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One of the many controversial topics of the modern world is nuclear proliferation, especially where Iran is concerned. What’s your take on the issue and what do you see in the future? Well, first let me fill you in on a general background in case you’re not entirely following the issue.

Basically, Iran agreed to halt its active nuclear weapons programs in 2003 by signing a variety of treaties including the NPT. International intelligence operatives concluded that yes indeed they had halted active nuclear weapons programs and US intelligence found no evidence that the programs had been re-activated when they investigated in mid-2007. Iran has been building a nuclear power plant, but recently it was discovered that, in secret, they’re constructing a second nuclear site.

Iran says that the nuclear sites will be used strictly for power purposes but have recently developed and began testing a missile system able to carry an atomic warhead and capable of reaching Tel Aviv, Israel’s most populated city. We’re being told that Iran’s preparing 3,000 centimeters for enrichment. Fariborz Ghadar, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and professor at Penn State University, says that this large quantity is inappropriately large for power purposes and more suited for military purposes.

It should also be noted that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has expressed the belief that he has been sent by god to ‘wipe Israel off the map.’ This being said Iran is an Islamic republic and Ahmadinejad doesn’t have enough power to make any such decision by himself because he has to work with a council of religious leaders.

Alright, your take?

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUsKILSRhqc
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7498214.stm

Personally, I think Iran’s just asking for trouble. The last time they attempted to produce nuclear weapons Israel preemptively bombed them and pretty much said, “And we’ll do it again.” The Iranians feel that Israel and the United States are robbing them of their right to use nuclear power which would allow them to power their cities without using oil-which they prefer to trade abroad.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and other world leaders say that Iran's program cannot be accepted and must be stopped, pressuring for more severe sanctions.
Posted 9/29/09
With all intentions and indications of Iranians' nuclear program suggesting that the development could be anything but industrial, I don't think the current Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is being reasonable. Especially when nuclear technology isn't anything new, and current evidences show that the Iranians' nuclear program can develop something of a weapon grade project. I must ask can the current Iran government be trusted to have such power? Do the Iranians understand the responsibility of possessing genocidal weapons? When we all know just what they're capable of with their current military power, as well as their military objectives.
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I think we should be more worried about North Korea. Their leader is alot more crazy than Ahmadinejad, and they already tested out nuclear weapons.

But what Iran's doing does seem very suspicious.
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I just hope the whole world gets nuked maybe it would better off if everyone FUCKING DIES =__=
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Yei wrote:

I think we should be more worried about North Korea. Their leader is alot more crazy than Ahmadinejad, and they already tested out nuclear weapons.

But what Iran's doing does seem very suspicious.


Well, like I said. Ahmadinejad isn't really all that powerful because Iran is an Islamic republic. So I agree. Korea's a much bigger threat.I think it’s strange that we pay so much attention to Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Israel, and the likes. I mean, the humanitarian crisis in North Korea is a much bigger problem than the mistreatment of protestors and the execution of children in Iran. They’re literally crucifying people for expressing religious beliefs…
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I just hope the whole world gets nuked maybe it would better off if everyone FUCKING DIES =__=


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I just hope the whole world gets nuked maybe it would better off if everyone FUCKING DIES =__=


You know, I saw this thing about what would happen if a nuclear war broke out and you’d be amazed at how many people will actually survive… I say will because if Iran nukes Israel then the United States will get involved and then Israel will nuke Iran which’ll bring Russia into it and our nations have already almost nuked each other over the Arabs and Israelis before…
Posted 9/29/09 , edited 9/29/09

SeraphAlford wrote:
I think it’s strange that we pay so much attention to Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Israel, and the likes. I mean, the humanitarian crisis in North Korea is a much bigger problem than the mistreatment of protestors and the execution of children in Iran. They’re literally crucifying people for expressing religious beliefs…


EDIT: Ooops, I just quoted myself somehow.
Well from a military standpoint, what should be the North Korean military objective?

I've found this 2003 PDF file entitled North Korea Military Strategy offered some insights just how shortsighted they were, now that their nation is no longer capable of sustaining conventional military takeover due to lack of resources: http://www.carlisle.army.mil/USAWC/Parameters/03spring/hodge.pdf

Therefore I think the North Korean nuclear program is more of a political rather than a militaristic reason. In other words, political bargain chips.
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Then we should questioning about Pakistan and India's nuclear too.
Pakistan possessing nuclear technology is more dangerous and it's a threat to its neighbor, India. Recall the Mumbai's terrorist attack. If Nuclear in Pakistan not closely monitored, it'd be handed over by extremist.

Quote from http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-565874/another-war-in-the-works-america-is-led-informed-by-liars/
First the facts: As a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty, Iran’s nuclear facilities are open to inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency, which carefully monitors Iran’s nuclear energy program to make certain that no material is diverted to nuclear weapons.

The IAEA has monitored Iran’s nuclear energy program and has announced repeatedly that it has found no diversion of nuclear material to a weapons program. All 16 US intelligence agencies have affirmed and reaffirmed that Iran abandoned interest in nuclear weapons years ago.

In keeping with the safeguard agreement that the IAEA be informed before an enrichment facility comes online, Iran informed the IAEA on September 21 that it had a new nuclear facility under construction. By informing the IAEA, Iran fulfilled its obligations under the safeguards agreement. The IAEA will inspect the facility and monitor the nuclear material produced to make sure it is not diverted to a weapons program.

Despite these unequivocal facts, Obama announced on September 25 that Iran has been caught with a "secret nuclear facility" with which to produce a bomb that would threaten the world.

The Obama regime’s claim that Iran is not in compliance with the safeguards agreement is disinformation. Between the end of 2004 and early 2007, Iran voluntarily complied with an additional protocol (Code 3.1) that was never ratified and never became a legal part of the safeguards agreement. The additional protocol would have required Iran to notify the IAEA prior to beginning construction of a new facility, whereas the safeguards agreement in force requires notification prior to completion of a new facility. Iran ceased its voluntary compliance with the unratified additional protocol in March 2007, most likely because of the American and Israeli misrepresentations of Iran’s existing facilities and military threats against them.

By accusing Iran of having a secret "nuclear weapons program" and demanding that Iran "come clean" about the nonexistent program, adding that he does not rule out a military attack on Iran, Obama mimics the discredited Bush regime’s use of nonexistent Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction" to set up Iraq for invasion.


Should read this too http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-565877/iranian-nuke-facility-revelation-countdown-to-war-begins/#27942941

Israel has always steadfastly refused to join the NPT, and when the possibility that they could be pressured to do so was raised as the Obamaites were flocking to Washington to take power, the idea was quickly shot down. That a U.S. government official had even mentioned Israel in relation to its well-known possession of nukes was denounced by the Israelis and their American amen corner as a "violation" of a supposedly 40-year agreement between the U.S. and Israel that Washington would not only give the Israelis a pass, but would refrain from even referring to the existence of Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

Which means: quite apart from evidence – or the absence of it – that the Iranians are actively trying to acquire nuclear weapons, we aren’t allowed to even talk about why they would possibly want them.

Israel has been threatening Iran with military action for quite some time, and, armed as the former is with a formidable nuclear arsenal, the Iranians would be foolish not to take the Israelis seriously. However, the biggest weapon in the Israeli quiver isn’t nukes, it’s their "special relationship" with the U.S., and the Iranians know it.

The devastation and occupation of Iraq had barely begun when Ariel Sharon publicly stated that America’s next target must be Iran, and the U.S. has dutifully taken up this charge, in spite of Obama’s guff about engaging in "dialogue" with Tehran. That’s just window-dressing for the liberals who supported him on account of his antiwar credentials.




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Posted 9/29/09

Ryutai-Desk wrote:
Then we should questioning about Pakistan and India's nuclear too.
Pakistan possessing nuclear technology is more dangerous and it's a threat to its neighbor, India. Recall the Mumbai's terrorist attack. If Nuclear in Pakistan not closely monitored, it'd be handed over by extremist.

Quote from http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-565874/another-war-in-the-works-america-is-led-informed-by-liars/
First the facts: As a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty, Iran’s nuclear facilities are open to inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency, which carefully monitors Iran’s nuclear energy program to make certain that no material is diverted to nuclear weapons.

The IAEA has monitored Iran’s nuclear energy program and has announced repeatedly that it has found no diversion of nuclear material to a weapons program. All 16 US intelligence agencies have affirmed and reaffirmed that Iran abandoned interest in nuclear weapons years ago.

In keeping with the safeguard agreement that the IAEA be informed before an enrichment facility comes online, Iran informed the IAEA on September 21 that it had a new nuclear facility under construction. By informing the IAEA, Iran fulfilled its obligations under the safeguards agreement. The IAEA will inspect the facility and monitor the nuclear material produced to make sure it is not diverted to a weapons program.

Despite these unequivocal facts, Obama announced on September 25 that Iran has been caught with a "secret nuclear facility" with which to produce a bomb that would threaten the world.

The Obama regime’s claim that Iran is not in compliance with the safeguards agreement is disinformation. Between the end of 2004 and early 2007, Iran voluntarily complied with an additional protocol (Code 3.1) that was never ratified and never became a legal part of the safeguards agreement. The additional protocol would have required Iran to notify the IAEA prior to beginning construction of a new facility, whereas the safeguards agreement in force requires notification prior to completion of a new facility. Iran ceased its voluntary compliance with the unratified additional protocol in March 2007, most likely because of the American and Israeli misrepresentations of Iran’s existing facilities and military threats against them.

By accusing Iran of having a secret "nuclear weapons program" and demanding that Iran "come clean" about the nonexistent program, adding that he does not rule out a military attack on Iran, Obama mimics the discredited Bush regime’s use of nonexistent Iraqi "weapons of mass destruction" to set up Iraq for invasion.


Should read this too http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-565877/iranian-nuke-facility-revelation-countdown-to-war-begins/#27942941

Israel has always steadfastly refused to join the NPT, and when the possibility that they could be pressured to do so was raised as the Obamaites were flocking to Washington to take power, the idea was quickly shot down. That a U.S. government official had even mentioned Israel in relation to its well-known possession of nukes was denounced by the Israelis and their American amen corner as a "violation" of a supposedly 40-year agreement between the U.S. and Israel that Washington would not only give the Israelis a pass, but would refrain from even referring to the existence of Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

Which means: quite apart from evidence – or the absence of it – that the Iranians are actively trying to acquire nuclear weapons, we aren’t allowed to even talk about why they would possibly want them.

Israel has been threatening Iran with military action for quite some time, and, armed as the former is with a formidable nuclear arsenal, the Iranians would be foolish not to take the Israelis seriously. However, the biggest weapon in the Israeli quiver isn’t nukes, it’s their "special relationship" with the U.S., and the Iranians know it.

The devastation and occupation of Iraq had barely begun when Ariel Sharon publicly stated that America’s next target must be Iran, and the U.S. has dutifully taken up this charge, in spite of Obama’s guff about engaging in "dialogue" with Tehran. That’s just window-dressing for the liberals who supported him on account of his antiwar credentials.




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I think at this point we should look at the big picture of nuclear weapon strategy on a global scale. When the world going into a nuclear war is a serious possibility with developing nations arming themselves with nuclear weapons. We should be thinking about their own individual reasons for them obtaining nuclear war capabilities. And disarm the situation by resolving their strategies and reasoning. Otherwise it's going to be missile defense talk once again, only this time is the developed nations against developing nations.
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The information in the post you cited is incorrect, Ryu. The IAEA has been monitoring Iran’s nuclear programs but part of what’s so terrifying about this whole ordeal is that they didn’t know about this second nuclear site until well after its creation. Iran DID NOT come out and announce the construction of this second nuclear plant before hand as they were obligated to. Eventually they did come clean but only AFTER the United States intelligence discovered the illegal, undercover facility. The idea that Iran’s refusal to acknowledge international demands that they halt enriching uranium in portions appropriate ONLY for weapons is due to the US’ misrepresentation of their program is baseless.

The strange focus on Obama and an attempt to compare him to Bush is also idiotic and absurd. Bush’s accusations were based on false information while Obama’s are confirmed by the international community; moreover, why focus on the US president when the French president is just as aggressive as Obama is being? Gordon Brown’s right there with them.

As far as Israel threatening Iran, both nations have tossed aggressive words back and forward. However, Israel’s major proclamation of violence is that if Iran attempts to get nuclear weaponry Israel will bomb them to prevent them from destroying Israel. Israel has never threatened to ‘wipe Iran off the map,’ or said anything to at all suggest any intention of using nuclear weaponry. The Iranian president, on the other hand, has made it very clear that he’s divinely mandated to obliterate Israel. To use his words he will ‘wipe Israel off the map.’

Tell me, if they don’t intend to use the nuclear weapons on Israel why are they developing them simultaneously with a missile system designed to carry a nuclear warhead and reach Tel Aviv (which the president has already said would be his first target in Israel,)?

There’s absolutely zero risk of Israel nuking Iran unprovoked. Israel has had nuclear weapons for a long time and hasn’t done it yet, though they’ve had ample opportunity. Iran halted its nuclear weapons programs in 2003 and then reinstated them in 2005 (albeit under the table, before getting caught by the US.) They’re just suddenly afraid? It’s not a problem in 2004 but BAM it’s a problem, with no catalyst, in 2005?

And if they’re not trying to build a nuclear weapon then why the enriched uranium in scopes appropriate ONLY for nuclear weapons?
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The information in the post you cited is incorrect, Ryu. The IAEA has been monitoring Iran’s nuclear programs but part of what’s so terrifying about this whole ordeal is that they didn’t know about this second nuclear site until well after its creation. Iran DID NOT come out and announce the construction of this second nuclear plant before hand as they were obligated to. Eventually they did come clean but only AFTER the United States intelligence discovered the illegal, undercover facility. The idea that Iran’s refusal to acknowledge international demands that they halt enriching uranium in portions appropriate ONLY for weapons is due to the US’ misrepresentation of their program is baseless.

The strange focus on Obama and an attempt to compare him to Bush is also idiotic and absurd. Bush’s accusations were based on false information while Obama’s are confirmed by the international community; moreover, why focus on the US president when the French president is just as aggressive as Obama is being? Gordon Brown’s right there with them.

As far as Israel threatening Iran, both nations have tossed aggressive words back and forward. However, Israel’s major proclamation of violence is that if Iran attempts to get nuclear weaponry Israel will bomb them to prevent them from destroying Israel. Israel has never threatened to ‘wipe Iran off the map,’ or said anything to at all suggest any intention of using nuclear weaponry. The Iranian president, on the other hand, has made it very clear that he’s divinely mandated to obliterate Israel. To use his words he will ‘wipe Israel off the map.’

Tell me, if they don’t intend to use the nuclear weapons on Israel why are they developing them simultaneously with a missile system designed to carry a nuclear warhead and reach Tel Aviv (which the president has already said would be his first target in Israel,)?

There’s absolutely zero risk of Israel nuking Iran unprovoked. Israel has had nuclear weapons for a long time and hasn’t done it yet, though they’ve had ample opportunity. Iran halted its nuclear weapons programs in 2003 and then reinstated them in 2005 (albeit under the table, before getting caught by the US.) They’re just suddenly afraid? It’s not a problem in 2004 but BAM it’s a problem, with no catalyst, in 2005?

And if they’re not trying to build a nuclear weapon then why the enriched uranium in scopes appropriate ONLY for nuclear weapons?


Might some are false but we shouldn't deny the truth in it. Especially about Iran's cooperation with IAEA.
A recent House of Representatives committee report on Iran's nuclear capability is “outrageous and dishonest” in trying to make a case that Tehran's program is geared toward making weapons, a senior official of the U.N. nuclear watchdog has said.

The letter, obtained by The Associated Press on Thursday outside a 35-nation board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency, says the report is false in saying Iran is making weapons-grade uranium at an experimental enrichment site, when it has in fact produced material only in small quantities that is far below the level that can be used in nuclear arms.

Links to official website http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Dpr/pressreview.html
Focused on Iran http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Focus/IaeaIran/index.shtml

Iran's leaders have worked to pursue nuclear energy technology since the 1950, spurred by the launch of U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Atoms for Peace program. It made steady progress, with Western help, through the early 1970s. Same goes to Pakistan, their Nuclear power was being built by American Machine and Foundry.

Also it has been stated that Iran would allows inspection from IAEA officer to check the new plant.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/26/iran.nuclear/index.html

IV. General Understandings

1. These modalities cover all remaining issues and the Agency confirmed that there are no other remaining issues and ambiguities regarding Iran's past nuclear program and activities.

2. The Agency agreed to provide Iran with all remaining questions according to the above work plan. This means that after receiving the questions, no other questions are left. Iran will provide the Agency with the required clarifications and information.

3. The Agency's delegation is of the view that the agreement on the above issues shall further promote the efficiency of the implementation of safeguards in Iran and its ability to conclude the exclusive peaceful nature of the Iran's nuclear activities.

4. The Agency has been able to verify the non-diversion of the declared nuclear materials at the enrichment facilities in Iran and has therefore concluded that it remains in peaceful use.

5. The Agency and Iran agreed that after the implementation of the above work plan and the agreed modalities for resolving the outstanding issues, the implementation of safeguards in Iran will be conducted in a routine manner.


China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya and many other countries in the world also opposed more sanctions to Iran. They say, Iran has been cooperated with IAEA and fully met the terms and conditions by IAEA. The more sanctions to Iran would not solve the problem, instead would be deeper. The only solution is to talk and knowing about Iran's intention, which is for energy, not merely accusing them for having nuclear weapon.

The funny thing is, as Obama declared to not build missile defence in East Europe, Russia seems saying they'll agree to put sanctions. What happened in higher-state of politics would not as same as what it described in citizen's state.

Anyone who still remember about 'Axis of Evil' would see this as repeated actions of accusing to countries which being labeled as 'enemy' by US. Oh, where is Biological Weapon? The reasons US told the world to attacked and occupying Iraq.

I feared the same things would happens again in the future. Iran will be attacked and just like what happened in Iraq. Innocent people being murdered, bombs are common incident in everyday life of Iraq people. Therefore, more chaos caused by arrogant power which is meant to protect people.
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With all intentions and indications of Iranians' nuclear program suggesting that the development could be anything but industrial, I don't think the current Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is being reasonable. Especially when nuclear technology isn't anything new, and current evidences show that the Iranians' nuclear program can develop something of a weapon grade project. I must ask can the current Iran government be trusted to have such power? Do the Iranians understand the responsibility of possessing genocidal weapons? When we all know just what they're capable of with their current military power, as well as their military objectives.


I could say same things to Pakistan, India and Israel. Those countries are not signed Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) including North Korea. Why the nations of the world not put any sanctions to those 3 countries while they're not even sign the treaty?

As we know Pakistan has its own terrorist, they have more dangerous conditions for having nuclear (feared would be used by terrorist) and its bad relation to India which also having Nuclear in their military. Why UN, EU, USA are not concerned about those 2 relationship which could lead to Nuclear War between Pakistan and India?

Under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), a signatory state has the right to enrich uranium to be used as fuel for civil nuclear power. Such states have to remain under inspection from the IAEA. Iran is under such inspection. Iran says it is simply doing what it is allowed to do under the treaty and intends only to enrich to the level needed for nuclear power station fuel. It blames the Security Council resolutions on political pressure from the US and its allies.

On 18 September 2009, President Ahmadinejad told NBC News: "We don't need nuclear weapons... it's not a part of our programmes and plans."

He said that nuclear-armed states should themselves give up their nuclear weapons.
Shortly afterwards Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who is reported to have issued a fatwa(rules by Sharia(Islamic Laws)) some time ago against nuclear weapons said: "We fundamentally reject nuclear weapons."

OTOH :
According to leaked intelligence, Israel has been developing nuclear weapons at its Dimona site in the Negev since 1958, and many nonproliferation analysts like David Albright estimate that Israel may have stockpiled between 100 to 200 warheads using the plutonium reprocessed from Dimona. The Israeli government refuses to confirm or deny possession of nuclear weapons, although this is now regarded as an open secret after Israeli low level nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu—later abducted and jailed by Israel—revealed the program to the British Sunday Times in 1986.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty

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]I think at this point we should look at the big picture of nuclear weapon strategy on a global scale. When the world going into a nuclear war is a serious possibility with developing nations arming themselves with nuclear weapons. We should be thinking about their own individual reasons for them obtaining nuclear war capabilities. And disarm the situation by resolving their strategies and reasoning. Otherwise it's going to be missile defense talk once again, only this time is the developed nations against developing nations.


About missile defense is all about paranoia from US and EU also it's about politic for Russia. Same goes to Iran's Nuclear, Biological Weapon and Axis of Evil which is laughable.

Having Nuclear weapon is like having a newest toy. Children(Nations of Europe and US) showing and bragging to their friends that they can afford such expensive toy. While certain kid(Iran) also can buy the toy, they don't like it. And they bully(sanctions) and trying to get the kid's toy. However, because the kid has backup from another strong kids(China & Russia). They can't merely get the toy. Knowing this, the children who trying to get the toy, offered an unspoken promise.

The children apparently had stepping(Missile Defense) into the kid's territory and saying they won't go to their(Russia) territory because they want to focused more on the kid's friend. Glad knowing the children will not causing trouble to their territory, the kid(Russia) speak to his friend(Iran) to give up his toy(Nuclear). What we should questioning is the interest of certain nations to their relationship of others which could divert their individual reasons.
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Ryutai you was quicker to respond to this thread then me but man I am amazed at your knowledge absoutely everything you typed is something I would have myself. To be honest I am not worried about Iran I dont see them as a threat. There is no proof of them creating nuclear weapons but a bunch of fear mongering politicians who keep saying he has weapons with zero proof. They disregard the IEA and our very own CIA intelligance. Is the USA complying to the IEA? What about israel who refuses to comply with the IEA (Hell do they comply with anything?). I dont know what gives Israel the right to bomb these sites trying to create some type of monopoly of them being the most powerful in the region and nobody can research nuke technology but them. Iran making threat to Israel is baseless and false yet another fear mongering attempt to justify an unjust attack. I dont see how any can see any difference from this situation and Iraq WMD accusations.

Also the lie that the west is using to further Iran from gaining any nuclear energy, "Israel must be wiped off the map." Did he really say that? Many farsi academics have refuted this claim and said, "wiped off the map was never used." Instead he said, "The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time," Similar to how America wants communism to vanish but we dont actually want to destroy all of Russia.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/260107offthemap.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155

Arash Norouzi also puts the exact quote in english farsi and translates it here.

The Actual Quote:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel."

The Proof:

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

So much more I want to post but gotta head to work. Anyways great analyzing skills Ryotai you going to be very bright when you get older.




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