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Iran’s Nuclear Ambition
Posted 10/5/09

Ryutai-Desk wrote:


blancer wrote:

Why are people here arguing against Irans nuclear program by saying how bad is Iran? In communist Russia, they killed more people because of religion, political views or nationality then there are people alive in whole Middle east. And they have nuclear power, but they STILL have not dropped the bomb, even when huge parts of old USSR decided to proclaim independence,plus they were engaged in lots of wars, more political and more serious to the rest of the world then Israel/Iran, and they never used nuclear weapons.

I think that middle east needs balance, and that balance would not be achieved if only Israel has nuclear weapons. Have you ever wondered what would happened to Russia if they didnt have nuclear weapons to counter US?


Correct, all countries has its bad and good side. Therefore, that's not meant they can't have Nuclear power. After all, countries that has been doing worse things than Iran still have Nuclear WEAPON, but nobody want to talks about it because of political reasons.

a question : Have you ever wondered what would happened to US if they didn't have nuclear weapons to counter China and Soviet? By all means, Americans must be desperate to make one. Even they're gonna build Nuclear Weapons by violate International laws


But it's okay for America to have nukes ?? Believe me we do the stockpiled somewhere around in this country.
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


blancer wrote:

Why are people here arguing against Irans nuclear program by saying how bad is Iran? In communist Russia, they killed more people because of religion, political views or nationality then there are people alive in whole Middle east. And they have nuclear power, but they STILL have not dropped the bomb, even when huge parts of old USSR decided to proclaim independence,plus they were engaged in lots of wars, more political and more serious to the rest of the world then Israel/Iran, and they never used nuclear weapons.

I think that middle east needs balance, and that balance would not be achieved if only Israel has nuclear weapons. Have you ever wondered what would happened to Russia if they didnt have nuclear weapons to counter US?


Correct, all countries has its bad and good side. Therefore, that's not meant they can't have Nuclear power. After all, countries that has been doing worse things than Iran still have Nuclear WEAPON, but nobody want to talks about it because of political reasons.

a question : Have you ever wondered what would happened to US if they didn't have nuclear weapons to counter China and Soviet? By all means, Americans must be desperate to make one. Even they're gonna build Nuclear Weapons by violate International laws


But it's okay for America to have nukes ?? Believe me we do the stockpiled somewhere around in this country.


Balance needs two sides. America/Russia, Pakistan/India, then you have China/America. Or how it was in the past: Warshaw pact/NATO. But there is Israel/-.
Unfortunately world needs your rockets. As much as Arab world needs theirs. Then west will be more careful in their relationship toward Arabs. But that is just lots of maybes and wishful thinking. It is just that in recent history, when two major powers in the area obtained equal power, their conflict usually stopped, or it was moved to other areas such as diplomacy and economy, or it was hushed down to few fights on borderland and major media war, such as India/Pakistan conflict.
Posted 10/5/09

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DomFortress wrote:

You can leave Israel out of this. Because they are not the ones that's subjugating Jews under isolated confinement, while calling that a fatwa for protection.

And you still haven't answer my question regarding your understanding about the negative effects of isolated confinement on an individual level. Because if you don't, you won't understand just how are the Iranian Muslims are doing to the Jews in Iran is a social reform under the pretense of religious doctrine.


Mind to elaborate what confinement you're talking about?
From what we've talked about. It's pretty much describe how Jews people in Iran are not being put under pressure or something. Even though some feel that way, it because of Israel did always being associated by Jews, when Jews over the world condemn what Israel did.

Their system pretty much fair for its people (Jews and Muslims)as developing country, unlike others. Of course not all of their system are good. But that apply to all countries on the world

Do try to be a dear and look up the subject before you jump into someone's discussion:

DomFortress wrote:

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And here's something for you to think about: In both social science and medical science, the kinds of people that need isolated confinement treatment in the western society are criminals, refugees, and mental health patients.


Ryutai-Desk wrote:


blancer wrote:

Why are people here arguing against Irans nuclear program by saying how bad is Iran? In communist Russia, they killed more people because of religion, political views or nationality then there are people alive in whole Middle east. And they have nuclear power, but they STILL have not dropped the bomb, even when huge parts of old USSR decided to proclaim independence,plus they were engaged in lots of wars, more political and more serious to the rest of the world then Israel/Iran, and they never used nuclear weapons.

I think that middle east needs balance, and that balance would not be achieved if only Israel has nuclear weapons. Have you ever wondered what would happened to Russia if they didnt have nuclear weapons to counter US?


Correct, all countries has its bad and good side. Therefore, that's not meant they can't have Nuclear power. After all, countries that has been doing worse things than Iran still have Nuclear WEAPON, but nobody want to talks about it because of political reasons.

a question : Have you ever wondered what would happened to US if they didn't have nuclear weapons to counter China and Soviet? By all means, Americans must be desperate to make one. Even they're gonna build Nuclear Weapons by violate International laws

Remember that I advised you to "start thinking about the causes-and-effects, and not just focusing on the results"?Those international treaties on nuclear weapons were created after the US already stockpiled their own: http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/database/usnukes.html

Besides, Middle-Eastern region cannot have balance without achieving understanding through negotiations. Not nuclear weapons. Otherwise you're asking Iran to act like the child who wants to play with genocide. Israel had kept their words on none nuclear aggression toward Iran without signing anything, when their action speaks louder than words.

The US nuclear weapon strategy is setup so that only the president can approve a nuclear weapon launch. And now that all US nuclear missiles are reassigned to defensive purpose, this means the US president doesn't launch a single nuclear missile except in retaliation during a nuclear attack on the US or one of their allies.

So you should be thanking President Obama is willing to negotiate with Iran about the Iranian nuclear weapon program, as requested by one of the US allies; Israel. However I still can't trust the current Iranian president due to him "playing dumb, being vague, acting incompetent."
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So where is this cant thrive in society you have to be more clear here please because some Jews are loving Iran right now. And the reason why the Jews in Iran have declined because of the state of Israel and many migrated their in the belief that thats their homeland which is acceptable. If you notice also in your links it says ANTI ISRAEL NOT ANTI JEW!!!! Now to be honest with you Iran doesnt have a perfect system I dont agree with some aspects of their Islamic law but it their country and we cannot but in. According to Israel if your a Jew you automatically have citizenship so if these Jews truly felt they arent welcomed they could leave. It just doesnt make any sense that out of all the arab countries Iran is the second largest country to house Jews outside of Israel even tho they are mostly anti-Israel.

Now check this out Israel has nuclear weapons, will not comply with the NPT treats non Jews like second class citizens. Where is the outcry for them to get rid of their nukes? Where is the sanctions? How do we know they dont want to spread that ideology around the world according to your analogy? You see our country is so hypocritical it is the reason why we look so bad around the world and we lose much of our credibility.

You can leave Israel out of this. Because they are not the ones that's subjugating Jews under isolated confinement, while calling that a fatwa for protection.

And you still haven't answer my question regarding your understanding about the negative effects of isolated confinement on an individual level. Because if you don't, you won't understand just how are the Iranian Muslims are doing to the Jews in Iran is a social reform under the pretense of religious doctrine.


My friend first of all Israel is every bit involved in this because it is a country with nukes, not signed to the NPT trying to convince the world about Iran is signed with the NPT with no nukes that they are secretly creating nukes not obeying international law. How is it that you can accept Israel who never obeys international law idea to criticize another country about obeying it? Sounds kinda silly doesnt it? Also why would Israel a Jewish country subjugate Jews that statement made absolutely no sense. Now I am not going to answer your question because I dont believe these people are being isolated. They can vote, practice their religion and even get their kosher meats. I even showed you proof how some love Iran and even agree with the Islamic law they have their. Therefore your question wont be answered. Iranian muslims are doing nothing to the Jews because if it were such a problem many of the Jews there would leave to Israel which some has already have because thats their state of their own and they are automatically granted citizenship. Yet Iran still maintains a large population of them meaning they have no problems living in that country.

Back to the purpose of our whole discussion. You made a false statement when you debated with Ryu . You talked about your jaywalking experience as to show how you o bide by the law unless it is something minor. So now you try to compare that to Iran by saying it is a major crime to not convert to Islam. So I challenged you on that statement saying there are Jews practicing their religion freely in Iran. Therefore you were unable to provide any evidence as of now that you have to convert to Islam or you will get locked away. You tried to divert it by talking about the treatment of Jews in Iran. To be honest this is a muslim country so of course a Jew will never be the president or rise as high as muslim in politics. If you think of it is the same as many countries look at Israel. You think they will ever have an arab muslim president? What about china you think a Mexican will ever rule that country or ever rise as high as a chinese man? That is culture my friend luckily in America we are the only country in the world that will allow equailty for all. But just because another country isnt doing it doesnt mean we can force some type of regime change. Iran isnt killing anyone, invaded nobody, not occupying anyone while the two major countries USA and Israel are doing just the opposite.

You see there are a lot of falsehoods around iran and blank statements such as him dodging questions which you failed to show or any other assumptions including himi making nuclear weapons which you still fail to show demonstrates the lies and propaganda setup about this country to start another war. This same was done to Iraq demonization of it by character assasinations soon when Americans thought he was the most horrendous person on earth then the media proceed with saying WMD after everytime they mentioned Iraq to make your brain believe what they say without proof.
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Posted 10/6/09

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Ryutai-Desk wrote:

Correct, all countries has its bad and good side. Therefore, that's not meant they can't have Nuclear power. After all, countries that has been doing worse things than Iran still have Nuclear WEAPON, but nobody want to talks about it because of political reasons.

a question : Have you ever wondered what would happened to US if they didn't have nuclear weapons to counter China and Soviet? By all means, Americans must be desperate to make one. Even they're gonna build Nuclear Weapons by violate International laws


But it's okay for America to have nukes ?? Believe me we do the stockpiled somewhere around in this country.


I know. But never mind that, I didn't expect someone doesn't understand my sarcasm question.
I mean... you know US government always been...
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Posted 10/6/09 , edited 10/6/09

Ryutai-Desk wrote:


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The Iranians do kill. They practice child execution... One of the laws regarding non Muslims is that the government controls your faith. Christian churches and Jewish synagogues have to register with the Muslim leaders in oder to open a church (and they are rejected often). No other religion is allowed to put anything into print, churches are not even allowed to print bullitents on Sunday for their members.

If a Christian or Jew talks to a Muslim about their religion (or proselytize) they may be punished by death, if a Muslim converts from Islam then they are put to death. There isn't religious freedom and equality, and many things merit the death penalty (among others are being a homosexual, alcohol, and blaspheming Islam or Muhammad). If you aren't of the Shi'a Muslim majority then you are under intense government persecution and restricted freedoms (even Shiite Muslims are restricted, although I can't confirm this).


I doubt it very much. Homosexual is true, but that apply to other religion like Christian and Jews too. Because it destroys the principle og humanity itself. Do you even dare to blaspheming a majority of religion itself in a Islamis Republic? No one stupid enough...

Any sources you'd like to post? If you don't have, then it's only baseless accusation. The same thing US media always mentions it. If you have, let me know then I'll happily analyze it and explain it to you.


Sorry for the late reply, I have been busy. But I have found some proofs.

Apostasy from Islam is punishable by death. If a Muslim leaves Islam they are killed for it, and if you convert anyone away from Islam you are killed for it too. Here is a Human Rights Watch report regarding religious freedom (persecution) in Iran. http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1997/iran/Iran-05.htm

The persecution of Iran's evangelical Christians intensified during the 1990's. In December 1990, Reverend Hossein Soodmand, a pastor in the Evangelical Christian Church who had converted to Christianity from Islam, was sentenced to death by a revolutionary court in Mashad and executed. He was charged with apostasy and insulting Islam through his own conversion and by his efforts to convert other Muslims.

One man was held prisoner without even having a trial/

In December 1993, Reverend Mehdi Dibaj was sentenced to death by a Revolutionary Court in Sari. He had been detained in 1983 in Babol, where he was a minister of the Church of the Assemblies of God, and held for ten years without trial on charges of apostasy and insulting Islam. Rev. Dibaj had converted from Islam to Christianity in 1948.

It is law that if you leave Islam you are put to death, if you convert a Muslim you are put to death. This is restriction of religious freedom.

Not just this, but there is also a law in Iran that states that only a Shi'ite Muslim may run for president. No Jew, Christian, Sunni Muslim, or any other faith may run for president. They also treat fellow Muslims with persecution. Iran is runed by Shi'ia Muslims, Sunnis are a minority but they are still oppressed.

We Muslim Sunni of Iran bear with daily insults ushered at us by the Shi'a clergy. They destroy our mosques to build and expand theirs, they humiliate our most sacred men and values in the officially controlled media, they encourage religious wars between Sunnis and Shi'as, they arrest, torture and kill Sunni Muftis and personalities, force Sunnis to convert to Shi'ism, forbid Sunni teaching in the schools in Sunni dominated areas, refer to Sunni ulama as apostates, and produce many volumes on Shi'ism while forbidding the printing of Sunni books.45


Jews are persecuted as well similarly to Christians and Sunni Muslims. Jews have been trying to flee the country. Twenty years ago there were 75,000 to 80,000 Jews living in Iran, now there are only about 25,000 to 30,000 (source http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35497.htm Jews are specifically targeted and imprisoned if they even support Israel. Not only are they religiously oppressed but they are also politically oppressed. Synagogues are closely monitored to make sure they aren't sending money to help Israel or even supporting Israel in their own personal opinions.

In summation... Basically all non Shi'ite Muslims in Iran are persecuted by the government and in society. No non Shi'ite may run for president. Minority groups are oppressed. Although Christians, Jews, and Zoroasters are officially "protected" minority groups, they are still oppressed and do not have full rights as a Shi'ite Muslim would. Anyone who leaves Islam is put to death on charges of apostasy. Anyone who converts a Muslim (even a Shi'ite Muslim to Sunni Islam) is put to death. If you disagree with Islam or speak against Muhammad you are put to death or imprisoned on charges of blaspheming Islam or its prophet. Basically, even Muslims are persecuted (Sunnis) along with every other religious minority. Iran is hardly the place for religious freedom.
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Do try to be a dear and look up the subject before you jump into someone's discussion:

DomFortress wrote:

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And here's something for you to think about: In both social science and medical science, the kinds of people that need isolated confinement treatment in the western society are criminals, refugees, and mental health patients.


I know, that's why I asked what's kind of 'isolated confinement ' when we only find the good things about Jews life in Iran without discrimination and some Jews even said, Iranian Muslims are kinder to Jews than among Muslims themselves. Also, the Supreme Leader itself being more considerate to Jews by donate to Jew's social club and he distinguish between Zionist and Jews.
If you noticed, some incidents that are opposed Jews were happening during Revolution. That's why, but not now. Iranian know well, which one is Zionist (Israel) and Jews

And here's something for you to think about : In country with military taken control or a regime, the kinds of people that always been isolated confinement treatment in the 3rd world countries are political leader, opposition and its supporter. Therefore, do you know any of those people being isolated in Iran for political reasons? Those who protested in election were captured due to security reasons, not political.
This is not Myanmar, btw.


DomFortress wrote:

Ryutai-Desk wrote:


blancer wrote:

Why are people here arguing against Irans nuclear program by saying how bad is Iran? In communist Russia, they killed more people because of religion, political views or nationality then there are people alive in whole Middle east. And they have nuclear power, but they STILL have not dropped the bomb, even when huge parts of old USSR decided to proclaim independence,plus they were engaged in lots of wars, more political and more serious to the rest of the world then Israel/Iran, and they never used nuclear weapons.

I think that middle east needs balance, and that balance would not be achieved if only Israel has nuclear weapons. Have you ever wondered what would happened to Russia if they didnt have nuclear weapons to counter US?


Correct, all countries has its bad and good side. Therefore, that's not meant they can't have Nuclear power. After all, countries that has been doing worse things than Iran still have Nuclear WEAPON, but nobody want to talks about it because of political reasons.

a question : Have you ever wondered what would happened to US if they didn't have nuclear weapons to counter China and Soviet? By all means, Americans must be desperate to make one. Even they're gonna build Nuclear Weapons by violate International laws


Remember that I advised you to "start thinking about the causes-and-effects, and not just focusing on the results"?Those international treaties on nuclear weapons were created after the US already stockpiled their own: http://www.cdi.org/nuclear/database/usnukes.html

Besides, Middle-Eastern region cannot have balance without achieving understanding through negotiations. Not nuclear weapons. Otherwise you're asking Iran to act like the child who wants to play with genocide. Israel had kept their words on none nuclear aggression toward Iran without signing anything, when their action speaks louder than words.

The US nuclear weapon strategy is setup so that only the president can approve a nuclear weapon launch. And now that all US nuclear missiles are reassigned to defensive purpose, this means the US president doesn't launch a single nuclear missile except in retaliation during a nuclear attack on the US or one of their allies.

So you should be thanking President Obama is willing to negotiate with Iran about the Iranian nuclear weapon program, as requested by one of the US allies; Israel. However I still can't trust the current Iranian president due to him "playing dumb, being vague, acting incompetent."


Do try to be a dear and look up the subject before you jump into someone's discussion, ok my friend?
duh.... I know that's why US signed the treaty to not abusing their Nuclear. Remember when I posted about NPT?
As the NPT says "Five states are recognized by the NPT as nuclear weapon states (NWS): China, France, Russian, the UK and the US
Therefore, NNWS parties to the NPT agree not to "receive," "manufacture" or "acquire" nuclear weapons or to "seek or receive any assistance in the manufacture of nuclear weapons" NNWS parties also agree to accept safeguards by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to verify that they are not diverting nuclear energy from peaceful uses to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.


I will thanking him if he willing to talk, however he doesn't willing to talk as he stated (Which actually I've posted this too.)

"As I've said before, we support Iran's right to peaceful nuclear power," Mr. Obama added. He said for Iran to transfer low-enriched uranium to a third country for fuel fabrication "would be a step towards building confidence that Iran's program is in fact peaceful."

"Going forward, we expect to see swift action," he said. "We're committed to serious and meaningful engagement, but we're not interested in talking for the sake of talking."

"If Iran does not take steps in the near future to live up to its obligations, then the United States will not continue to negotiate indefinitely, and we are prepared to move towards increased pressure," he continued
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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/01/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5356467.shtml

He planning to put more sanctions, doesn't he? Same actions to what previous leader did.

Btw, I was being sarcastic about the US question, that's why I put lol emoticons

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Sorry, I have to shorten your post because the quotes are messed up.

Here from you links:
In February 1997, the head of the Revolutionary Court announced that Mahrami had been sentenced to death on charges of espionage for Israel.

The head of the judiciary, Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi, responding to U.S. State Department criticism of the death sentences, asserted, "No one in Iran will be prosecuted or punished for having a specific ideology or view."

Musa Talibi, who was also sentenced to death in February 1997 on charges of engaging in espionage for Israel, was originally arrested in June 1994 on charges of engaging in Baha'i practices and sentenced to eighteen months of imprisonment.


Besides, Human Rights Watch doesn't have credibility for what charges that had been put for prisoner. And we don't know if the reference are made up and being exaggerated.

The majority of Iran's approximately 200,000 Christians belong to churches identified with distinct ethnic groups, including the Armenian, Assyrian, and Chaldean Orthodox churches. These churches, which account for more than 90 percent of Iran's Christians, carry out their services in their own languages and have engaged in little if any proselytization in the broader society.

In contrast, most of the 10,000 to 15,000 Iranian Protestants carry out their church services in Farsi, the official language, and seek to disseminate the Bible and other Christian texts in Farsi. Having their origins in Western missionary activity during the nineteenth century, these churches are built on a tradition of evangelism and conversion from other Christian denominations and other religions, including Islam

Sunni Muslims are by far Iran's largest religious minority, making up as much as 20 percent of the population
. The great majority of Iranian Kurds, Baluchis and Turkamen are Sunni Muslims.


If they are indeed being threatened by government, then why are not moved now when Iranian can freely going abroad?
After all, those events were occurred before President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad taken office. So it's all different now.

By the way, why we're even talking about Iran's past? Does that related to the rights of Iran having nuclear? If you're looking for Iran's bloody past in dark age or some age. Then we also should questioning about China and US, correct?

China, when they can't tolerate Independence, pressure minority and always violating human rights across the country.
US, when they STILL violating human rights in prisons in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo.
After all, all countries has its own tragedy, no exception for Iran.

And Iran has been cooperated with IAEA until now. Also when they'll open its facilty for ispector on Oct 25.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/world/middleeast/05nuke.html?_r=1



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Iran, Palestine and Israel, What a contrast


We live in a crazy world; war-mongering nations lecturing about peace, nations that have trampled on UN Charter by invading Iraq using fabricated evidences are swearing allegiance to the UN Charter, and the massacre of civilians in Gaza is now certified by the UN as a war crime, but it does not make a blip in the UN Security Council radar. Then we witness nations armed with nuclear weapons making noise about nuclear proliferation, scorning Iran for seeking the same nuclear deterrence, concurrently ignoring the nuclear arsenal of Israel. This sort of blatant hypocrisy pithily describes the history of Middle East, from the betrayal of Sykes-Picot to the recent events, and this is the real source of anger in the streets.


Just compare the response from the western leaders to the publication of the recent UN report produced by Richard Goldstone on the Gaza Conflict, and revelations made by Iran of its nuclear site near the holy city of Qom. The former is a definite murder case testified by the countless victims lying in their pool of blood, whereas the latter is an administrative dispute between nations.


The UN report gives ‘pseudo legitimacy’ to the view that Israel had committed war crimes at the very least in its offensive against the civilians in Gaza. It was largely civilians, as no sane person will equate the lightly armed Hamas with their home made ‘rockets’ (which does not explode) to a conventional armed force. The report merely confirmed the obvious, the world witnessed the carnage and suffering inflicted on the trapped civilians in Gaza by the ‘brave’ Israeli soldiers. Israel has violated international law, and therefore, some kind of action is warranted but nobody dares to raise a finger against the sacred Zionist-Jews.


However, earlier I stated the report gives ‘pseudo legitimacy’, because legitimacy through the UN is dependent on the will of the leading western powers. In short, the UN is only effective when they want it to be. The west barely raised an eyebrow to the UN report, no calls for sanctions, or any form of action. Without any kind of enforcement, the UN report is a thesis of an academic student and it will remain academic, like the numerous UN resolutions issued against Israel.


In contrast, there was an instant, and a coordinated response by the western leaders to Iran announcing of a nuclear facility near the city of Qom, as if only now nuclear proliferation has become a serious problem. The sheer hypocrisy makes you see the with anger, as one by one, the western leaders followed Obama, and issued warnings to Iran for developing nuclear energy, forgetting the nuclear arsenal in their backyard. It reminded me of a pack of dogs, when one starts to bark the others follow.


Iran is still some distance from acquiring nuclear weapons, and the US already knew about the facility, no surprises there because it can be easily detected by advanced satellite technology. In that case, why did the US and its allies react sharply to Iran’s declaration? The coordinated response makes sense as it is part of a broader US policy to make Iran to conform to its desires, in particular the aspirations of the Zionist state. This partially explains the recent decision to abandon the missile defence plan that had infuriated Russia, clearing the way for closer cooperation on placing sanction on Iran. This was followed by the speech at the United Nations by Obama, appealing to strengthen the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.


Then Obama met Dimtry Medvedev, and Russia subsequently announced for the first time that it would consider applying sanctions on Iran, obviously reciprocating to the US move to abandon the missile defense plan. That leaves the only other nuclear member of the Security Council, China. Obama no doubt also discussed this issue in the recent meetings with the Chinese President Hu Jintao. Historically, China has always been the last passenger to board the US ship. It seems, Obama has been active in preparing to confront Iran, and the influence of the Israeli lobby embedded inside Obama’s administration is very clear.


Here is the commonsense view of a layperson. Israel is a certified war criminal, a serial killer that is pointing its nukes at its neighbors, in particular Iran; it is constantly ignoring and violating UN resolutions, and casually invades and bombs its neighbors when it wants to ‘feel’ secure. Despite all this, Iran is accused of being the guilty party here, just for acquiring nuclear energy. How can an administrative dispute take precedence over a murder case? From the Iranian perspective, the country is surrounded by US-led military bases, and constant Israeli threat of launching bombing raids; thus, Iran has ample justification to develop nuclear weapons to protect its borders from the unruly Spartans.





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Ryutai-Desk wrote:

Correct, all countries has its bad and good side. Therefore, that's not meant they can't have Nuclear power. After all, countries that has been doing worse things than Iran still have Nuclear WEAPON, but nobody want to talks about it because of political reasons.

a question : Have you ever wondered what would happened to US if they didn't have nuclear weapons to counter China and Soviet? By all means, Americans must be desperate to make one. Even they're gonna build Nuclear Weapons by violate International laws


But it's okay for America to have nukes ?? Believe me we do the stockpiled somewhere around in this country.


I know. But never mind that, I didn't expect someone doesn't understand my sarcasm question.
I mean... you know US government always been...


aww me i sorry ;__;
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aww me i sorry ;__;


It's okay, we're all cool ^_^

Btw, nice links drizza


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LMAO priceless picture which describes exactly whats going. While they still continue desperately to find a weapon in Iran Israel continues to stockpile its nukes with no inspection what so ever. Even when it was called for one they didnt comply. Can the hypocrisy be more evident especially when it comes to the middle east.
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LMAO priceless picture which describes exactly whats going. While they still continue desperately to find a weapon in Iran Israel continues to stockpile its nukes with no inspection what so ever. Even when it was called for one they didnt comply. Can the hypocrisy be more evident especially when it comes to the middle east.


Might as well spam this thread with pictures related since there's no response.











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Political cartoons don't equal the truth. I think the other threads are beginning to be taken over by this topic, so I am reviving it to encourage discussion here.

In response to your quote Ryutai- what you took from my sources was out of context... the whole point of that article was to expose Iran's human rights violations. The laws haven't changed and it is still a very oppressive nation.

Iran is a nation based off of Jihadist terrorism and racism. Their Imams say that Pokemon are Jew demons, they say Tom and Jerry was fabricated to bring support for Jews during WWII because Hitler called Jews mice/rats. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40VFcJTIduw(Warning, this guy is racist and says some very offensive things towards Jews, so watch at your own discretion). Nothing but racism and Jihad comes out of their mouths. Not just towards Jews, but towards Sunni Muslims as well. The Shi'a faith says that Sunnis are the lowest creature on earth, that they are more despised then dogs. Here is a source http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/shia_sunni.htm. It comes from an Islamic website as well. Most of the violence in the Middle East is between Sunni and Shi'a , and Iran is the major supporter of Shi'a violence and Sunni oppression.

We can see that Iran persecutes all non Shi'a Muslims, they deny the Holocaust out of hatred for Jews and Israel, and Ahmedinejad is a crazy terrorist who believes that America and Israel are the great and little satan. He believes once he nukes Israel and has a Jewish genocide that the 12th Imam (something only associated with Shi'a) will come out of a well and lead the revolt against the world which will end in all non Shi'a Muslims being murdered and the world conquered for them. This guy is 1)crazy and adheres to an apocalyptic form of terrorism 2) Racist against Jews and very discriminatory towards non Shi'a people. 3) Is lying about the Iranian nuclear program and is even developing missiles to launch the nukes as we speak... This is a grave threat to international security and must be stopped.
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No offense but you reek of Americanism.

I grew up in Africa, lived for 2 years in China and 3 years in the UK, I've been to loads of places and I can tell you that the US does not really have many allies.

The other side of the world do not really mind Iran having nukes.

America going to war again is awesome, they gonna have to borrow from the Chinese again, give Russia a political BJ, boost oil consumption and make the Arab states richer, and who knows maybe Israel gonna get nuked?

I'm not being anti-semitic or anti-US, I just want to make you guys conscious that there is only 1 loser to Iran having Nukes and its the US, the rest of the world really does not mind doing some good old war profiteering.

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