he along with many other people in his field have proven results. The human instinct thing is fickle, many human instincts are shut down and repressed. I apologize if what I said may have sounded like I was trying to degrade or simplify what you think or believe, that was not my intention. Just that you should believe something that you experience and know, not someone else says. My personal beliefs and proof are mine, I do not have any intention or will to argue with other people about something like this. Believe what you want, I honestly don't care.

Look, I'm not interested in debating with you. I'm not here to answer your "challenge" either, I simply asked a question about something completely different. I will not stretch this conversation out any further if what I asked is not addressed. I understand this is your topic and all, but never did I try to debate with you, say something "intelligent," prove you wrong, or answer you. So it should be just left at that..


do u have to be so mean? whats wrong with debating? i was actually looking forward to this
we can go to a different thread to continue this if u want? peace over war
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GuardianOMS wrote:



Yea... about that... my professor does the exact same thing, and he along with many other people in his field have proven results. The human instinct thing is fickle, many human instincts are shut down and repressed. I apologize if what I said may have sounded like I was trying to degrade or simplify what you think or believe, that was not my intention. Just that you should believe something that you experience and know, not someone else says. My personal beliefs and proof are mine, I do not have any intention or will to argue with other people about something like this. Believe what you want, I honestly don't care.

Look, I'm not interested in debating with you. I'm not here to answer your "challenge" either, I simply asked a question about something completely different. I will not stretch this conversation out any further if what I asked is not addressed. I understand this is your topic and all, but never did I try to debate with you, say something "intelligent," prove you wrong, or answer you. So it should be just left at that..


do u have to be so mean? whats wrong with debating? i was actually looking forward to this
we can go to a different thread to continue this if u want? peace over war


I'm not interested in debating with people because most of the time, I don't care for what people think. Whether intelligent or not, debating always leads to some big disappointment, and CR isnt exactly the best place to look for intelligent debates.
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GuardianOMS wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


GuardianOMS wrote:



Yea... about that... my professor does the exact same thing, and he along with many other people in his field have proven results. The human instinct thing is fickle, many human instincts are shut down and repressed. I apologize if what I said may have sounded like I was trying to degrade or simplify what you think or believe, that was not my intention. Just that you should believe something that you experience and know, not someone else says. My personal beliefs and proof are mine, I do not have any intention or will to argue with other people about something like this. Believe what you want, I honestly don't care.

Look, I'm not interested in debating with you. I'm not here to answer your "challenge" either, I simply asked a question about something completely different. I will not stretch this conversation out any further if what I asked is not addressed. I understand this is your topic and all, but never did I try to debate with you, say something "intelligent," prove you wrong, or answer you. So it should be just left at that..


do u have to be so mean? whats wrong with debating? i was actually looking forward to this
we can go to a different thread to continue this if u want? peace over war


I'm not interested in debating with people because most of the time, I don't care for what people think. Whether intelligent or not, debating always leads to some big disappointment, and CR isnt exactly the best place to look for intelligent debates.



what disappointment? i'll debate with you however u want...
u make the rules and ill follow .ill do what ever u want me to do ..peace over war
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