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ADHD in almost all cases have difficulties in sequencing. It can effect each individual in a slightly different way within their own mental processing. A good majority have trouble gauging time frames, for others it's not being able to learn and retain the steps of the latest dance crase, still others will have difficulty keeping order of the multiple steps to a task. So many of the criteria listed for ADHD are also markers for other mind related disorders & conditions, so if sequencing is not at the root of your difficulties, better have a second professional opinion.

A therapist I was working with in coming to terms with my ADHD, once made the observation the fast paced world we live in might actually be the cause for the increased awareness of this condition. Through multi-tasking & living in the fast lane the constant interruptions can cause the hyperactive mind to go into an overload situation, thereby causing the depressions, the anger, & the withdrawing from society, in an attempt to get away or just rest. A true diagnostic depression will also mimic these responses. This same therapist commented that pretty much all the non-average brain properties are cousins of each other ( he worked very hard at avoiding the negative words associated with the references and diagnoses of the people he worked with ).

As to whether ADHD is a form of evolution, I won't say it isn't, but the usual evolution argument of the stronger or more advantages traits becoming dominant, IMO, wouldn't or at least shouldn't apply. The true sufferer of ADHD, ( a mild case of "I think I might be, or sometimes I am" does not belong here!) often finds themselves left behind or feeling defeated as a result of complicating factors in their lives ( I know I did). I will not, nor ever, say the conflicts cannot be overcome, for I believe they can. One needs to discern the alternate method for accomplishing things that work for them though it may be quite different from how other non-ADHD people would do it.

One thought I came across in my reading and studying, has the ADHD trait responsible for the early explorers and pioneers of our world. The 'dreamer', 'think big' behavior of ADHD people, the ones who leap before they look, who dare to step where angels fear to tread,or who boldly go where no one has gone before, are the type of people who take the risks, and seem to be running at high speed. They are often the inventors, the creative artistic types, the dreamers and planners. And, yet for all the positives to look at and consider, their self awareness is usually consumed by disappointment with their personal performance, their lack of follow through or completion of a job, their constant tardiness, forgetfulness, a fear of failure -- again.

I would be inclined to say ADHD is not a result of evolution. ADHD has probably always been among us throughout history, but w/o the official diagnoses, we were just the odd ones, the eccentric types, who would be less often praised as ostracized.

Ok, so now my uniqueness has a name. I'm special!
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Does that mean I'm part of a superior race because I have ADHD? Happy days. :D

Seriously guys, you're thinking too much about this, ADHD has it's drawbacks like everything, hence why it's considered a handicap. Hardly that good of an evolution, really. xP
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ADHD in almost all cases have difficulties in sequencing. It can effect each individual in a slightly different way within their own mental processing. A good majority have trouble gauging time frames, for others it's not being able to learn and retain the steps of the latest dance crase, still others will have difficulty keeping order of the multiple steps to a task. So many of the criteria listed for ADHD are also markers for other mind related disorders & conditions, so if sequencing is not at the root of your difficulties, better have a second professional opinion.

A therapist I was working with in coming to terms with my ADHD, once made the observation the fast paced world we live in might actually be the cause for the increased awareness of this condition. Through multi-tasking & living in the fast lane the constant interruptions can cause the hyperactive mind to go into an overload situation, thereby causing the depressions, the anger, & the withdrawing from society, in an attempt to get away or just rest. A true diagnostic depression will also mimic these responses. This same therapist commented that pretty much all the non-average brain properties are cousins of each other ( he worked very hard at avoiding the negative words associated with the references and diagnoses of the people he worked with ).

As to whether ADHD is a form of evolution, I won't say it isn't, but the usual evolution argument of the stronger or more advantages traits becoming dominant, IMO, wouldn't or at least shouldn't apply. The true sufferer of ADHD, ( a mild case of "I think I might be, or sometimes I am" does not belong here!) often finds themselves left behind or feeling defeated as a result of complicating factors in their lives ( I know I did). I will not, nor ever, say the conflicts cannot be overcome, for I believe they can. One needs to discern the alternate method for accomplishing things that work for them though it may be quite different from how other non-ADHD people would do it.

One thought I came across in my reading and studying, has the ADHD trait responsible for the early explorers and pioneers of our world. The 'dreamer', 'think big' behavior of ADHD people, the ones who leap before they look, who dare to step where angels fear to tread,or who boldly go where no one has gone before, are the type of people who take the risks, and seem to be running at high speed. They are often the inventors, the creative artistic types, the dreamers and planners. And, yet for all the positives to look at and consider, their self awareness is usually consumed by disappointment with their personal performance, their lack of follow through or completion of a job, their constant tardiness, forgetfulness, a fear of failure -- again.

I would be inclined to say ADHD is not a result of evolution. ADHD has probably always been among us throughout history, but w/o the official diagnoses, we were just the odd ones, the eccentric types, who would be less often praised as ostracized.

Ok, so now my uniqueness has a name. I'm special!

I often think that people with ADHD still have their usefulness. It's just that while they aren't the majority, their problem with sequencing can be overcome with alternative method of keeping track of things in their lives.

It's interesting to see that the demanding modern lifestyle of a past-paced, multitasking environment made ADHD more prevalent. I wonder as the flow of information becomes faster due to the speed of technological advancement, will more people be diagnosed with ADHD because we simply can't keep up with a world overran by IT? BTW I personally would prefer a slower pacing of community lifestyle, when I can have time devote myself into community developments.

As for alternate method for people with ADHD to coup with life; sticky notes are their friends.

And I think in general people shouldn't be afraid of making mistakes, when overcoming mistakes can make us stronger than before. Life is a lesson, so we learn while we can.


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Does that mean I'm part of a superior race because I have ADHD? Happy days. :D

Seriously guys, you're thinking too much about this, ADHD has it's drawbacks like everything, hence why it's considered a handicap. Hardly that good of an evolution, really. xP

Not if you don't work hard overcoming your ADHD handicap. Otherwise evolution will award you the Darwin Award.
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I often think that people with ADHD still have their usefulness. It's just that while they aren't the majority, their problem with sequencing can be overcome with alternative method of keeping track of things in their lives.

]It's interesting to see that the demanding modern lifestyle of a past-paced, multitasking environment made ADHD more prevalent. I wonder as the flow of information becomes faster due to the speed of technological advancement, will more people be diagnosed with ADHD because we simply can't keep up with a world overran by IT? BTW I personally would prefer a slower pacing of community lifestyle, when I can have time devote myself into community developments.

As for alternate method for people with ADHD to coup with life; sticky notes are their friends.

And I think in general people shouldn't be afraid of making mistakes, when overcoming mistakes can make us stronger than before. Life is a lesson, so we learn while we can.






I, personally feel very useful & capable as I work with & around my ADHD.
I did not intend to imply the fast tech-heavy world is making more cases of HDHD, no, its just the fast paced world is causing those who have it into an awareness & then to seek the therapy or assistance they may need. I vote for slower lifestyle, too..... Stop the world I want to get off !
As to the fears, anger etc. I referred to, well that was my experience, but I know others diagnosed with adult ADHD have sited similar feelings. It has to do with all the childhood and teenage yrs. of being labeled as... lazy, ...slow, ...of being a day dreamer, ...of hearing I wasn't applying myself, ...didn't make good use of my time, ...or I was too disorganized for my own good. All the well meaning suggestions, exercises, etc. which I would try, usually met with frustration and often failure. This is the guilt and baggage I had carried around, until only recently. I've learned since to forgive myself, to lighten up, and to not believe or take responsibility for what other people say or think of me. Embrace the mistake! a treasure trove of useful information............
Yeah! My sticky Post-It Notes RULE! Really--, they are in totally in charge of the whole house!
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Well I remember when homosexuality was also considered an abnormal mental condition. ADHD does in sort have advantages but it doesn't neccessarily mean the evolution of all humankind. People misuse the word evolution and don't exactly know when it applies. Certainly whenever you have children you are contributing to micro evolution but it's not really evolution in the sense that we usually think of, macro evolution. The latter isn't going to happen unless a majority of the population gets wiped off the face of the earth.
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Not if you don't work hard overcoming your ADHD handicap. Otherwise evolution will award you the Darwin Award.


It's a disorder bud, not the cold, you can't just one day get up and decide "Right, I'm overcoming my ADHD today". Granted you do have a point and can resist the urge to go around on a hyper frenzy smashing up everything in your path with a giant hammer. In fact compared to alot of other people I know with ADHD I've done pretty well for myself, it's hard to tell I even have it, but it'll still be with me, you can't just get rid of it. :P

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DomFortress wrote:
Not if you don't work hard overcoming your ADHD handicap. Otherwise evolution will award you the Darwin Award.


It's a disorder bud, not the cold, you can't just one day get up and decide "Right, I'm overcoming my ADHD today". Granted you do have a point and can resist the urge to go around on a hyper frenzy smashing up everything in your path with a giant hammer. In fact compared to alot of other people I know with ADHD I've done pretty well for myself, it's hard to tell I even have it, but it'll still be with me, you can't just get rid of it. :P







Maybe saying you'll overcome ADHD would be better stated as - 'I'm not going to let ADHD hinder or prevent me from achieving my goals.' From my own example, my family member(s), & the people I know with this brain difference, I've observed how they end up dealing with it has a great deal to do with their personality. Highly competitive people's driving force won't give up easily on a problem so they'll find a new way to achieve results. Optimistic types don't let the complications get them down, but those with a more pessimistic personality will complain, make excuses, or blame some-one/thing else. The personality, that which distinguishes us from others, will determine the way we may react to our personal conflicts w/ ADHD.

A big step toward functionally "overcoming" ADHD is overriding the knee jerk habit of reacting when we should be practicing proactive behavior. Regardless of the individual's personality, it boils down to the attitudes chosen. We may not be able to effectively change the physical anomalies of our brains, but how we choose to feel about ourselves, how we choose to behave in a situation, the way we treat others-- these are definitely within our control, & with practice and desire can make our lives easier, better & more productive.

"There is no try, there is DO & DO NOT. " -- Jedi Master Yoda
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well adhd should be approached with the right type of intervention...
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Being able to multi-task is pointless if you're constantly diverging from the tasks that you need to be doing at the moment to things you shouldn't be doing, or if you can't focus on any task long enough to complete it, which is usually the case with ADHD.
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Well, I multi-task, but I don't finish the first task before moving to the next one. I keep back n forth, skip, passed, reverse, slide to the left, slide to the right, one hop this time, two hops this time, criscross, cha cha real smooth, and everyone clap on your knees kind of thing.
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If you've seen the movie "The Weatherman", with Nicholas Cage, there is this 'tarter sauce' scene, where his character has this monologue going on in his head..... this is a great example of the ADHD brain in operation.
The problem isn't an ability to mutli-task, it's the inability to stay on task. I like to say the only consistent thing about me is my inconsistentcy!

Again, as to whether this anomaly is a matter of evolution, I'm still wondering. There are strong indications it is genetic, & in evidence with regularity among families and for generations.
How long should something be tracked and measured before a designation of an evolutionary change can be given?
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How long should something be tracked and measured before a designation of an evolutionary change can be given?


If a new trait or behavior is a result of changes in a population's genome, then it is an evolutionary change. If ADHD wasn't common before everyone started being diagnosed with in recent years, then it's prominence now means an evolutionary change has occurred within the human genome. But if it has always been around before it was identified as a disorder then nothing has changed, so it's not evolution.
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farmbird wrote:

How long should something be tracked and measured before a designation of an evolutionary change can be given?


If a new trait or behavior is a result of changes in a population's genome, then it is an evolutionary change. If ADHD wasn't common before everyone started being diagnosed with in recent years, then it's prominence now means an evolutionary change has occurred within the human genome. But if it has always been around before it was identified as a disorder then nothing has changed, so it's not evolution.




Thanks! but I guess the proof of past ADHD claims, being after the fact of today's diagnostic criteria, would be difficult to discern?

I've read several books on ADHD, with some of the authors/editors surmising the potential of ADHD factors evident in people long past. My favorite guess was Leonardo di Vinci, which really does make sense. Well, we may never know for sure.
Then that is the real question, whether or not ADHD has been around a long time or is a new phenomenon.
P.S. that Grrr is great! I always stop & watch-- one of my fav toons.
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I`m not gonna be making a severely long statement. Though I was diagnosed with ADHD and no longer take medication to maintain concentration. It seems the only issue I have is memory lapse thats about it. Though I`m an aviation elctrician where my job can either take lives or save them. The severity is not to clear but to be honest psychological disabilites have benefits.
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