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Another War in the Works! America Is Led & Informed by Liars.
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Posted 10/1/09

Does anyone remember all the lies that they were told by President Bush and the "mainstream media" about the grave threat to America from weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? These lies were repeated endlessly in the print and TV media despite the reports from the weapons inspectors, who had been sent to Iraq, that no such weapons existed.


I don’t think you know what a lie is. You see, if you believe something to be true and say it that’s not a lie. Now, you may not be right but then you’re just wrong, not necessarily a liar. In fact Bush did receive reports from US intelligence and Russian intelligence basically saying, “We don’t know where the weapons are, but they’re there somewhere.”

The media gets its information from various sources, including the Whitehouse. So, when the Whitehouse is mistaken the media gets false information. That’s not a lie, and in fact the mainstream media in the United Kingdom made the same reports, although there were also some British stations that reported the opposite.


The weapons inspectors did an honest job in Iraq and told the truth, but the mainstream media did not emphasize their findings. Instead, the media served as a Ministry of Propaganda, beating the war drums for the US government.


The weapons inspectors were completely honest, but Iraq was not. Iraq, understandably protective of its secrets, put certain restrictions on the inspections. Basically they said, “Sure, we’ll let you come in and take a look but you’re going to do it when, where, and how we say.” Not offering up immediate and unfettered inspections is understandable but simultaneously suspicious.


Now the whole process is repeating itself. This time the target is Iran. As there is no real case against Iran, Obama took a script from Bush’s playbook and fabricated one.


Well, perhaps the process is repeating itself but there is a case. Iran’s behaving very suspiciously.

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I was in the middle of making a long post pointing out all the places where you’re full of shit and throwing down all the evidence that Iran is preparing nuclear weapons and then I got lazy. I guess there’s no point, clearly you’re not interested in actually discussing the issue. Just kind of neglecting to mention relevant datums and trying to label people and actions in an attempt to silence the opposition.

Iran's clearly making nukes, Obama's clearly not trying to prepair an invasion as all the actions he's taking against IRan are being done through the UN, and WoMDs or not Bush never would've gotten us into Iraq without 9/11.
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Posted 10/2/09
haha, link this to "americans are stupid" thread.
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Posted 10/2/09
Well...i like Obama so there really inst any need for discussion. I dont believe Obamas bad at all the media and others try to make him out to be the enemy when he really is not. Americas government has always been corrupt things havent really changed dont blame Obama for that shit.
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Posted 10/2/09

blancer wrote:

haha, link this to "americans are stupid" thread.


true dat.
The whole thread turned out for flaming and the so-called intelligent from that country can't accept the fact and accusing that the thread is BS... what a joke...
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Ryutai-Desk wrote:


blancer wrote:

haha, link this to "americans are stupid" thread.


true dat.
The whole thread turned out for flaming and the so-called intelligent from that country can't accept the fact and accusing that the thread is BS... what a joke...


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Posted 10/3/09

shirayukiIce wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


If conflicts were to be solved by bickering, the world will be overrun with bickering children brought up by rambling idiots.

This is also why I think the original topic is stupid, when the topic starter doesn't even know the finesse of diplomacy is to defuse actual conflicts that would led of war. For him accusing diplomatic policy of any kind as lies, while he acted out based on his own brand of accusation is a clear indication of he wanting wars.


I wasn't bickering.. I was telling him how stupid he was being.. and he told me he was a troll.. so thats your answer..
And do you have to take it to war.. jeez.. it wasnt that bad..



Bow will you please leave the ED, you did nothing to debate the topic, all you did is make some snide remarks. If you believe the topic is pointless or is flawed it is up to you to explain how it is flawed not make snobby remarks. You post up to now on this thread has failed to reach ED standards.

Ps.. saying "whatever, or so what" is a defensive mechanism used wen you do not have the ability to debate, also not proper for the ED.
So work on your debating skill before stepping back into the thread. I am sorry If I missed most of what he/she had to say to you, but it matters not up till now I have not seen any post from you that is qualified enough for the ED.

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Posted 10/5/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


shirayukiIce wrote:

DomFortress wrote:
If conflicts were to be solved by bickering, the world will be overrun with bickering children brought up by rambling idiots.

This is also why I think the original topic is stupid, when the topic starter doesn't even know the finesse of diplomacy is to defuse actual conflicts that would led of war. For him accusing diplomatic policy of any kind as lies, while he acted out based on his own brand of accusation is a clear indication of he wanting wars.


I wasn't bickering.. I was telling him how stupid he was being.. and he told me he was a troll.. so thats your answer..
And do you have to take it to war.. jeez.. it wasnt that bad..

The topic is about starting a war, it's only natural that I was staying on topic by demonstrating how war gets started; with bias accusations without causes.


welcome to how pretty much every war has always been started in the history of the world


you just trivalized every war to be meaningless,nice one jack ass
Posted 10/5/09

um2456 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


shirayukiIce wrote:

DomFortress wrote:
If conflicts were to be solved by bickering, the world will be overrun with bickering children brought up by rambling idiots.

This is also why I think the original topic is stupid, when the topic starter doesn't even know the finesse of diplomacy is to defuse actual conflicts that would led of war. For him accusing diplomatic policy of any kind as lies, while he acted out based on his own brand of accusation is a clear indication of he wanting wars.


I wasn't bickering.. I was telling him how stupid he was being.. and he told me he was a troll.. so thats your answer..
And do you have to take it to war.. jeez.. it wasnt that bad..

The topic is about starting a war, it's only natural that I was staying on topic by demonstrating how war gets started; with bias accusations without causes.


welcome to how pretty much every war has always been started in the history of the world


you just trivalized every war to be meaningless,nice one jack ass


every war has been meaningless, ww2 would have been prevented if Hitler was killed before coming to power,etc.
Posted 10/5/09

um2456 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


The topic is about starting a war, it's only natural that I was staying on topic by demonstrating how war gets started; with bias accusations without causes.


welcome to how pretty much every war has always been started in the history of the world


you just trivalized every war to be meaningless,nice one jack ass

War is only meaningful to those who like obtaining power through conflicts, or exercising justice through sacrificing other people's lives.

Are those the meanings that you are willing to go into war for, your lust for power and justice through spreading devastation and death?
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Posted 10/5/09 , edited 10/5/09

DomFortress wrote:


um2456 wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


The topic is about starting a war, it's only natural that I was staying on topic by demonstrating how war gets started; with bias accusations without causes.


welcome to how pretty much every war has always been started in the history of the world


you just trivalized every war to be meaningless,nice one jack ass

War is only meaningful to those who like obtaining power through conflicts, or exercising justice through sacrificing other people's lives.

Are those the meanings that you are willing to go into war for, your lust for power and justice through spreading devastation and death?

they fight for their rights,they fight too live their creeds, their love. too them it's worth too fight and die for. is that meaningful jackass
Posted 10/5/09

um2456 wrote:
they fight for their rights,they fight too live their creeds, their love. too them it's worth too fight and die for. is that meaningful jackass

If they got so much to live for, then why can't they understand that their enemies got just as much to live for as them, genius?

And mind your language when you address to me, young one. For I'm starting to take you just as you are conducting yourself as. So show some courtesy where is due.
Posted 10/5/09 , edited 10/5/09
Too much framing in this topic I might as well make paragraphs short.

#1: Framing should be stopped.


Posts must offer significant content. If you have no opinion on something, DON'T post.

And lastly, since this section will most likely include some topics that are sensitive to some people, always respect one another. You don't have to agree, or even like each other, but do NOT ruin some else's thread/discussion with your temper.
- Do0mAid


All these bad attitudes and off topics should end. It isn't getting this thread anywhere when member's post has nothing to do with this thread.

I agreed with SeraphAlford that the United State might not lie about Iraq, Iran, and the weapon of mass destruction. The United State probably have false information about them having nuclear bombs, but maybe not. Most of us do criticized the medias for being too bias, and we end up calling the U.S. government a liar. Its like whenever a leader made a mistake, we take action and gave the leader a bad reputation. Any bad decision/mistake he/she make, and we called the country, "A country with a lieing government."


For example, the king of my home country is sending special ops to assassinate an evil monopolist. The outcome: Evil monopolist died, 2 buildings destroyed, 4 soldiers died, 12 "terrorists" died, and 20 citizen died. How will you respond to the people? Maybe...
- Telling the people that your soldiers killed terrorists and citizens; You confessed, but reputation is bad because of citizen casulties
- Telling the people that your soldiers killed terrorists, but the terrorists killed citizens; Possible bad reputation, good reputation, but the king is lieing.
- Telling the people that your soldiers killed terrorists and did not released any information about citizens being killed; lieing, and any news about the citizens can decrease the king reputation, unless he lied even more.

How do we make this similar for the U.S.? When 911 started, President Bush said we must attack Iraq. What if he planned this? Hes lieing, but how would we know? How would I know that my king ordered special ops to kill terrorists, and accidentally killed citizens?

So whose lieing? I don't know and I don't have time to debate about it just because I got some information from other people. I'm just one of those person who thinks that if my life is going to be killed/death/passed out, then my life is going to end. Interesting how peoples debate about these stuff can debate over countries reputation and how ignorant people can be.

I'm ok if the U.S. mistaken whether or not Iran have a nuclear bomb, but I am not ok with how people are mocking U.S. because I am involved as a U.S. Citizen (Not as an American though).

I agreed with GrandX, I think no one should blame Obama. I "think" Obama is doing his best to negotiate with Iran through diplomacy. I think his goal was to inspect Iran's facilities, but if Iran refused or the U.S. proposal is harsh, then diplomacy would be difficult. + Obama didn't seriously said that Iran have nuclear weapons, because he heard some of it from agencies and some government system. We expect Obama, without any agencies and government system to actually tell us that Iran have a nuclear bomb?

I agreed with CecilTheDarkKnight_234 that.........there's war and there meaningless. Sadly I got nothing to say about. I mean, World War 2 might not happen if we attack Germany for building more troops, or if we assassinate Hitler.

In the other hand, WE might enter World War 3 against the Soviet Union if the diplomacy over nuclear bomb cargo being shipped to Cuba ended badly. I believed we almost entered World War 3 during the Cuba Missile crisis, but the diplomacy has reached; We removed missile from Turkey and the Soviet remove missile from Cuba.

My post show no response to this thread; whether I agreed the U.S. is lieing or not. My response is being neutral and to stay out of the picture, but I want to say that criticism about the US Government lieing has gone too far....but hey people are free to speak anyway.
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